Doubles UU

[CorruptedOmega]

lmao y isn't Bronzong ranked.

Unranked-->2

Arguably, Bronzong has the best typing in the tier. It is one of the few mons that can wall the powerful H.A.R.M. core. Its great set of resistances combined with its good defensive stats make it quite a prominent threat. Its downfalls are its weakness to ever present Fire-types and its rather shallow movepool.

On a different note, what's a good set for Scarf Victini? V-create, Final Gambit, and U-turn are all necessities, but what should be used in the last slot? Are 252 Speed EVs and a Jolly Nature absolutely necessary to outspeed Scarf Genesect? Also, are 252 HP EVs absolutely necessary to OHKO other base 100 HP mythical legendaries? I left my set below.

Victini Set

Victini @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- V-create
- Zen Headbutt
- Final Gambit
- U-turn

 

[talkingtree]

Bolt Strike is great to hit Milotic, but Zen Headbutt also works as a fourth slot. I typically just run max atk / max speed and assume that final gambit is more of a last ditch than something I need to EV for.

 

[kdalskslsd]

Thought I might post a good hail team we can build around, since there is no hail teams on the thread yet. This one is built around abomasnow/kyurem/milotic. Its actually rly good and has peaked 1st. Give it a try.

BTW I would also like to nominate Genesect to tier 1. I mean, it is a steel, it is the best scarfer in the tier. Against fires it just u-turns out. It has possible priority with e-speed, or clutch wins with explosion. Good stabs, so many coverage options, can go physical, special, or mixed, very good in any kinds of weather, hyper offense, goodstuffs, theres just so much opportunity for this pokemon and not many flaws. Also beats abomasnow.

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Abomasnow-Mega @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Ice Shard
- Protect

Kyurem @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Blizzard
- Draco Meteor
- Earth Power
- Focus Blast

Milotic @ Life Orb
Ability: Competitive
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Protect

Hitmontop (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Atk / 60 Def / 60 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Wide Guard
- Feint

Victini @ Life Orb
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- V-create
- Zen Headbutt
- Bolt Strike
- Protect

Genesect @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Download
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Iron Head
- U-turn
- Explosion
- Flamethrower

explanations

Abomasnow is the standard "let's shit on everything" abomasnow. Kyurem is a great scarfer with great coverage, and has good synergy with abomasnow. I find this pokemon doing the most work in my battles.
Milotic covers my weakness to fire types as it is the best bulky water in the tier. I am loving offensive fast milotic as it destroys other people's hopes and dreams.
I have a weakness to fighting types, so i need a resist and counter. LO Victini does this job well, since it is a psychic. It is also the best fire type rn, in my opinion as it kills enemy abomasnow and probably the pokemon you are thinking of right now as well with v-create. Scarf victini is good as well but i already have 2 scarfers, which is already abnormally high.
Hitmontop is a good utility pokemon that has fake out, which alone is good. It has intimidate, which is good. It has wide guard, which is good. Feint is good too. Hitmontop provides good support against rock types, which threaten this team. Hariyama can also do this job just fine since it has all the above utility except intimidate and feint, which won't kill you.
Genesect is my second scarfer and I love it. My team is hella slow so having 2 fast scarfers kinda makes up for it. U-turn is good stab and keeps the momentum going. Iron head for stab and flinch for life. Explosion for clutch wins (it has happened. My opponent once cried). Flamethrower to burn opposing genesect to ashes (they never see it coming). This pokemon can have 6 different viable movepools and is so versatile, so USE IT.

 

[Silverwhiteblue]

since our duu samples arnt numerous, and both do not include trick room, which is rather a succesfull playstyle in the tier, im submiting my duu trick room team.

what mostly stands out, besides the pink fluffiness, is mostly its unusual members like granbull, dragalge(ish) and slowbro-mega.it uses trick room, with good intimidate/fake out, has heavily offensive memebers, and isnt hard to use once you adapt to its members oddness.

