Discordual is not the only person you need to be worried aboutWooo take that Discordual.
In all seriousness, I'm happy to achieve this and I really enjoy the format still.
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Discordual is not the only person you need to be worried aboutWooo take that Discordual.
In all seriousness, I'm happy to achieve this and I really enjoy the format still.
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Just give them a second instruct as their last mon, but it's a Lucario with riolu statsedit: tough if you get the monofighting 5 mon team lol.
If gen 2 monorandbats can give you solely gengar and misdreavus as a team then I can be ok if someone gets 5 mons due to a lack of type varietyJust give them a second instruct as their last mon, but it's a Lucario with riolu stats
(Or just give them Cake/fart because they can be fighting type)
Thinking about it, 2 instructs would be absolutely broken anyway. Soda break continuously and they can't ever move.If gen 2 monorandbats can give you solely gengar and misdreavus as a team then I can be ok if someone gets 5 mons due to a lack of type variety
If they have a type change modified directly, then they should be directed to their modified types. If they have a type change through an (innate) ability then they will go via their base type.Talking of Cake and Fart, how will you handle pokémon which have different typing than their usual ones (e.g. Will Hydro be allowed on mono-water teams, and will fart only be allowed on steel/grass teams)?
Seconding all of these suggestions, except maybe the Cake one. I actually wish Baleful Blaze and Hydrostatics worked like Kevin, I cannot tell you how many times I've been hit super effectively by one of those when I thought I was immune (losing Quag in particular sucks)Some minor changes that I think would be logical
Triple threat shouldn't restart after 3 uses
Kip Up should endure multi-hits, just like endure itself does
Mad hacks should just increase stats if used during Trick Room
Grim's set should have draco removed/replaced from the movepool (Core Enforcer is almost always better, and doesn't leave you vulnerable to setup)
Ptoad should only gain croak boosts if croak is successful
Inversion Terrain: Pokémon cannot suffer full paralysis
Win condition should be used separately, so you don't magic bounce venoshocks and fire blasts.
Cake: Kevin should go primary type + secondary type effectiveness (So that, for example, fire ghost Kevin acts like baleful blaze and still hits normal types, but ghost fire Kevin will be ineffective against normal types, but cannot be ignored by flash fire)
Rank | Pokemon | Deviations | Winrate | Games | Wins |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Piloswine | 3.159016 | 61.340206% | 194 | 119 |
2 | Yveltal | 2.848259 | 61.5894% | 151 | 93 |
3 | Slaking | 2.756811 | 60.000004% | 190 | 114 |
4 | Spectrier | 2.5872748 | 59.562843% | 183 | 109 |
5 | Mantine | 2.520248 | 59.34066% | 182 | 108 |
6 | Keldeo-Resolute | 2.3048196 | 58.04878% | 205 | 119 |
7 | Garchomp | 2.010283 | 57.216496% | 194 | 111 |
