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np: UU - Can't Touch This
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If the max damage is 70%, then that's never an OHKO with just one layer of Spikes and SR. At least two are needed to have a chance.
And I am from the UK too, in fact quite a few people here are. It's not that uncommon.
And I am from the UK too, in fact quite a few people here are. It's not that uncommon.
If you are going to be using choice specs adaptability porygon-z, why not try choice band giga impact slaking? The power would be near the same, recharge and truant coincide, slaking is faster and it's pretty damn hard to OHKO slaking (150 base hp...) while slaking pulls a respectable 67.1-79.3% on cress and pretty much OHKOes everything else not resistant/immune to giga impact.
Yeah, it's better to use Tri Attack twice, then Hyper Beam and a recharge turn.
Tri Attack (80 BP x 2)
Hyper Beam (150 BP)
Choice Specs Tri Attack is setup-fodder for Mismagius and Rotom. And Choice Band Spiritomb can nail it with Pursuit on the switch. At that point, it is easy picking for anything with a priority move. And without a Scarf, it can be revenge killed easily. Swellow always OHKOs with Guts-boosted Facade. Unboosted Psychic from Timid Alakazam does over 80%. Jolly Scyther's unboosted Aerial Ace does over 70%, while Brick Break does over 80%. The Morning Glory Arcanine set always OHKOs with Flare Blitz. Unboosted Timid Houndoom's Fire Blast always OHKOs after Stealth Rock damage. Choice Scarf Hitmonlee's Close Combat absolutely annihilates it, and Band Hitmonlee's Mach Punch will usually OHKO after Stealth Rock. Technitop's Mach Punch will OHKO more often than not, and always will after Stealth Rock or Fake Out. Absol's Sucker Punch does over 70%. Specs Tri Attack can only 3HKO Aggron, while Head Smash obliterates Porygon-Z. Registeel is 3HKO-4HKO'd and can set up Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, or Explode back. So, as you can see, Specs Porygon-Z is not as broken as it seems.
No it doesn't. You recharge on the same turn as you loaf around.
This is correct. Downside if however, when Slaking is loafing around you can switch him out. When he must recharge you cannot.
You're not just spammming Hyper Beam for god's sake; you'll be using Tri Attack too, as PZ is a great lategame cleaner when faster pokés have been removed, OHKOing shitloads of slower pokés. Slaking simply can't do that. The power between these two attacks might be somewhat equivalent (even though PZ still wins, and by far), but this is not a case in which you're using one move solely.
However, Slaking's the perfect revenge killer; slap a Scarf on it, kill the Pokemon that's been troubling you (not hard with that 150 base attack) and switch out of Truant. It also has a pretty huge movepool: Return/Double-edge, Giga Impact, Elemental Punches, Earthquake and Shadow Claw can OHKO/2HKO the whole tier, and it also gets Pursuit to pick on escaping foes.
And it still gives the opponent a free turn no matter what you do. Shitloads of bulk aren't going to help when you're giving its main counters a perfect chance to setup. Moveset wise, Tri Attack > Return; Hyper Beam > Giga Impact; Thunderbolt > Thunderpunch; Ice Beam > Ice Punch; Dark Pulse > Shadow Claw. Earthquake and Pursuit? Ok, Porygon doesn't have that, but Slaking doesn't have 11 moveslots as well.
Finally, once again, I mention: Porygon is not obliged to lose a turn whenever it attacks, it might just fire another Tri Attack or whatever attack is wishes if that's the case. That's what sets him apart from Slaking, and that's what makes Slaking an NU pokémon. Oh, and what of those attacks OHKO Spiritomb? Wondering because you said Slaking OHKOes the whole tier.
Finally, once again, I mention: Porygon is not obliged to lose a turn whenever it attacks, it might just fire another Tri Attack or whatever attack is wishes if that's the case. That's what sets him apart from Slaking, and that's what makes Slaking an NU pokémon. Oh, and what of those attacks OHKO Spiritomb? Wondering because you said Slaking OHKOes the whole tier.
Slaking isn't meant to be a late-game sweeper like PZ, it's either a wall-breaker with CB or a revenge killer with Scarf. With Slaking, you don't have to stay in the Truant turn. After a revenge kill, it does scream for set-up though, I admit. You can still come in later and do the job, though.
And I ask again, is 10 more base speed and more bulk worth the headache of providing your opponent with free turns all the time and relinquish what could be a great and more efficient lategame sweeper (and maybe even a better revenge killer, due to the possibility of actually 2HKOing the things it's supposed to and bearing a better offensive stat when factoring Adaptability). I'm not relegating Slaking to the forever-forgotten-pokés class, but as long as Porygon-Z is around, I see no notable advantages (and even if it isn't, I honestly still don't...).
Spiritomb is exempt from my statement because it is sort of immune to giga impact(and return) is it not?
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