Wouldn’t Speed Boost cause more problems with Imposter?
And with spectral thief they also steal your speed boost, instead with unburden they cannot steal your boostWouldn’t Speed Boost cause more problems with Imposter?
They likely won’t survive to steal my boosts unless they use it the turn I use Belly Drum.And with spectral thief they also steal your speed boost, instead with unburden they cannot steal your boost
This is correct. You can get Huge Power by Mega Evolution with Mawile and Medicham, but it really isn't that great because you don't get to hold an item and the sets are generally predictable. Things like base forme Simple with Shell Smash or Shift Gear might pick up some kills from time to time, but are generally outclassed by other physical attackers. MMX is just better than Medicham and Mawile now faces stiff competition with Zacian-C.Is this right or it's a bug?
this would be true in gen7, when fishbeak and psysurge didnt exist. in the current meta, mons like arceus water had to run fc to avoid the 2hko from strong attacks such as banded strong jaw greninja in rain, which opens up the opportunity for the gren user to use smash and brute force the opposing team after some chip on arc-water. similarly, prank is used to combat smash usually, but they cant afford to switch into fishbeak without fur coat. even max def zygod gets ohko'd by gren in rain (860 bp as seen above). another factor is psysurge, which was never unbanned along with smash, (gen8 smash banned then psysurge unbanned, gen7 psysurge banned), which limits revenge-killing counterplay, and thats with dynamax banned too, which was often used defensively to tank a hit and revenge kill a smashed mon, back when it wasnt banned.I’ve played mons for years and the whole time my favorite move has been smash. There have been dark times in my life, but being able to go play pokemans with my 6 shell smash mons has always got me through it. I am so happy for the chance to defend this move, think about it, there is no way that it is broken. This one time I used unaware spiritomb against a guy with smash mewtwo and his photon geyser was totally useless and I won that battle. I’m pretty sure this is ironclad evidence that smash can in fact be walled and people simply aren’t creative enough. People might get mad at me when I say they aren’t creative, but it’s true! I see uturn all the time which is clearly much more broken than allowing my 6 mons toKio-Ken x2smash on pretty much any turn they want. What u guys don’t see is that smash allows things to be balanced. Like Thanos said “perfectly balanced, as all things should be.” If we ban smash then we will have to name the tier unbalanced hackmons or stall mons, because smash is the only single offensive move in the game and getting rid of it will get rid of any prospect of a skillful offensive team. In conclusion, smash is pretty much the least bannable move and I’m shocked you would even bring that up.
Actually, I beat the elite 4 with spiritomb, and it is well know that the STRONGEST champion, Cynthia, runs spiritomb and not mega-sableye, negating your argument.spiritomb is just unviable and outclassed by mega sableye, which also isnt that great
This is what I mean when I say people aren't creative, maybe if you replaced uturn on every mon with topsy turvy or spectral thief and perfectly predicted every boost this wouldnt happen.another thing is, due to how easy one can fit smash into a random attacker, it's basically mandantory to bring at least one smash check on your walls or your team can easily get swept/ heavily dented by the attacker, which opens up the opportunity for a second smasher to clean up.
that's why smash spam is so good right now. if they get the prank matchup right (smash mmx vs prank registeel), they can easily run through your team without much skill and worrying.
Maybe ur just salty I beat you with a level 1 BELLSPROUT and want to ban smash because it will make your life easierlast but not least, a lot of 'unviable' mons can become 'viable' due to smash, as it gives them immediate power to threaten teams which they originally don't have. i don't think this is a good way to 'diversify' the metagame, it just increases the already large number of threats we need to account for when teambuilding.
While I have the highest respect for the pokemon mega metagross and have creatively incorporated him into many of my teams, his views are simply untenable and at odds with simple logic. Please don't allow smash to be banned. Thank you.all in all, smash is undoubtedly over-centralizing and unhealthy for this metagame and should be banned. thank you for reading my trash talk
I have considered this in the past, but what I am aiming for is NDBH. As the OP says, this is only a "pet mod" in name, but is treated like any other metagame where no mechanics are altered and any uncompetitive/unbalanced aspects of the metagame are banned outright. I'm even thinking about having this moved to the National Dex forum instead because that's where it fits better.Just a random shower thought, but I think it’s pretty crucial to this metagame.
What I’m thinking is, MBH is a Pet Mod, not an OM. Therefore when dealing with a potentially broken aspect, instead of posing a suspect test or ban, it’s our responsibility, as the community, to try to make balanced submissions to change that broken aspect and make it fit healthily into the meta. Imo, only the Pokemon that is the hardest to balance, such as Shedinja, should be banned.
From my past albeit short experience in Pet Mods, there are no real ‘bans’ in any mods. Remember the premise of MBH v1? ‘This will be a Pet Mod where moves, mons, items, and abilities will be modified in an effort to create a more diversified Balanced Hackmons.’ Although MBH v2 has become Natdex BH and the diversification aspect no longer applies, modifying mons and moves can still apply to create a ‘Balanced’ Hackmons. So, instead of suspecting Shell Smash, we can try to make nerfed (why did autocorrect give better) versions of the move, to make it balanced in the meta while retaining its unique aspect of an incredibly powerful set-up move.
For example, Shell Smash can be modified to only boost speed by one stage. It potentially opens up more revenge-killing options to make it less broken. Well, this is definitely not the best modification, but that’s where the community part of a Pet Mod comes in, to provide more submissions and vote for the best one, so that we can all enjoy the meta the most. I believe that ALL current bans should be re-modified so that we can achieve what makes this meta a Pet Mod.
Realistically though, the MBH Open is about to start and this may not be a good time to make submissions/ change the meta. Here’s what I’m proposing: Keep the suspect going, and if it’s banned at last, it would be added to the list of mons/ moves/ abilities to be modified, with the suspect voters potentially having double votes for submissions they favor. The submissions would take place after the tournament had finished.
I know that this ‘mod’ is only created because it was rejected as an OM and people as OM players would likely favor bans over modifications, but I don’t think this ‘mod’ should be an exception to other mods as a non-modified meta. All in all, I strongly believe that modifying bans would be the best and correct way to develop a balanced meta. Let me know your thoughts on this suggestion. Thank you for reading my ted talk.