8 | Gengar | 1.7597657 | 56.451614% | 186 | 105 |
9 | Lapras-Gmax | 1.7095767 | 56.353592% | 181 | 102 |
10 | Snom | 1.639783 | 56.11111% | 180 | 101 |
11 | Shaymin | 1.6059098 | 56.14035% | 171 | 96 |
12 | Bisharp | 1.578457 | 55.932205% | 177 | 99 |
13 | Sneasel | 1.5609179 | 55.801105% | 181 | 101 |
14 | Jellicent | 1.5356716 | 55.61497% | 187 | 104 |
15 | Drampa | 1.4667039 | 55.121952% | 205 | 113 |
16 | Aegislash | 1.4599932 | 55.921055% | 152 | 85 |
17 | Dodrio | 1.4359165 | 55.15464% | 194 | 107 |
18 | Pikachu | 1.3887292 | 55.35714% | 168 | 93 |
19 | Zapdos | 1.299038 | 54.6875% | 192 | 105 |
20 | Volcanion | 1.2706388 | 54.7486% | 179 | 98 |
21 | Lotad | 1.2541192 | 54.36893% | 206 | 112 |
22 | Jirachi | 1.2199891 | 54.651165% | 172 | 94 |
23 | Necrozma-Dawn-Wings | 1.1731778 | 54.30108% | 186 | 101 |
24 | Honchkrow | 1.1088322 | 54.098362% | 183 | 99 |
25 | Pangoro | 1.0969089 | 54.010696% | 187 | 101 |
26 | Absol | 1.0741732 | 53.846157% | 195 | 105 |
27 | TapuFini | 1.0375714 | 53.588516% | 209 | 112 |
28 | Celebi | 1.0210559 | 53.723408% | 188 | 101 |
29 | Leafeon | 1.0156671 | 53.68421% | 190 | 102 |
30 | Munchlax | 0.994937 | 53.535355% | 198 | 106 |
31 | Dragapult | 0.9771391 | 53.672314% | 177 | 95 |
32 | Spinda | 0.9406458 | 53.403137% | 191 | 102 |
33 | Kingdra | 0.85280204 | 53.0303% | 198 | 105 |
34 | Hippowdon | 0.7797697 | 52.76382% | 199 | 105 |
35 | Quagsire | 0.77204823 | 52.70936% | 203 | 107 |
36 | Weezing-Galar | 0.7453562 | 52.77778% | 180 | 95 |
37 | Latios | 0.7071057 | 52.499996% | 200 | 105 |
38 | Phantump | 0.67648065 | 52.54237% | 177 | 93 |
39 | Rhydon | 0.6064785 | 52.29885% | 174 | 91 |
40 | Unown | 0.5897676 | 52.173912% | 184 | 96 |
41 | Pichu | 0.57142884 | 52.040817% | 196 | 102 |
42 | Forretress | 0.5547001 | 51.923077% | 208 | 108 |
43 | Glastrier | 0.53846174 | 52.071007% | 169 | 88 |
44 | Lycanroc | 0.51465017 | 51.89189% | 185 | 96 |
45 | Lopunny | 0.47301662 | 51.598175% | 219 | 113 |
46 | Wingull | 0.4601799 | 51.76471% | 170 | 88 |
47 | Zekrom | 0.4472129 | 51.666664% | 180 | 93 |
48 | Gyarados | 0.43077457 | 51.54639% | 194 | 100 |
49 | Azelf | 0.42640156 | 51.515152% | 198 | 102 |
50 | Zygarde | 0.3758221 | 51.412426% | 177 | 91 |
51 | Dragonite | 0.3636972 | 51.322754% | 189 | 97 |
52 | Mimikyu | 0.34421402 | 51.184834% | 211 | 108 |
53 | Venusaur | 0.21707213 | 50.78534% | 191 | 97 |
54 | Stoutland | 0.20952836 | 50.731705% | 205 | 104 |
55 | Lampent | 0.15430325 | 50.595238% | 168 | 85 |
56 | Typhlosion | 0.14907165 | 50.555557% | 180 | 91 |
57 | Hattrem | 0.14586572 | 50.531918% | 188 | 95 |
58 | Grimmsnarl | 0.1450947 | 50.526314% | 190 | 96 |
59 | Camerupt | 0.14433722 | 50.520832% | 192 | 97 |
60 | Mew | 0.14359081 | 50.51546% | 194 | 98 |
61 | Nosepass | 0.076923676 | 50.29586% | 169 | 85 |
62 | Mr.Rime | 0.07647161 | 50.292397% | 171 | 86 |
63 | Jigglypuff | 0.07602843 | 50.289017% | 173 | 87 |
64 | Carbink | 0.07432996 | 50.276245% | 181 | 91 |
65 | Audino | 0.07352174 | 50.27027% | 185 | 93 |
66 | Hoopa | 0 | 50% | 156 | 78 |
67 | Aggron | -0.07881087 | 49.68944% | 161 | 80 |