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Slowbro @ Slowbronite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Calm Mind
- Slack Off
- Protect
- Scald

Dragalge @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Draco Meteor
- Sludge Bomb
- Focus Blast
- Hydro Pump

Cofagrigus @ Leftovers
Ability: Mummy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Will-O-Wisp
- Shadow Ball
- Protect

Aromatisse @ Leftovers
Ability: Aroma Veil
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Protect
- Heal Pulse
- Moonblast

Hariyama @ Life Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Protect

Granbull @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Play Rough
- Fire Punch
- Close Combat
- Protect

explanation

after studying slowbro-mega, i actually found its stats to be quite impressive, and definitely saw potential in making it work in duu, in a trick room team. i already submitted to why it should be at least tier 2, but guess it didn't make it. the set i use isn't particularly benchmarked, but it makes you live most hits in the tier outside of seriously strong s/e ones like a genesect bug buzz with download, etc.. while it does not carry its own trick room, and only attacks with scald, its heavily tanky, and can become a serious win-con after just 2 cms, not to mention draw double targets on its own, which it negates with a slack off at times. the team supports slowbro mega really well, as hariyama fakes out and buys cms + absorbs status, giving the team a big room to breathe, alongside its good attack, which bops steel types, something the team seriously appreciates. aromatiss trick rooms and heal pulses along with aroma veil, which removes taunt risks, and its special attack isnt even bad, so cheers. dragalge either nukes something with its specs or at the very least draws grass and resists electrics. cofarigus makes slowbro a top physical tank, especially after a will-o, and trick rooms. mummy helps slowbro since they lose their ability which comes in handy, granbull intimidates similarly, and adds a decently strong physical attacker. granbull also ironically helps vs steels, as it ccs somewhat frail-ish ones, and beats excadrill with fire punch (saved me many times) taking it up by surprise.

this team struggles vs steel types generally, and maybe genesect, but otherwise i don't really see a striking weakness to the team with even taunt somewhat covered. drawbacks are its general type match up orientations, which can be extreemist, as 3 dark counters with 2 dark weaks, with a general weakness to steel types that isn't patched up too much (especially when hariyama is down). its also not too impressive regarding coverage, with very limited (but surprise factor worthy) non stab moves, such as hydro pump dragalge and fire punch granbull.

a worthy note would be considering hp fire on dragalge as there are times i wish i had it. hope to see this as a sample soon :)

 

[kdalskslsd]

Here's a fun team I decided to make with pokemon you dont normally see that often. I didn't expect it to be great or anything but it ended up being cash, going to first place on an alt.

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loch ness faker (Milotic) @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpA
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Protect

ITS A PLANE!!! (Latias-Mega) @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 136 HP / 252 SpA / 120 Spe
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Calm Mind
- Protect

Tokyo Police Squad (Genesect) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Download
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Lonely Nature
- U-turn
- Iron Head
- Explosion
- Flamethrower

mew-one (Mew) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Super Fang
- Transform
- Tailwind

hot monkey dick (Infernape) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Fake Out
- Encore
- Overheat
- Close Combat

real loch ness (Serperior) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Protect

 

[Stratos]

QUICK DROPS

new mega tiering policy is causing some mons to quick drop. these are:

Kangaskhan
Charizard
Diancie
Gardevoir
Mawile
Mega Charizard X

their megas are all banned of course

Metagross, somehow, didn't drop. fuck the ladder. i predict that diancie will be good until gross inevitably falls. gardevoir may be good too

 

[kdalskslsd]

xzern put the new sample teams on the op, at least the best ones. They will be easier to access

 

[xzern]

i added a tr team that i think represents the meta well. a hailroom team would be nice too

also out of all of the drops, the only one that seems remotely usable is diancie. it looks like a neat setter to take on fire types for abomasnow. maybe charizard too as a sun attacker :O
i'm thinking diancie could quickly go to tier 1.5. thoughts on this and other current placements?

