Pretty hot.Not that far.
- Yes.
- Viable, yes, but thoroughly obsolete.
- Starf, Kee or Lum Berry would be the most beneficial.
- Cloyster can OHKO non-Assault Vest Melmetal with Weather Ball.
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Sun is very niche, although I think also pretty unexplored, there are some interesting techs that can be used in sun.
One for example is scarf or life orb synthesis
with solar blade. kart itself is obviously not niche, but people do forget solar blade is a thing.
solar blade:vs -1 Def
Leaf Blade 83.1 - 98.3%
Solar Blade 115.4 - 136.1%
vs
Leaf Blade 37.5 - 44.4%
Solar Blade 52 - 61.5%
vs uninvested
(rain)Leaf Blade 33.6 - 39.5%
Solar Blade 46.4 - 54.8%
vs
Leaf Blade 95.3 - 112.4%
Solar Blade 132.7 - 156.2%
Pretty ridiculous imo and also eases prediction a lot. ofc you don't need to drop leaf blade for it, you can run solar blade instead of smart strike
This also forms a decent grass spam core with venusaur with ep+wball to smack every steel type around.
Speaking of Venu, the only other chlorophyll user id consider is
because it's great against pult between knock and potentially sucker punch, which also helps against opposing mons in rain like skewda or toad. It also has wball and heat wave for consistent fire coverage outside of sun. Venu is better in every other aspect though, 99.9% of the time just use Venu.
has weather ball, base 105 spatk and earth power, which means you can use lando as a slow pivot that can lure some steel types and chip opposing lando with sun boosted wballs while still retaining damage with its ground stab.Chad
is pretty busted as a sun abuser with choice band it 2hkos everything that isn't immune and it dies not caring about the lives he takes.Other than these things, I got nothing.
Okay, first of all, when I woke up this morning, I was not expecting so many answers. Thank you, I really appreciate it.
By volatile, I'm guessing you mean wild and unpredictable? Yeah. Exeggutor-A being unviable is pretty sad, to me at least, since Harvest does sound pretty good on paper, but I guess you're right. It's incredibly gimmicky and destroyed by Pult. Speaking of Pult, I've never heard of Pult ripping Sun teams apart before, since Sun isn't talked about/used much, but that's good to know.
Mandi is cool. Probably my go-to Dark on my teams, considering 2 of OU's Darks have been falling in usage lately (you know which 2) and all 3 of OU's Darks are super-weak to Fighting. As for sun abusers, they look pretty cool. I'm particularly excited to try Specs Volc and Band Darm. Thanks!
Sorry I didn't say much, Red Raven already explained more in-depth about the matter, but of course, I still greatly appreciate the help
SpA Lando is weird, even though it has a higher base SpA than Pult, but yeah I mean considering Sun is already off-meta why not just go all the way?
Chad 
Thanks!
Did you google that? Petele obviously was too lazy to, I can relate.
By volatile, I'm guessing you mean wild and unpredictable? Yeah. Exeggutor-A being unviable is pretty sad, to me at least, since Harvest does sound pretty good on paper, but I guess you're right. It's incredibly gimmicky and destroyed by Pult. Speaking of Pult, I've never heard of Pult ripping Sun teams apart before, since Sun isn't talked about/used much, but that's good to know.
Mandi is cool. Probably my go-to Dark on my teams, considering 2 of OU's Darks have been falling in usage lately (you know which 2) and all 3 of OU's Darks are super-weak to Fighting. As for sun abusers, they look pretty cool. I'm particularly excited to try Specs Volc and Band Darm. Thanks!
Cloyster can OHKO Melm? That's pretty cool, I didn't know that, thanks!
Sorry I didn't say much, Red Raven already explained more in-depth about the matter, but of course, I still greatly appreciate the help
SB Kart looks broken lmao. Venusaur is definitely better (albeit Shiftry is cool, one of the first ever mons I caught)Sun is very niche, although I think also pretty unexplored, there are some interesting techs that can be used in sun.
One for example is scarf or life orb synthesis
vs -1 Def
Leaf Blade 83.1 - 98.3%
Solar Blade 115.4 - 136.1%
vs
Leaf Blade 37.5 - 44.4%
Solar Blade 52 - 61.5%
vs uninvested
Leaf Blade 33.6 - 39.5%
Solar Blade 46.4 - 54.8%
vs
Leaf Blade 95.3 - 112.4%
Solar Blade 132.7 - 156.2%
Pretty ridiculous imo and also eases prediction a lot. ofc you don't need to drop leaf blade for it, you can run solar blade instead of smart strike
This also forms a decent grass spam core with venusaur with ep+wball to smack every steel type around.