68 | Mismagius | -0.14990644 | 49.4382% | 178 | 88 |
69 | Naviathan | -0.2280853 | 49.13295% | 173 | 85 |
70 | Cinderace | -0.31046006 | 48.79518% | 166 | 81 |
71 | Toxtricity | -0.31426916 | 48.765434% | 162 | 79 |
72 | Minior | -0.3846154 | 48.52071% | 169 | 82 |
73 | Rayquaza | -0.4082484 | 48.61111% | 216 | 105 |
74 | Ludicolo | -0.4082484 | 48.61111% | 216 | 105 |
75 | Weedle | -0.42008415 | 48.52941% | 204 | 99 |
76 | Lucario | -0.5038713 | 48.186527% | 193 | 93 |
77 | Meloetta | -0.5065027 | 48.167538% | 191 | 92 |
78 | Flygon | -0.56853545 | 47.979797% | 198 | 95 |
79 | Tauros | -0.57142884 | 47.959183% | 196 | 94 |
80 | Runerigus | -0.5834598 | 47.87234% | 188 | 90 |
81 | Garbodor | -0.6412233 | 47.715736% | 197 | 94 |
82 | Palpitoad | -0.66169363 | 47.567566% | 185 | 88 |
83 | Orbeetle | -0.704934 | 47.239265% | 163 | 77 |
84 | Aurorus | -0.7293245 | 47.340427% | 188 | 89 |
85 | Nidoking | -0.7293245 | 47.340427% | 188 | 89 |
86 | Mareanie | -0.7453562 | 47.22222% | 180 | 85 |
87 | Reuniclus | -0.75809866 | 47.126434% | 174 | 82 |
88 | Chandelure | -0.76696515 | 47.058823% | 170 | 80 |
89 | Mewtwo | -0.8001324 | 47.089947% | 189 | 89 |
90 | Duraludon | -0.80439985 | 47.058823% | 187 | 88 |
91 | Froslass | -0.83333313 | 46.52778% | 144 | 67 |
92 | Alcremie | -0.84852815 | 47% | 200 | 94 |
93 | Klefki | -0.9149906 | 46.51163% | 172 | 80 |
94 | Latias | -0.92582047 | 46.42857% | 168 | 78 |
95 | Kartana | -0.96098703 | 46.44809% | 183 | 85 |
96 | Furret | -1.0000005 | 46.42857% | 196 | 91 |
97 | Uxie | -1.0375714 | 46.411484% | 209 | 97 |
98 | Shedinja | -1.0674899 | 45.930233% | 172 | 79 |
99 | Beedrill | -1.0741721 | 46.153847% | 195 | 90 |
100 | Stonjourner | -1.125756 | 46.039604% | 202 | 93 |
101 | Xurkitree | -1.2362456 | 45.754715% | 212 | 97 |
102 | Snorlax | -1.4142135 | 45% | 200 | 90 |
103 | Archeops | -1.4362646 | 44.57143% | 175 | 78 |
104 | Litwick | -1.4961877 | 44.67005% | 197 | 88 |
105 | Cosmog | -1.5075573 | 44.31818% | 176 | 78 |
106 | Shiinotic | -1.519506 | 44.50262% | 191 | 85 |
107 | Pancham | -1.7690766 | 43.98148% | 216 | 95 |
108 | Oricorio-Pom-Pom | -1.8014989 | 42.944786% | 163 | 70 |
109 | Charizard | -1.8407156 | 42.941177% | 170 | 73 |
110 | Volcarona | -1.905158 | 43.51852% | 216 | 94 |
111 | Kirlia | -2.098366 | 42.40838% | 191 | 81 |
112 | Polteageist | -2.1651335 | 42.439026% | 205 | 87 |
113 | Espeon | -2.2741406 | 41.919193% | 198 | 83 |
114 | Roserade | -2.3338392 | 41.489365% | 188 | 78 |
115 | Dunsparce | -2.601529 | 40.331493% | 181 | 73 |
116 | Gardevoir | -2.601529 | 40.331493% | 181 | 73 |
117 | Riolu | -2.6255693 | 40.425533% | 188 | 76 |
118 | Darmanitan-Zen | -2.6506238 | 39.35484% | 155 | 61 |
119 | Gossifleur | -2.7646372 | 40.201004% | 199 | 80 |
120 | Misdreavus | -2.8072813 | 39.896374% | 193 | 77 |
Scyzophoa is essentially just defog, but removes all whole field conditions as well (read: rooms). Tailwind is neither defoggable nor a room so it gets ignored.I've noticed that Scyphozoa doesn't remove Tailwind like it does with every other field effect, is that intentional?
