Is there a reason Garchomp is better in Gen 9 Natdex than in the standard OU format?
garchomp gets access to z move which is the main set to my knowledge (sd plus z = big damage)Is there a reason Garchomp is better in Gen 9 Natdex than in the standard OU format?
Also they're different metagames, garchomp being able to check threats like charizard-y handily as well as heavily punishing mlop with rough skin give it notable niches when compared to ouIs there a reason Garchomp is better in Gen 9 Natdex than in the standard OU format?
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Since consistency across tiers is being mentioned here, i should add that monotype banned both quick claw and focus band (both in sv, which is an official tier, and in natdex) - the general answer to your question is simply because luck items are generally a very controversial topic, and as a consequence tiering policy around them isn't really well defined, even in official tiers.Why is quick claw legal in SVOU but not natdex? I feel in general "luck items" have been poorly handled in the past and some consistency across tiers would be nice given that its original ban was justified as a "policy review" item rather than a specific tiering action. On the other hand Luck items such as Focus Band (10% chance to live any hit) are still legal in natdex. Is there any reason why quick claw is banworthy in natdex but not SVOU other than "I don't like it and it adds nothing to the tier" which realistically is a terrible reason since lots of things are legal that add nothing to the tier.
To follow up, is there any chance of a focus band ban here? Considering it would fall under the same category as most other already banned luck items (Ik ur not council but as the official unofficial ndou tier leader you have some influence with them for sure)Since consistency across tiers is being mentioned here, i should add that monotype banned both quick claw and focus band (both in sv, which is an official tier, and in natdex) - the general answer to your question is simply because luck items are generally a very controversial topic, and as a consequence tiering policy around them isn't really well defined, even in official tiers.
Up to them, but there hasn't been any discussions about this currently so it's very unlikely it happens in the immediate future.To follow up, is there any chance of a focus band ban here? Considering it would fall under the same category as most other already banned luck items (Ik ur not council but as the official unofficial ndou tier leader you have some influence with them for sure)
Unless there is a significant push from natdex formats playerbases, a pr thread is very unlikely to happen, especially since universal tms are not a topic brought up often at all in the first place and thus doesn't seem to be generally a concern.Is there any way that policy in terms of the Identity of National Dex can change in the future? One of the aspects of National Dex that's always put me off personally is the way that Near-Universal TM's are not learnable by any future Pokemon. While this mainly talks about Hidden Power being unlearnable by Gen 8 and 9 Pokemon, there's also Toxic which is considered a near-universal TM before Gen 8.
The concept of near-universal TM's has always been around since gen 1, with specific Pokemon marked as exceptions, being unable to learn TM's in general. TM-less Pokemon continue to be a thing into Gen 8 and 9, with Blipbug and Applin being specifically designed to not aquire these otherwise universal TM's.
Generally my question is would a Policy Review thread for something like this be on the table? Since the metagame revolves around bringing Pokemon from after Gen 7 into the game, this would imply that they'd be able to learn these universal TM's as well unless they're designated as Pokemon that cannot learn TM's.
Near Universal Moves in gen 7 that have the status revoked in further generations are the following:
- Confide
- Double Team
- Frustration
- Hidden Power
- Return
- Swagger
- Toxic
what is the justification for these. u said it for urself its "near-universal" not universal, what reasoning / precedent would u use to justify giving these mons these moves? whos to say they arent also the exceptions you mentioned prior. it would be an incredibly arbitrary decision that wouldnt make any sense to include, especially since then you open up the rabbithole for other move discussions, like why cant this pokemon learn this egg move from this yada yadaIs there any way that policy in terms of the Identity of National Dex can change in the future? One of the aspects of National Dex that's always put me off personally is the way that Near-Universal TM's are not learnable by any future Pokemon. While this mainly talks about Hidden Power being unlearnable by Gen 8 and 9 Pokemon, there's also Toxic which is considered a near-universal TM before Gen 8.
The concept of near-universal TM's has always been around since gen 1, with specific Pokemon marked as exceptions, being unable to learn TM's in general. TM-less Pokemon continue to be a thing into Gen 8 and 9, with Blipbug and Applin being specifically designed to not aquire these otherwise universal TM's.
Generally my question is would a Policy Review thread for something like this be on the table? Since the metagame revolves around bringing Pokemon from after Gen 7 into the game, this would imply that they'd be able to learn these universal TM's as well unless they're designated as Pokemon that cannot learn TM's.
Near Universal Moves in gen 7 that have the status revoked in further generations are the following:
- Confide
- Double Team
- Frustration
- Hidden Power
- Return
- Swagger
- Toxic
This pet is very strong, has a long speed, most of them can shoot nails first, and the attack is also good.Small question for the council: is the unban of Deoxys-S a possible option for the beginning of this next generation? Far from thinking that it's a perfectly healthy mon, but it should still be noted that its too efficient suicide lead profile is unique among Ubers. That's not counting the potential revenge killer sets with a Z-Crystal.
Always banned in previous generations by a suspect test alongside his defensive counterpart (last time at the start of XY), it's rarely been seen in action in a metagame where Defog is much more distributed, where Rapid Spin is buffed and where Boots are ubiquitous. Alongside the traditional convenience unbans (Genesect, Landorus-I or Pheromosa), is this an option on the table?
It lacks longlevity, imo it's got a lot of the same issues tusk has, but it also has a worse typing and offensive stats when compared to it, 9 times out of 10 you're better off running tusk as a hazard control option, due to its higher bulk and stronger offensive presence. Treads was ranked in the past IIRC because it had a semi-usable suicide lead set, but it's since fallen out of favor due to more consistent options being preferred over tread's small niche of being able to set rocks on mdia and hatt.Why is Iron Treads unranked? I fought this mon a few times during my sus run and found it mad annoying on its own, making it more difficult to click the moves I wanted to with the likes of Lele, Raging Bolt, Tapu Koko, and Arch, spinning away hazards pretty easily, and being annoying with some Z-move sets (the main one I saw was Icium Z though Groundium Z seems decent too). 106 is also a nasty speed tier, getting the jump on a lot of key mons like Garchomp, Zard Y, Lele, Crown, Lando-T, etc. Surely it has enough tools to scrounge up a C-Rank niche at minimum.
Piggybacking off of 15's comment, its poor longevity makes it a shaky check into even things like Bolt/Lele as if it doesn't run investment, it gets overwhelmed too quickly. But if it runs investment, then it lacks damage output and makes it rather easy to take advantage of. It's a poor spinner actually with how common and excellent Ferrothorn is, being unable to keep rocks/spikes off vs it and risking even more chip between leech seed and rocky helmet chip on top of iron barbs. You could maybe justify a tiny ranking just for its technically existing niche on rain teams, but even then those slots are already crowded and there are pokemon you can slot in to fill similar defensive roles that are also better.Why is Iron Treads unranked? I fought this mon a few times during my sus run and found it mad annoying on its own, making it more difficult to click the moves I wanted to with the likes of Lele, Raging Bolt, Tapu Koko, and Arch, spinning away hazards pretty easily, and being annoying with some Z-move sets (the main one I saw was Icium Z though Groundium Z seems decent too). 106 is also a nasty speed tier, getting the jump on a lot of key mons like Garchomp, Zard Y, Lele, Crown, Lando-T, etc. Surely it has enough tools to scrounge up a C-Rank niche at minimum.
Rocks weakness, unreliability in breaking, no real defensive niche besides checking heatran, horrible typing, and as such can’t set up if you ever wanted to use dd/hclawsWhat are the reasons Mega Aerodactyl doesn't have some sort of niche in NatDex OU?