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New UU List (October 2009)
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I hope so, not only because it would be effective lead, but because I'm pretty sure my Floatzel anti-lead would beat it
Why is Jumpluff usage going down? It absolutely rapes setup sweepers such as Mismagius, SubCharge Rotom, SD Feraligatr, etc., as well as most members on a stall team. Show some love for the blue/pink puff. :(
Problem is it's frail ;)
Heck I think even a vacuum wave from Blaziken and an Aqua jet from Feraligatr KO's (Atleast the AJ with 1 SD)
It's "bulkier" than most people think.
Adamant Feraligatr with 1 Swords Dance Aqua Jet against a no HP, no Def neutral nature Jumpluff:
678 Atk vs 176 Def & 291 HP (40 Base Power): 83 - 98 (28.52% - 33.68%)
+nature Blaziken Vacuum Wave against same Jumpluff (no defensive EVs at all):
350 Atk vs 206 Def & 291 HP (40 Base Power): 37 - 44 (12.71% - 15.12%)
With 252 HP EVs, the percentages come out to be 23.45% - 27.68% and 10.45% - 12.43%, respectively.
...75,70, and 85 defenses don't seem bad to me at all for something with 110 speed and the support options it has.
Don't forget the number ten lead, Honchkrow.
Trick Uxie is not an unusual lead (over 21% of Uxie carry Scarf, and I'm willing to bet the % of leads with Scarf is high), and then there's Moltres as you've mentioned. Yanmega (until his banning) will give you issues. Arcanine with Extreme Speed will hurt.
I would expect the number of Spiritomb leads to rise, and maybe even after Yanmega is absent, the usage of Focus Sash Scyther to climb if Zam leads became popular.
Even with STAB and a LifeOrb, I'm still getting 37.11% - 43.64% on a non-defensive Jumpluff on Libelldra.
STAB boost is only 1.5x, not 2x. I think you took Torrent into account too.
Agreed! It's really effective. And not just because i'm biased towards the awesomeness that is Encore.
Dang... Porygon-2 is NU and Umbreon UU...
When will Shoddy be updated? I want to use my Nidoqueen lead in NU and my Alakazam lead in UU!
I'm glad Roserade is now OU it really was hard to beat, plus the T-Spikes ruined my day.
Hey, look, the 'Biitards are complaining again about the fact that Alakazam is UU. That was quick. What next, "PORYGON2 SHULD BEH OH YOU!!!11eleventyeleven!!!1"?
Oh, and that Roserade is supposedly going to be horrible in OU. Apart from the fact that it beats almost every other lead out there which isn't running Lum Berry, and even beats some that do.
Oh, and that Roserade is supposedly going to be horrible in OU. Apart from the fact that it beats almost every other lead out there which isn't running Lum Berry, and even beats some that do.
Well, in OU, yes, but in UU, Porygon 2 is a bit...meh.
I was actually quite surprised that Porygon 2 kept making UU. I'd think OU or NU would be the most likely tiers for Porygon 2 to lie in.
Also, that made me think. If Porygon 2 rises to OU in the January tier lists, and then drops out of OU again in April, would he return to UU or NU? We've never really had a situation like that before. Would he be in NU, because that's the tier he was in previously, or would he go to UU, because that's simply the usage tier that's directly below OU.
Because Zam is a faster Encore:
Alakazam@Focus Sash
252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Def
Inner Focus/Timid
-Psychic
-Counter
-Encore
-Taunt
Perfect Anti-Lead. Counter OHKO's Honchkrow, OHKO's whoever Moltres, Uxie, or Mespirit U-Turn to, etc. Psychic beats any Nido leads and dents anything that doesn't resist it hard. Taunt prevents setup from all other leads (fastest Taunt in UU bar Electrode) and Encore is the reason why, even at 1%, you let him live. He can come in when Missy NPs, when anyone Subs or curses, etc. Then Encore them to render them useless. Such a great poke.
I could've sworn I posted what I said in the September Shoddy stats thread, not this thread...
Alakazam just became UU. Jumpluff had the fastest Encore available beforehand, yet if you check the last few months, its usage steadily went down. Still, Jumpluff has some advantages over Alakazam with Leech Seed, Sleep Powder, and U-Turn, and depending on your team, its typing could prove more beneficial as well.
As things dictate currently, Porygon2 would go to UU if that happens.
and its not spiritomb food which is quickly becoming my favorite uu in this metagame.
Thanks for clearing that up. :) Obviously, this Porygon 2 thing is not a problem really, but I was thinking, if we had, say, 8 usage tiers (if we ever get that far), and a Pokemon jumps from usage tier 5, to OU, in one go, due to a temporary surge in usage, and then drops out of OU again, and returns to its abysmally low levels of usage, it would take over a year before it returns to usage tier 5. Would it be better to let it drop one usage tier at a time, every 3 months, or would it be better to return it to its previous tier, then it'd be allowed in the 5 tiers, and see where it ends up after the three months?
This isn't an issue now, but if we ever do get a lot more usage tiers, we may get situations like that (although probably not to such an enourmous magnitude).
What I said probably doesn't make much sense, and isn't very relevant currently to be honest, but it's something people might want to consider. I think we could survive on the basis that such a situation like the one I mentioned is extremely unlikely to happen, but we never know. And, if we're going to use the NU statistics from the CAP server, we could be on our 4th usage tier by January.
Sucker Punch won't do Honchkrow much good against an Alakazam whose only attacking move is Psychic.