Has anybody theorycrafted a rain HO? Obviously GSC is pretty fat but pineco + explosion offense with rain dance kingdra + supporting waters/rain dancers seems pretty good.
Rain Teams are actually a fairly good and reliable strategy.The main abusers for rain are Seadra,Chinchou and Elekid offensively and defensively Pineco is now able to eat a Rapidash Fire Blast and Explode back on it and.For supporters Wigglytuff is a good Rain Setter as is Seadra itself as it can start nuking shit right off the batHas anybody theorycrafted a rain HO? Obviously GSC is pretty fat but pineco + explosion offense with rain dance kingdra + supporting waters/rain dancers seems pretty good.
I did, I tested a Rain team like CentaurMM6's with Seadra + Chinchou + Dragonair against Earthworm (no Octillery though), and it completely fell flat against RestTalk Chinchou. Plenty of NU teams run that, so it seems like a very bad idea to bank on not running into Chinchou. Especially with HP Electric on Seadra & Octillery over HP Grass.Has anybody theorycrafted a rain HO? Obviously GSC is pretty fat but pineco + explosion offense with rain dance kingdra + supporting waters/rain dancers seems pretty good.
Any thoughts on using Gastly or Cubone in the tier?
For reference after a SD Cubone can OHKO Xatu with Rockslide or a Guaranteed 2HKO without. Meanwhile Xatu has a 79.7% to 2HKO with psychic. If you can switch in on the rest, or when Xatu is at sub-50%, you have a solid chance to beat Xatu with Cubone.
Woah using the sticky duck in gen 2 as a passer? What would you be able to set up against? Even Pineco can just explode on the pass and wreak Cubone.View attachment 249072
Cubone is actually the best Baton Pass recipent in the tier.Nothing is able to defeat a Cubone with Plus 2 speed and attack.Aside from Baton Pass Cubone still has sky high attack and I’ve used it as a slow wall breaker for Pokémon like Graveler and Sudowoodo.Just like JoltWack is in OU,FatchedBone is in NU
Woah using the sticky duck in gen 2 as a passer? What would you be able to set up against? Even Pineco can just explode on the pass and wreak Cubone.
What about Ariados? It is a bit bulkier, or is the weakness to fire types too risky? Also would Fetch try to pass a single agility or 2? What about Agility and a SD?View attachment 249222Fetched tens to set up against Grass types in particular because of Subsitute.For example Parasect might Spore/Switch our giving you a few good opportunities to get boosts.Also it can use Substitute to avoid being destroyed by Pineco and letting Cubone take it freely.Also parlysed or freshly rested Pokémon are good setup opportunities for Farfetched
Ariados is another good baton passer however it trades being able to pass Swords Dance and Subsitute for passing Spider Webs making to more of a fringe pick imo.The nasty fire weakness really doesn’t help either.Also about the Agility twice thing only do it if you can and if the opponent has a Dugtrio as it is the only Pokémon that outspeds a +2 Cubone.Swords Dancing with Farfetched is also not as mandatory because you just pass a Sub and let Cubone do the Swords DancingWhat about Ariados? It is a bit bulkier, or is the weakness to fire types too risky? Also would Fetch try to pass a single agility or 2? What about Agility and a SD?
Interesting. I assumed that Cubone would still get outspeed due to its shit speed stat of 35 but I guess the generation and meta are slow enough. Dugtrio outspeeds by only 2 after an agility boost xDAriados is another good baton passer however it trades being able to pass Swords Dance and Subsitute for passing Spider Webs making to more of a fringe pick imo.The nasty fire weakness really doesn’t help either.Also about the Agility twice thing only do it if you can and if the opponent has a Dugtrio as it is the only Pokémon that outspeds a +2 Cubone.Swords Dancing with Farfetched is also not as mandatory because you just pass a Sub and let Cubone do the Swords Dancing
Rapidash is a big threat to that team from the lead slot.It beats Fetched,Gastly and Flareon in a 1on1 because of Hypnosis and Double Edge.I actually recommend replacing Pineco with Dugtrio to help with Rapidash and to have just another good offensive Pokémon because Xatu,Flareon and Dugtrio is a strong offensive core(Outside of Dewgong).Dewgong is another threat to that team. I suggest a Chinchou instead of Gastly,It deals with Rapidash very well thanks to ReatTalk being its best set and covers up your water type weakness pretty well.Aside from that the team looks pretty goodSo I’m thinking of a team with Xatu, Flareon, Pineco, Farfetch’d, Cubone, and Gastly. Any suggestions or things I should look out for?
Octillery is a good bet, though I could also see Magmar or Lickitung working. Another option is BD Poliwhirl and dropping either EQ or hypnosis for surf so it can benefit from growth passes.So I've played a couple of games with this Baton Pass team. I had Cubone as the 6th, but I don't like it. It doesn't do enough on its own and needs too much support. I'm not really familiar enough or good enough with the tier to say if this team is good or not, but I think a good wall breaker would be really good for this team. Bulky mons give it some trouble and I think a wall breaker in the last spot would be great. I'm thinking Octillery, but I have no idea. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Looks like quite a solid lineup, thanks for sharing. I like the Exeggcute set as I really hadn't considered running Synthesis over Explosion before. It should make for a good Primeape check. There were Rest + Explosion sets in the previous meta for stalling Raichu though.For the third time in this thread, I will share another team Ive had great succes with in the this amazing tier. https://pokepast.es/606feadc21b8a783 is the PokePaste if you want to use it
The archetype of this team is stall and thanks to the Fire-Water-Grass core it forces switch alot letting Spikes laid by Pineco take affect. Ninetales is the bulky fire of the team, thanks to its excellent special walling abilities it sits on staples such as Flareon and Magmar and slowly wears them down with Toxic while Resting any damage dealt to it. Exeggcute is on the team to handle two Pokemon, Dugtrio and Primape who are problematic to this team. Exeggcute can also just be annoying in general thanks Leech Seed and Syntesis keeping it healthy. Chinchou is there to beat opposing Water and Fire types and is a able to a check to Xatu and Fearow. Pineco is the Spiker and Spinner of the team and is a soft check to Primape and Dugtrio like Exeggcute and Pineco has offensive pressure thanks to Explosion. Sudowoodo is the normal resistance and lead of the team thanks to its ability to beat the omnipresent Rapidash leads and can slowly boost its self up with Curse making it a valuable member of the team. Finally Xatu is the sole offensive mon of the tier and is the counter to Weezing who is quite strong vs the other teamembers