A few remarks after the update...
1. I feel Xern's and Ygod's ranking is not properly reflected. If you take a look at the rank A+, you see that it consists of Xern, Marsh, M-gar, Megamence and Zygarde-C. I know that Xern is at the top but I think that doesn't reflect Xern's rank properly. It is way better than all of those.I know that Dusk Mane and Pdon are ubiquitous but do they really check Xern that good?
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Hidden Power Ground vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon-Primal: 224-264 (55.5 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon-Primal: 223-263 (55.3 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Defensive Pdon can't switch in at all. Xerneas always carries either HP Ground or Focus Blast...
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 288-339 (70 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Max attack Pdon never OHKO's Xern, not even after Stealth Rock.
So the point here is that Xerneas will, most of the time, beat Pdon 1v1 because no good player will let Xerneas take damage prior to Geomancy'ing and will always exploit chances to execute a free Geomancy. And most impotantly, Pdon is quite easy to whittle down to the range of either HP Ground or Focus Blast.
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 196-231 (49.2 - 58%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Dusk Mane can't swich in to Focus Blast. Although it limits Xeneas way more than Pdon, no good player will Geomancy if a healthy Dusk is on the other side. Xern players can effectively circumvent around defensive Dusk with Pdon/Ygod/M-Gar. All of those are paired a lot with Xern and are extremely viable.
Offensive variants are not too bulky and will never be able to switch to Xern.
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 211-249 (62.9 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Hidden Power Ground vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 202-238 (60.2 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 269-317 (80.2 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
So the conclusion is that nothing can switch into Geo-Xern except the rare Assault Vest/Shuca Berry Mage or Dusk. This extreme limitation to teambuiling that Xerneas brings should warrant it a spot higher than A+
I get the fact that S rank would be too much. So my suggestion is to make an S- rank just like in OU and put both Xern and Ygod in it (Ygod at the top) because Ygod is not at the level of Dusk-mane. Defensive variants are pretty passive for an S mon and offensive variants are too frial. If you look at Dusk-mane's offensive set, it is right away more threathening than Ygod's and defensively Dusk's just stunning. Dusk and Ygod shouldn't be the same rank.
So Ygod and Xern to S-
Think about it...
2. Agree with the Darkceus rise.
3. Agree with the MMY rise. A lot more threathening than all of the mons in its rank
4. Agree with the Mega-Diancie drop. It's just not good in Ubers.
5. Agree with the Lando-T drop. Heavily outclassed by Zy in everything it does.
1. I feel Xern's and Ygod's ranking is not properly reflected. If you take a look at the rank A+, you see that it consists of Xern, Marsh, M-gar, Megamence and Zygarde-C. I know that Xern is at the top but I think that doesn't reflect Xern's rank properly. It is way better than all of those.I know that Dusk Mane and Pdon are ubiquitous but do they really check Xern that good?
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Hidden Power Ground vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon-Primal: 224-264 (55.5 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon-Primal: 223-263 (55.3 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Defensive Pdon can't switch in at all. Xerneas always carries either HP Ground or Focus Blast...
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 288-339 (70 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Max attack Pdon never OHKO's Xern, not even after Stealth Rock.
So the point here is that Xerneas will, most of the time, beat Pdon 1v1 because no good player will let Xerneas take damage prior to Geomancy'ing and will always exploit chances to execute a free Geomancy. And most impotantly, Pdon is quite easy to whittle down to the range of either HP Ground or Focus Blast.
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 196-231 (49.2 - 58%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Dusk Mane can't swich in to Focus Blast. Although it limits Xeneas way more than Pdon, no good player will Geomancy if a healthy Dusk is on the other side. Xern players can effectively circumvent around defensive Dusk with Pdon/Ygod/M-Gar. All of those are paired a lot with Xern and are extremely viable.
Offensive variants are not too bulky and will never be able to switch to Xern.
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 211-249 (62.9 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Hidden Power Ground vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 202-238 (60.2 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 269-317 (80.2 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
So the conclusion is that nothing can switch into Geo-Xern except the rare Assault Vest/Shuca Berry Mage or Dusk. This extreme limitation to teambuiling that Xerneas brings should warrant it a spot higher than A+
I get the fact that S rank would be too much. So my suggestion is to make an S- rank just like in OU and put both Xern and Ygod in it (Ygod at the top) because Ygod is not at the level of Dusk-mane. Defensive variants are pretty passive for an S mon and offensive variants are too frial. If you look at Dusk-mane's offensive set, it is right away more threathening than Ygod's and defensively Dusk's just stunning. Dusk and Ygod shouldn't be the same rank.
So Ygod and Xern to S-
Think about it...
2. Agree with the Darkceus rise.
3. Agree with the MMY rise. A lot more threathening than all of the mons in its rank
4. Agree with the Mega-Diancie drop. It's just not good in Ubers.
5. Agree with the Lando-T drop. Heavily outclassed by Zy in everything it does.
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