Speaking of Venu, the only other chlorophyll user id consider is
Chad
Other than these things, I got nothing.
SpA Lando is weird, even though it has a higher base SpA than Pult, but yeah I mean considering Sun is already off-meta why not just go all the way?
Chad
Thanks!
Usually more PDef than not, but it depends on team and if you have other Pokemon to cover various special attackers.
I'm no expert at Showdown, but Pinkacross used Goltres on a Psyspam team that is definitely not a HO, so that answers your first question. I'll let some OU experts answer the rest
generally speaking, it fits on HO teams best by far
I think it technically can, but only theoretically. it has some good defensive utility against grasses and ghosts and has under-utilized tools such as U-turn, which is very valuable for balance teams. However, it is heavily crippled by a lack of Roost: if moltres-g had roost it could potentially fullfill a defensive niche akin to what mandibuzz used to do, but with more offensive prowess and without defog. without roost, moltres is forced to play on more offensive teams due to its defensive utility being effectively usable once or twice at best. due to this, you are much better off using gmolt with all-out, almost all or nothing boosting sets on heavily offensive oriented teams. it's sad, really. I wish we could use an actually threatening version of mandibuzz as a ghost resist. why gf decided not to give roost to the galar birds is beyond my comprehension.
the best i can think of for moltres galar on balance teams is some hdb set with fiery dance, uturn and two out of hurricane, nasty plot and taunt, but that's highly suboptimal. np taunt sets have no longevity to be used successfully without some kind of wish support, which isn't very usable in this generation
Bulky Steel-types (Melmetal, Ferrothorn, Heatran), Rock-types (Nihilego, Tyranitar), Choice Scarf users faster than Arctozolt in hail (Kartana, Tapu Lele, Urshifu) tend to be the main issues.
I sort of already touched on this topic on an earlier reply so I'll just quote it to you. I briefly explained the main forms of support that specs volc needs, with some examples.
Hopefully it answers your question
You may also find some inspiration here:Depending on the set, you will have different possible teammates, but there are a few things you want either way to support Volcanion
- Pivots that give Volcanion entry against bulky Steel and/or bulky Ground types
- Speed control / cleaners that appreciates pressure being put on special walls and/or bulky waters
- Stealth Rock to help it wallbreak / pick up kos
- Reliable defensive counterplay for fast Electric and Ground types
mons that fit one or more of these criteria are lando-t, torn-t, tapu koko, weavile, ferrothorn, garchomp, clefable, zapdos,...
also specs volcanion can be a good rain abuser since it spams powerful water stabs without fearing ferrothorn, tapu fini and toxapex thanks to flamethrower, sludge wave and earth power, respectively
Volcanion @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest or Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Steam Eruption
- Flamethrower
- Earth Power
- Sludge Wave
choice specs volcanion has nuclear power by itself but needs a good Defogger by its side to do its job properly, without getting worn down quickly by rocks
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...nion-submissions.3660737/page-37#post-9112105
Red Raven
I COULD BE BANNED!
Anything that can get rid of Blissey and Galarian Slowking would make for great partners since they can scout out what moves you lock yourself into. Mons like Corviknight, Tornadus and Zapdos are also great partners since they can remove stealth rock and have a switch move to bring you in
However, I personally think Pelipper is Volcanion's best partner. With rain up, its rain boosted stab specs steam eruption two shots even Blissey. Torkoal is also another great partner since it does the same but this time on fire blast.. You do have to be careful about fire blast accuracy which is why I think Pelipper is the superior choice
Are suicide leads still viable for HO?
Red Raven
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Yes and just about every hyper offense teams have a suicide lead. Atm, I think that the best one is Mew since it can learn both rocks and spikes and is almost impossible to kill in one shot
Definitely. I'm not much of an HO player, but having a suicide lead like Excadrill or Mew to set up hazards before
Is there a particular spread?
Mew @ Red Card
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Flare Blitz
Excadrill @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Tomb
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock
Tapu Koko @ Light Clay
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- U-turn
- Taunt