Format Discussion Super Staff Bros 4 Discussion Thread

[Friar Laurence]

Maybe it's just me but I feel like the drampa's grandpa change might actually be a buff if the opponent doesn't have a lot of mons that can 2HKO it, cause now he can spam Get Off My Lawn repeatedly and phaze spam/slack off when a non-threat comes in, making it a lot harder to get in a mon that can take him out, whereas if he switches out, it gives you a chance to predict his next switch and either catch him with a check or put a check out first to dissuade him from coming in. The other changes are all good, though I'm not sure if the HoeenHero change will be enough to make a big difference since it still has Swift Swim, but at least it means that if you do manage to survive and kill it its teammates won't have as big of an advantage.

 

[Theia]

Alright, back down to F tier I go. It was a good run in E tier.

Poor Nol. He didn't need a nerf at all.

She, please.

I respect the decisions of QC regarding my mon, and appreciate the hard work of everyone on the project to make this possible.

also I will pay you in SwSh shiny Pokemon for replays of my mon sweeping

 

[HiZo]

Alright, back down to F tier I go. It was a good run in E tier.



She, please.

I respect the decisions of QC regarding my mon, and appreciate the hard work of everyone on the project to make this possible.

Actually this was bc mad hacks was supposed to be -7 when I was implementing TR into it. I just forgot to code it in lmao.

 

[Friar Laurence]

Also just noticed, c kil the winrate champ's not getting nerfed after all lol. Also rip kipkluif's buff.

 

[Discordual]

Also just noticed, c kil the winrate champ's not getting nerfed after all lol. Also rip kipkluif's buff.

And Instruct decided he needed a nerf at 78th

 

[Discordual]

Bugs:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1297653599
Status guard reduces damage from special Gigavolt Havoc (Turn 6)


https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1300241226
Degenerator is blown away by Turbulence (Turn 26)

 

[Friar Laurence]

Actually, I think one change to Immortal that I'd want would be to replace Freeze Dry with another ice move. Boltbeam is already solid coverage, it really doesn't also need to be able to 4x hit the few water/ground types we have, which are one of the only mons that would otherwise reliably counter it.

 

[ISuspectNothing]

That does not seem right balance-wise, one good prediction on the switchin, and swept the opponent without any set-up: https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen8superstaffbros4-1302409841

Generally I encounter way too many situations where one pokemon just sweeps the other team, it seems like there are simply too few defensive mons or good revenge-killers that are capable of halting a sweep.

 

[Discordual]

That does not seem right balance-wise, one good prediction on the switchin, and swept the opponent without any set-up: https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen8superstaffbros4-1302409841

Generally I encounter way too many situations where one pokemon just sweeps the other team, it seems like there are simply too few defensive mons or good revenge-killers that are capable of halting a sweep.

That's a battle link, not a replay

 

[HiZo]

Generally I encounter way too many situations where one pokemon just sweeps the other team, it seems like there are simply too few defensive mons or good revenge-killers that are capable of halting a sweep.

SSB team generation is very shallow, as it only rejects pokemon once the team has 3 weaknesses in a certain type, and the rejected pokemon also has a weakness to it as well. Trying to get as inclusive of a format where everyone appears close to the same amount is a higher priority than better team generation. So yeah, so times you get bad RNG and get curb stomped, it just happens. If you want better team generation play something else lol.

 

[deftinwolf]

Wait did I get nerfed? I thought I had a pretty balanced mon :c

 

[HiZo]

Wait did I get nerfed? I thought I had a pretty balanced mon :c

No. Ur safe,

for now,,,,,

 

[deftinwolf]

No. Ur safe,

for now,,,,,

 

[Discordual]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1303480460

Wait did I get nerfed? I thought I had a pretty balanced mon :c

This is why you're number 1 on the win rates


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I'm pretty proud of this.

 

[i want a lamp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1303480460

This is why you're number 1 on the win rates


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I'm pretty proud of this.

Damn you go king

 

[Discordual]

:(

 

[Friar Laurence]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1304419846

I bring you one last bit of nightmare fuel before the next balance changes go live.

 

[HiZo]

Due to excessive complaints about the uncompetitiveness of the current format. Hoeen and I are going to be greenlighting Super Staff Bros 4 Wii U: A more competitive version of the existing Super Staff Bros. This format will be more balanced and skillful compared to the wackiness of the current metagame. We hope you check it out soon!

 

[Enderevilherobrine]

Hoeen and I are going to be greenlighting Super Staff Bros 4 Wii U: A more competitive version of the existing Super Staff Bros. This format will be more balanced and skillful compared to the wackiness of the current metagame.

What's the difference between the two?

 

[HiZo]

What's the difference between the two?

Wii U is more tailored to people who want SSB4 more balanced than it already is now

 

[UT]

Will SSB4 be kept up for those of us who enjoy the tier?

 

[HiZo]

Will SSB4 be kept up for those of us who enjoy the tier?

Yes

 

[Friar Laurence]

Is the latest round of changes going to be implemented in Wii U or the original?

 

[HiZo]

Is the latest round of changes going to be implemented in Wii U or the original?

both

 

[Discordual]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8superstaffbros4-1307088440
Interesting interaction with sticky hold and ingredient foraging. You can steal the eviolite, but only on the turn you kill ptoad. (Turns 13 and 14)