Rank | Pokemon | Deviations | Winrate | Games | Wins |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Slaking | 3.272157 | 63.057327% | 157 | 99 |
2 | Forretress | 2.529823 | 60.000004% | 160 | 96 |
3 | Oricorio-Pom-Pom | 2.4959219 | 60.740738% | 135 | 82 |
4 | Nosepass | 2.366433 | 60.000004% | 140 | 84 |
5 | Latias | 2.3015864 | 59.45946% | 148 | 88 |
6 | Gardevoir | 1.9466571 | 57.894737% | 152 | 88 |
7 | Weedle | 1.7844359 | 57.236843% | 152 | 87 |
8 | Chandelure | 1.7811972 | 57.55396% | 139 | 80 |
9 | Garchomp | 1.7392536 | 56.875004% | 160 | 91 |
10 | Aurorus | 1.6475096 | 57.14286% | 133 | 76 |
11 | Spectrier | 1.5787053 | 56.92308% | 130 | 74 |
12 | Venusaur | 1.5787053 | 56.92308% | 130 | 74 |
13 | Mantine | 1.5105274 | 56.33803% | 142 | 80 |
14 | Gengar | 1.4419214 | 56.11511% | 139 | 78 |
15 | Spinda | 1.2977711 | 55.263157% | 152 | 84 |
16 | Pikachu | 1.2543628 | 55.244755% | 143 | 79 |
17 | Typhlosion | 1.2185439 | 55.303032% | 132 | 73 |
18 | Rhydon | 1.1971301 | 54.77707% | 157 | 86 |
19 | Cinderace | 1.1748538 | 54.929577% | 142 | 78 |
20 | Piloswine | 1.1666665 | 54.86111% | 144 | 79 |
21 | Pichu | 1.0871149 | 54.545456% | 143 | 78 |
22 | Pancham | 1.0441855 | 54.19355% | 155 | 84 |
23 | Mew | 1.007017 | 54.22535% | 142 | 77 |
24 | Mimikyu | 1.0000008 | 53.846157% | 169 | 91 |
25 | Yveltal | 0.98639303 | 54.05405% | 148 | 80 |
26 | Ludicolo | 0.9733295 | 53.947372% | 152 | 82 |
27 | Lapras-Gmax | 0.90115446 | 53.691273% | 149 | 80 |
28 | Unown | 0.8669215 | 53.41615% | 161 | 86 |
29 | Absol | 0.80064064 | 53.205128% | 156 | 83 |
30 | Gyarados | 0.78567386 | 53.08642% | 162 | 86 |
31 | Garbodor | 0.7761512 | 53.01205% | 166 | 88 |
32 | Audino | 0.7745972 | 53.333336% | 135 | 72 |
33 | Wingull | 0.7373077 | 53.02013% | 149 | 79 |
34 | Dragapult | 0.7373077 | 53.02013% | 149 | 79 |
35 | Mewtwo | 0.69109434 | 52.985073% | 134 | 71 |
36 | Litwick | 0.67612356 | 52.857143% | 140 | 74 |
37 | Shaymin | 0.67612356 | 52.857143% | 140 | 74 |
38 | Mismagius | 0.6713453 | 52.816902% | 142 | 75 |
39 | TapuFini | 0.6324546 | 52.499996% | 160 | 84 |
40 | Mareanie | 0.6064785 | 52.29885% | 174 | 91 |
41 | Celebi | 0.5853692 | 52.44755% | 143 | 75 |
42 | Minior | 0.5388156 | 52.419353% | 124 | 65 |
43 | Leafeon | 0.48666382 | 51.973682% | 152 | 79 |
44 | Snorlax | 0.44475013 | 51.648354% | 182 | 94 |
45 | Beedrill | 0.4436778 | 51.968502% | 127 | 66 |
46 | Pangoro | 0.43033162 | 51.851852% | 135 | 70 |
47 | Bisharp | 0.43033162 | 51.851852% | 135 | 70 |
48 | Lampent | 0.42409354 | 51.798557% | 139 | 72 |
49 | Zygarde | 0.39904368 | 51.592358% | 157 | 81 |
50 | Munchlax | 0.31822306 | 51.265823% | 158 | 81 |
51 | Keldeo-Resolute | 0.2683283 | 51.2% | 125 | 64 |
52 | Grimmsnarl | 0.2544565 | 51.079136% | 139 | 71 |
53 | Drampa | 0.24253663 | 50.980396% | 153 | 78 |
54 | Lucario | 0.23076904 | 50.887573% | 169 | 86 |
55 | Azelf | 0.08421531 | 50.35461% | 141 | 71 |
56 | Rayquaza | 0 | 50% | 132 | 66 |
57 | Sneasel | 0 | 50% | 132 | 66 |
58 | Hattrem | -0.08032138 | 49.67742% | 155 | 77 |
59 | Dragonite | -0.08084523 | 49.673203% | 153 | 76 |
60 | Cosmog | -0.081378244 | 49.668877% | 151 | 75 |
61 | Jirachi | -0.08543577 | 49.635036% | 137 | 68 |
62 | Honchkrow | -0.16012813 | 49.358974% | 156 | 77 |
63 | Lopunny | -0.1632987 | 49.333336% | 150 | 74 |
64 | Volcanion | -0.16666718 | 49.305553% | 144 | 71 |
65 | Shiinotic | -0.16783676 | 49.295773% | 142 | 70 |
66 | Mr.Rime | -0.23354898 | 49.09091% | 165 | 81 |
67 | Orbeetle | -0.23942602 | 49.044586% | 157 | 77 |
68 | Nidoking | -0.24096605 | 49.032257% | 155 | 76 |
69 | Jigglypuff | -0.31046006 | 48.79518% | 166 | 81 |
70 | Lotad | -0.31426916 | 48.765434% | 162 | 79 |
71 | Camerupt | -0.33104295 | 48.630135% | 146 | 71 |
72 | Latios | -0.3508228 | 48.46154% | 130 | 63 |
73 | Aegislash | -0.37796426 | 48.214287% | 112 | 54 |
74 | Hoopa | -0.406894 | 48.34437% | 151 | 73 |
75 | Charizard | -0.43355507 | 48.1203% | 133 | 64 |
76 | Hippowdon | -0.5222331 | 47.727272% | 132 | 63 |
77 | Uxie | -0.5222331 | 47.727272% | 132 | 63 |
78 | Carbink | -0.55167705 | 47.826088% | 161 | 77 |
79 | Snom | -0.5813189 | 47.586205% | 145 | 69 |
80 | Dodrio | -0.60246444 | 47.407406% | 135 | 64 |
81 | Furret | -0.6069764 | 47.368423% | 133 | 63 |
82 | Kingdra | -0.617213 | 47.61905% | 168 | 80 |
83 | Toxtricity | -0.6405125 | 47.435898% | 156 | 74 |
84 | Gossifleur | -0.64888513 | 47.368423% | 152 | 72 |
85 | Stoutland | -0.67612356 | 47.142857% | 140 | 66 |
86 | Lycanroc | -0.6963108 | 46.969696% | 132 | 62 |
87 | Meloetta | -0.7006489 | 47.272728% | 165 | 78 |
88 | Naviathan | -0.7689219 | 46.71533% | 137 | 64 |
89 | Flygon | -0.8221782 | 46.927376% | 179 | 84 |
90 | Jellicent | -0.8276055 | 46.575344% | 146 | 68 |
91 | Alcremie | -0.8363137 | 46.820812% | 173 | 81 |
92 | Roserade | -0.89516723 | 46.357616% | 151 | 70 |
93 | Stonjourner | -0.98387027 | 45.6% | 125 | 57 |
94 | Xurkitree | -1.0366421 | 45.52239% | 134 | 61 |
95 | Duraludon | -1.0579246 | 45.695366% | 151 | 69 |
96 | Misdreavus | -1.087114 | 45.454548% | 143 | 65 |
97 | Espeon | -1.0999439 | 45.679012% | 162 | 74 |
98 | Palpitoad | -1.1088322 | 45.901638% | 183 | 84 |
99 | Zapdos | -1.1358157 | 45.038166% | 131 | 59 |
100 | Volcarona | -1.1358157 | 45.038166% | 131 | 59 |
101 | Polteageist | -1.1430947 | 45.333336% | 150 | 68 |
102 | Kartana | -1.2570785 | 45.06173% | 162 | 73 |
103 | Weezing-Galar | -1.2977711 | 44.736843% | 152 | 68 |
104 | Kirlia | -1.2977711 | 44.736843% | 152 | 68 |
105 | Runerigus | -1.3719882 | 44.11765% | 136 | 60 |
106 | Necrozma-Dawn-Wings | -1.3834404 | 44.37086% | 151 | 67 |
107 | Froslass | -1.3926216 | 43.939392% | 132 | 58 |
108 | Tauros | -1.411773 | 44.13793% | 145 | 64 |
109 | Darmanitan-Zen | -1.4524082 | 43.79562% | 137 | 60 |
110 | Zekrom | -1.4631268 | 43.703705% | 135 | 59 |
111 | Aggron | -1.5163655 | 43.949043% | 157 | 69 |
112 | Reuniclus | -1.5261166 | 43.870968% | 155 | 68 |
113 | Dunsparce | -1.5565407 | 43.62416% | 149 | 65 |
114 | Glastrier | -1.6035672 | 42.857143% | 126 | 54 |
115 | Klefki | -1.7962923 | 42.666668% | 150 | 64 |
116 | Riolu | -1.8842334 | 42.28188% | 149 | 63 |
117 | Shedinja | -1.9233565 | 41.958042% | 143 | 60 |
118 | Phantump | -2.5923502 | 39.16084% | 143 | 56 |
119 | Archeops | -2.5997348 | 37.931034% | 116 | 44 |
120 | Quagsire | -2.704895 | 39.240505% | 158 | 62 |
You sure you're not making these up?
Rank Pokemon Deviations Winrate Games Wins 3 Oricorio-Pom-Pom 2.4959219 60.740738% 135 82 118 Phantump -2.5923502 39.16084% 143 56 119 Archeops -2.5997348 37.931034% 116 44 120 Quagsire -2.704895 39.240505% 158 62
I couldnt make these up even if i tried.You sure you're not making these up?
can someone do a tierlist of the best pokemons of ssb?Thread (originally) approved by HoeenHero . OP stolen and updated to ssb4 from Kalalokki .
What is Super Staff Bros?
Super Staff Bros is a seasonal ladder format featuring random teams made up of Pokémon created by the staff members of Pokémon Showdown. But these aren't your standard everyday Pokémon; these Pokémon have custom abilities, moves, and even items that do not exist in standard formats! From dealing massive amounts of damage to the opponent's team on death to even permanently scrambling a Pokemon's moveset, these custom moves, abilities, and items have a wide variety of crazy functions that are sure to keep you on your toes. In addition to their custom attributes, these staffmons are named after the PS staff member they represent and post witty messages on their staff me in battle, and there is no limit to how many Mega Evolutions a side may use. However, Dynamax is still banned because of the massive power creep it places on the metagame despite how much we can try to restrict it. Other than these changes, it's just a normal Pokémon battle; the first trainer to KO their opponent's team wins! How do I learn more about this? There's a super handy article that shows the entire roster available, as well their sets, moves, and everything that is custom made for this metagame! You can also learn about specific staff members by doing /ssb [Staff Member's name] in the Pokemon Showdown server or via the article.
What's this thread for then?
Basically to discuss the metagame in general. We also want to hear from the community about the metagame in general (and if I get around to doing it, a role compendium and/or speed tiers).
[insert mon here] is broken and should be nerfed!!!
Something that QC and I discussed that we will do is mid-release balance patches. If there is an overwhelming, unanimous cry that certain pokemon are too good or suck a lot we will evaluate those mons and potentially nerf/buff them to even the playing field a bit better.
Tough luck. We finished the metagame, so changes to any sets are EXTREMELY unlikely.
Hope you'll have fun playing, as we put a lot of heart and soul into this! :]