Those moves are meant to revenge kill. A Pokemon is defined to be broken in a tier if it's uncounterable in that tier. Are there any Pokemon in NU that have those priority moves able to "counter" Porygon-Z? Thus, it's insufficient to say these moves would help balance the tier from being swept by Porygon-Z.
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Maybe Venusaur usage goes down now. Psychic form Cresselia still hurts poor Venusaur.
The amonut of Arcanines shall rise, maybe taking Venusaur place. Since it outspeeds Porygon Z and can Toxic or maybe Sunny Blast it's way through Cresselia defenses.
And with that changes Mismagius and Absol are going UP like i said before.
Scyther maybe. It needs to hold Lum Berry more often, this item is amazing on Scyther, letting it grab one more Swords Dance and the like. SD/Aerial Ace/Bug Bite/Baton Pass or Quick Attack and Scyther is ready to go.
The amonut of Arcanines shall rise, maybe taking Venusaur place. Since it outspeeds Porygon Z and can Toxic or maybe Sunny Blast it's way through Cresselia defenses.
And with that changes Mismagius and Absol are going UP like i said before.
Scyther maybe. It needs to hold Lum Berry more often, this item is amazing on Scyther, letting it grab one more Swords Dance and the like. SD/Aerial Ace/Bug Bite/Baton Pass or Quick Attack and Scyther is ready to go.
Fun fact though, Cresselia only needs 12 EVs to always break the Subs of standard SubCM Raikou, so even those with tight EV restrictions elsewhere don't need to go too much out of their way. And even with no defensive investment at all, Cresselia can take two +1 Thunderbolts with health to spare.
What interests me the most is what kind of spread will be most popular on Cresselia: physically defensive, specially defensive or fast Toxic staller / ScreenDancer? It will be interesting to find out.
I never even thought about that. UU now has a viable sleep shifter, although it would be quite heavy set-up bait after something gets put to sleep.
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Sorry, but you really need to lurk more.Arin said:
I doubt Arcanine's usage would rise. It's still unable to counter both Cresselia and Porygon-Z if all it's going to do is Toxic.
I can see Sub CM Cresselia with HP Fighting being popular. Which will also increase the usage of CM Spiritomb. CM Spiritomb would probably gain the most increase in usage. That's my prediction.
@Lemmiwinks MkII, You can tell that I made that definition up. There is no actual definition of a Pokemon being "broken," it is a term we refer to stating that the Pokemon is unfit in it's desginated tier. I doubt Smogon would make a dictionary on definitions of common terms.
Maybe ScreenDancer to help Agility/NP Pory sweep lol. Talking about NP Porygon, here is a +2 Life Orbed Shadow Ball against 252/0 Spiritomb (not factoring Download).
738 Atk vs 252 Def & 304 HP (90 Base Power): 245 - 289 (80.59% - 95.07%).
Pretty shaky, especially if behind screens...
Cress with no honchcrow can be a bit of a problem...
And i can't believe raikou is still UU.
And i can't believe raikou is still UU.
Flare Blitz on Porygon-Z and Toxic on Cresselia(or Sunny Blast like i said on both). That's what i meant to say.
This has fucked over NU, bad. ._.
SD saur has a CHANCE to beat Cress. (I'm assuming you SD on the switch in) +2 Life Orb Jolly Power Whip 2HKOs max HP max Def Cress, but Cress 2HKOs with Psychic. So if you miss once, you're gone. Cress also has the ability to outspeed (216 Speed/Timid (lol)) then it can KO Saur too.
Not only yours x_x. I lost at once Cloyster, Leafeon and Nidoqueen and I can't see how I can rebuilt mine. Oh well, to be honest NU now will be even less popular. It seriously needs some help and now it should have suspects test to ban few things. Or least make list of sweepers a bit smaller, as number of threats teams must face is a bit ridiculous.
I guess you only beat Rest/Sleep Talk Cress (with some luck) or Cresselia without Reflect. And I think most of them will use Reflect to tank even more hits. So unfortunately I don't think it will happen too often.
Sorry about Heracross not coming down, I was too busy testing SubCross :P.
Nevertheless, this round of UU should be interesting. Cresselia may be a good wall but... NP Houndoom.
Nevertheless, this round of UU should be interesting. Cresselia may be a good wall but... NP Houndoom.
And a mix of Moonlight and T-Wave will also lessen the likelyhood of Saur beating Cress. So, yeah, more then likely, Saur loses, but it's possible.
i lost nidoqueen, leafeon, and poliwrath lol
Cresselia....First defensive suspect??? Maybe, but honestly I don't think it's broken.
You have shit like Houndoom, Alakazam, Scyther, Absol, Mismagius, and Umbreon. Cresselia is pretty much set-up bait because all it does is sit there and wall. Thunder Wave can be bypassed by Substitute, and it's Psychics are weak. Most physical sweepers will have trouble with her, sure, but special sweepers just walk all over her. I'm interested to try a fast CM sweeper set though because it seems it would work like Mesprit just slightly weaker but also bulkier. I don't even think stall teams will have a problem with her because they frequently use Haze Milotic or can Encore with Clefable or Jumpluff (yes my stall team uses Jumpluff). Also if you carry Moonlight you're opening up yourself to Toxic.
So yeah, Cresselia is gonna cause a few changes, but broken??? I don't really think so. Only time will tell.
You have shit like Houndoom, Alakazam, Scyther, Absol, Mismagius, and Umbreon. Cresselia is pretty much set-up bait because all it does is sit there and wall. Thunder Wave can be bypassed by Substitute, and it's Psychics are weak. Most physical sweepers will have trouble with her, sure, but special sweepers just walk all over her. I'm interested to try a fast CM sweeper set though because it seems it would work like Mesprit just slightly weaker but also bulkier. I don't even think stall teams will have a problem with her because they frequently use Haze Milotic or can Encore with Clefable or Jumpluff (yes my stall team uses Jumpluff). Also if you carry Moonlight you're opening up yourself to Toxic.
So yeah, Cresselia is gonna cause a few changes, but broken??? I don't really think so. Only time will tell.
I must say I think Cresselia is going to have a gargantuan impact on UU - its huge defenses are only supported by Moonlight, giving it something Uxie doesn't have, and Uxie was already one of the most reliable walls in UU. Uxie still has some advantages like learning U-Turn and Memento, but Cresselia has instant recovery.
Well yeah, but considering that Cresselia looks (to me anyway) like a superior version of Uxie, surely it's going to be a very powerful wall right?Thund91 said: