Seismic Toss cant be equipped.
This is false.
The Ting Lu most likely had Payback, any equipped move that needs to do a multiplication returns 0BP if the move you are using on your move slots has no original value (BP -), like Heavy Slam.
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what is that iron treads set youre using, looks quite fun
ponchlake
cult of personality cult leader
Iron Treads @ Rapid Spin
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Defense Curl
- Rollout
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
It's something like this. The exact moves might not be the same, but you're just mainly going to be clicking Rollout + Defense Curl anyways. It's a twist on the usual Rollout Forte you see people use.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9fortemons-1820378150
Annihilape @ ragefist
Ability: Inner Focus
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Beat Up
- Drain Punch
- Shadow Claw
- Bulk Up
Beatup has got to go. You should not be able to effortlessly click a move and get free kills like this. A move that starts out at 300 BP and effectively increases by 300 BP everytime you get hit is far too unhealthy for any meta.
Annihilape @ ragefist
Ability: Inner Focus
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Beat Up
- Drain Punch
- Shadow Claw
- Bulk Up
Beatup has got to go. You should not be able to effortlessly click a move and get free kills like this. A move that starts out at 300 BP and effectively increases by 300 BP everytime you get hit is far too unhealthy for any meta.
Yeah, that's the set exactly but I recently changed the defense curl out. It did not double the damage of rollout.
Flinch moves are banned from the item slot, according to the original post. Roaring Moon has other decent options though.
With Dragon Breath (or Body Slam, same effect) in the item slot, every attack gets a 30% chance of paralysis. If all 5 Scale Shots hit, that’s like 83%. Crunch in the item slot gives every attack a 20% chance to drop defense. A bulky set could make decent use of Breaking Swipe, making all its moves lower the opponent’s attack.
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I ran a couple demonic sets on the ladder yesterday, thought I’d share them.
Toxapex @ Infestation
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Unknown
EVs: probably SpDef
probably Calm Nature
- Recover
- Toxic
- Chilling Water
- Protect
It’s very annoying to deal with and it’s a good defensive option even when it’s not trying to trap something. Chilling Water lets it beat things it has no business beating.
Swalot @ Body Press
Ability: Liquid Ooze
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: Probably SpDef
probably Calm Nature
- Acid Armor
- Ice Beam
- Sludge Bomb
- Earthquake, I think
Not necessarily an amazing set but it threw me off guard because wtf is a Swalot supposed to do? Turns out it does Body Press stuff. A few unique aspects are its decent typing (better than Avalugg and Torkoal anyway), good coverage options, and access to Liquid Ooze to shut down healing item slots like Giga Drain. Speaking of which, I’d use Ice Beam / EQ / Giga Drain on this since I don’t recall my opponent’s set having other recovery options.
And a few more sets I thought of:
Brute Bonnet @ Trailblaze
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fighting / Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Seed
- Crunch
- Close Combat
- Filler
Lyncanroc-Dusk @ Crush Claw
Ability: Tough Claws
Tera Type: Rock / Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- *Rock Blast*
- Close Combat
- Accelerock
- Drill Run / Swords Dance
Lokix @ Trailblaze
Ability: Tinted Lens
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- First Impression
- Throat Chop
- Leech Life
- Axe Kick
Toxtricity @ Trailblaze / Acid Spray
Ability: Punk Rock
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Boomburst
- Overdrive
- Sludge Bomb
- Snarl / Drain Punch
Hey, one of them looks offly familiar.... Where have I seen it?
oh right my team https://pokepast.es/6c96da1dd3ba8422
I thought Skeledirge was a Pokemon worth looking in with good SpA, bulk in general and great ability so decided to use it with Hex (Item) Draga+Toxic Debris Glimm.
So I really wanted to make both a rain and snow team but neither of them are good in any capacity. If you like either, use it, but be warned it's garbage lol.
Rain: https://pokepast.es/429e865ec810100e
I will be completely honest and say that Amoonguss and Bronzong, which mind you I put there for defense, turn out to be your most reliable damage dealers. Bronzong in particular because it's t h i c c. to be fair I kind of put offensive sets on both of them, but they're still annoying to deal with nonetheless, and pretty damn bulky.
Snow: https://pokepast.es/0de18f9eae541a85
This team is even worse, but Dozo hits pretty hard with or without rain which is nice. Swalot is there for any over-eager Giga Drain spammers. Beartic is strong but needs snow up. Abomasnow is painfully strong, but like, it's Abomasnow. It's not exactly the fastest nor bulkiest thing in the world. Blizzard OHKO's standard Glimmora, Ice Shard is pretty strong priority, and Giga Drain is some recovery. And yet, after all this, it gets completely walled by anything Steel type. :|
If I had to pick one I like more I'd say Snow, just because it's more fun, but Rain is better in a general sense. If you try these teams have fun tanking your elo lol.
Rain: https://pokepast.es/429e865ec810100e
I will be completely honest and say that Amoonguss and Bronzong, which mind you I put there for defense, turn out to be your most reliable damage dealers. Bronzong in particular because it's t h i c c. to be fair I kind of put offensive sets on both of them, but they're still annoying to deal with nonetheless, and pretty damn bulky.
Snow: https://pokepast.es/0de18f9eae541a85
This team is even worse, but Dozo hits pretty hard with or without rain which is nice. Swalot is there for any over-eager Giga Drain spammers. Beartic is strong but needs snow up. Abomasnow is painfully strong, but like, it's Abomasnow. It's not exactly the fastest nor bulkiest thing in the world. Blizzard OHKO's standard Glimmora, Ice Shard is pretty strong priority, and Giga Drain is some recovery. And yet, after all this, it gets completely walled by anything Steel type. :|
If I had to pick one I like more I'd say Snow, just because it's more fun, but Rain is better in a general sense. If you try these teams have fun tanking your elo lol.
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itemized freeze moves with moveslot multihit is a crime
this game was the luckiest i've been in a while https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9fortemons-1821604438-xbn7z2vp9apptkr91lzaj9lciwdglofpw
this game was the luckiest i've been in a while https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9fortemons-1821604438-xbn7z2vp9apptkr91lzaj9lciwdglofpw
Please please please please please ban Azumarill. Or Draining Kiss as an item, or something, because this is ridiculous. It is so painfully easy to set up, so painfully difficult to stop it from setting up, and so painfully easy to sweep and/or get swept. I've played 4 games in a row that all ended within 12 turns with literally just Azumarill.
ponchlake
cult of personality cult leader
Hello all, we're back with what is likely our last ban slate before HOME (knock on wood). We took your answers from the survey into account, so thank you to everyone who took the time to voice your thoughts. Here are the results..
Dragonite, Azumarill, Annihilape, and Beat Up are Banned. Freeze, Flail, and Heavy Slam are restricted. Weavile is unbanned.
As previously stated, we based a lot of the voting slate on how you all responded on the survey. We added Heavy Slam and Flail due to the responses we've been given as well. A lot of the bans are fairly self-explanatory, so I will speed right through it. Annihilape is Annihilape. Azumarill with Draining Kiss was able to get off Belly Drums too easily and sweep as a result. Dragonite with Tera Blast (Flying) became too oppressive of an offensive threat with Extreme Speed + physical Draco Meteor. Beat Up is the most consistent form of multi-hit in the game, allowing you to abuse secondary effects too easily. Heavy Slam and Flail are banned for consistency reasons similar to Reversal and Low Kick/Grass Knot. Freeze is banned for its cheese potential. The freeze ban will encompass all of: Blizzard, Freeze-Dry, Freezing Glare, Ice Beam, Ice Fang, Ice Punch, Powder Snow, Tri Attack. We will also be unbanning Weavile due to it losing virtually everything it abused in the past.
Kris hi, it's us again.. implement pls
Dragonite, Azumarill, Annihilape, and Beat Up are Banned. Freeze, Flail, and Heavy Slam are restricted. Weavile is unbanned.
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| Dragonite | Ban | Ban | Ban | Ban | Banned |
| Azumarill | Ban | Ban | Ban | Ban | Banned |
| Annihilape | Ban | Ban | Ban | Ban | Banned |
| Beat Up | Ban | Ban | Ban | Ban | Banned |
| Freeze | Restrict | Restrict | Restrict | Restrict | Restricted |
| Heavy Slam | Restrict | Restrict | Abstain | Restrict | Restricted |
| Flail | Restrict | Restrict | Restrict | Restrict | Restricted |
As previously stated, we based a lot of the voting slate on how you all responded on the survey. We added Heavy Slam and Flail due to the responses we've been given as well. A lot of the bans are fairly self-explanatory, so I will speed right through it. Annihilape is Annihilape. Azumarill with Draining Kiss was able to get off Belly Drums too easily and sweep as a result. Dragonite with Tera Blast (Flying) became too oppressive of an offensive threat with Extreme Speed + physical Draco Meteor. Beat Up is the most consistent form of multi-hit in the game, allowing you to abuse secondary effects too easily. Heavy Slam and Flail are banned for consistency reasons similar to Reversal and Low Kick/Grass Knot. Freeze is banned for its cheese potential. The freeze ban will encompass all of: Blizzard, Freeze-Dry, Freezing Glare, Ice Beam, Ice Fang, Ice Punch, Powder Snow, Tri Attack. We will also be unbanning Weavile due to it losing virtually everything it abused in the past.
Kris hi, it's us again.. implement pls
I feel like tera blast dnite is easily walled by anything that resists flying, and I have never really had problems with it either, so I think it's not as broken as it might be, and even meteor is easily blocked by any rock/steel type with decent def
maybe its just me running rock and steel types tho :L
maybe its just me running rock and steel types tho :L
Baxcalibur @ freezedry
Ability: Thermal Exchange
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 68 Def / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Glaive Rush
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Dragon Dance
Well with freeze banned thats a rip to freeze dry bax
The blue rabbit and ghost ape are finally gone
The days of being effortlessly swept are over!
And with flail gone tsareena may just lose all viability
So I will share a potential replacement to the former anti-priority sweeper
Farigiraf @ Charge Beam
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Trailblaze
- Twin Beam
- Hyper Voice
- Dazzling Gleam
2 Trailblazes can increase farigiraf's speed to become impossible to outspeed, with the bonus of potentially increasing special attack as well
Beatup can't be used anymore to get to +6 special attack but twin beam can sometimes still get the job done
The days of being effortlessly swept are over!
And with flail gone tsareena may just lose all viability
So I will share a potential replacement to the former anti-priority sweeper
Farigiraf @ Charge Beam
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Trailblaze
- Twin Beam
- Hyper Voice
- Dazzling Gleam
2 Trailblazes can increase farigiraf's speed to become impossible to outspeed, with the bonus of potentially increasing special attack as well
Beatup can't be used anymore to get to +6 special attack but twin beam can sometimes still get the job done
unless i am just absolutely tripping, reversal has not been banned- although given that it's the same move as flail it probably should be
ponchlake
cult of personality cult leader
Reversal was banned already.
It's likely this that explains why you've been having an easier time with it. I would have liked to have given it more time, but ultimately I think that we would have banned Dragonite eventually. The meta adapting to run Corviknight/Garganacl, etc. with Body Press Item to check Dragonite was my ideal scenario, but nothing really stopped you from running those things + Dragonite to abuse since it was basically a one man army. That also doesn't take into account other potential meta developments like people running Magnezone + Dragonite. Though that's just theorymonning. There was an overwhelming amount of responses calling for tiering action on Dragonite, so we voted on it.
Dragapult @ Tera Blast
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Darts
- Draco Meteor
- Sucker Punch
Dragonite v2. It’s about 7% weaker but Ghost STAB is easy to spam and it still has priority in Sucker Punch.
252+ Atk Tera Ghost Dragapult Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 158-186 (51.9 - 61.1%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Tera Flying Dragonite Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 170-202 (55.9 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Darts
- Draco Meteor
- Sucker Punch
Dragonite v2. It’s about 7% weaker but Ghost STAB is easy to spam and it still has priority in Sucker Punch.
252+ Atk Tera Ghost Dragapult Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 158-186 (51.9 - 61.1%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Tera Flying Dragonite Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 170-202 (55.9 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
damn rip my
Iron Thorns @ Heavy Slam
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Pin Missile
- Rock Blast
- Thunder Punch (Filler)
Iron Hands @ Heavy Slam
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Fake Out
- Arm Thrust
- Filler
I mean, there's still Heat Crash Coalossal if you wanna use it for some reason
If y’all thought Draining Kiss Azu was a problem
Iron Hands @ Drain Punch
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
-Close Combat
-Wild Charge
-Belly Drum
-Earthquake/Ice Punch
50% to Hands is a problem, but with +6 Attack and DP recovery your getting a lot of longevity back
Also with Dnite banned you can’t use Dragon Tail in the item slot and Extreme Speed
Iron Hands @ Drain Punch
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
-Close Combat
-Wild Charge
-Belly Drum
-Earthquake/Ice Punch
50% to Hands is a problem, but with +6 Attack and DP recovery your getting a lot of longevity back
Also with Dnite banned you can’t use Dragon Tail in the item slot and Extreme Speed
ponchlake
cult of personality cult leader
Azumarill had a much better defensive typing + Aqua Jet. Draining Kiss also heals a lot more than Drain Punch does, so while this may be good, I don't think it'll reach anywhere near Azumarill levels of broken.If y’all thought Draining Kiss Azu was a problem
Iron Hands @ Drain Punch
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
-Close Combat
-Wild Charge
-Belly Drum
-Earthquake/Ice Punch
50% to Hands is a problem, but with +6 Attack and DP recovery your getting a lot of longevity back
Also with Dnite banned you can’t use Dragon Tail in the item slot and Extreme Speed
Dragon Tail would still make Extreme Speed -4 priority.
To be fair, iron hands does have bullet punch and could possibly tera steel to gain stab
I do agree that it won't be as bad as azumarill though
Iron Hands does NOT have Bullet Punch.
to not make this a one-liner, here's a surprising mon that works really well in the meta
Gholdengo @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Make It Rain
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Psyshock
Yes this is a mostly standard Gholdengo set, but it is the fastest mon in the meta outside of opposing scarfers or anything with + speed. It can pick up surprise KO's on anything from Glimmora lead to Dragapult thinking it can pick up a KO