 

[kdalskslsd]

I agree with diancie. Diamond storm will be a great spread move and will change the meta. Hail is in trouble. I think this also backs up my nom for genesect to tier 1. Also I posted a hail team earlier, just not hailroom. Hail rn is rly prominent and I think you should add that team. I edited it so that the importable and explanations are separate, since they were together before.

Also I am gonna make a hailroom team with diancie. I feel inspired.

Edit: I can't use diancie for some reason

 

[Stratos]

i missed this one earlier somehow:

Charizard X is UU now lol

also im tryna get these drops implemented atm so

 

[xzern]

Update: Doubles now has teambuilder representation!!!

This means that its a lot easier to build duu teams, as the pokemon that cant be used in duu are removed from the options when "doubles uu" is selected as the format in the teambuilder.

The drops still havent been implemented, but we can still discuss them in the meantime. Charizard x looks like an especially scary drop. It's a fire type that doesnt directly lose to water types, so it might be pretty hard to counter. Charx might even be broken due to its sheer power. The nerf of rain cores (mega swampert rising) also is definitely appreciated by charx. I could see a ddance charx + clefable core becoming duu's version of dou's mega mence + jirachi core that garnered so much support for the banning of mega mence.

 

[kdalskslsd]

I already made a team with char x ready to test out. It is definitely looking like a tier 1 threat. Diancie might be the next good TR setter, as it is both offensive and defensive and has decent typing, considering there are so few good steel types in the tier. Magnezone is not a bad pokemon. Harboring an amazing amount of resistances plus sturdy almost guarantees it to hit something with a monstruous 130 base sp. atk. Although in doubles it does not have its niche as a steel trapper, and is outclassed in a doubles ou environment, I think it could be put to good use in uu.
Super grateful for the teambuilder representation. Will be much easier for people to build teams.
Waiting for the drops to be implemented. Hopfully something other than hail/hailroon comes from it that's actually good.

 

[Roxer]

Noming Magneton for 2 or 1.5 if u guys are stone
it can trap and kill steels with HP Fire
Cool scarfer
strong af
volt switch shenanigans
NO LANDO-T <<<<

 

[astroboy]

magnezone/magneton arent getting ranked, much less 2 or 1.5 lol.
the only steel it realistically traps is escavalier, its total fodder to camerupt, mega latias, that whole crew, and is generally outclassed as a steel by gene and as an electric by thundyt. i get the whole "but it does both!!!!" spheel but it does both poorly and it doesnt deserve a rank

also xzern what r u waiting for bro do zardx to 1 and move camel down

 

[Roxer]

magnezone/magneton arent getting ranked, much less 2 or 1.5 lol.
the only steel it realistically traps is escavalier, its total fodder to camerupt, mega latias, that whole crew, and is generally outclassed as a steel by gene and as an electric by thundyt. i get the whole "but it does both!!!!" spheel but it does both poorly and it doesnt deserve a rank

also xzern what r u waiting for bro do zardx to 1 and move camel down

i didnt even know thundy-t or genesect were in the tier lmao
edit for clarification: thundy-t is "banned" in teambuilder and I glossed over genesect because i was looking for electric and i legit forgot it existed

 

[kdalskslsd]

magnezone/magneton arent getting ranked, much less 2 or 1.5 lol.
the only steel it realistically traps is escavalier, its total fodder to camerupt, mega latias, that whole crew, and is generally outclassed as a steel by gene and as an electric by thundyt. i get the whole "but it does both!!!!" spheel but it does both poorly and it doesnt deserve a rank

also xzern what r u waiting for bro do zardx to 1 and move camel down

It doesn't need to be used as a steel trapper. It has sturdy, which can be helpful. It has so many resistances and good bulk which makes it the perfect switchin to, lets say, mega abomasnow, (and mega-latias) some of the best pokemon in the tier. Its ability and speed tier makes it viable in and out of trick room, and its stab coverage is not by any means horrible, being only resisted by other electric types. It is ouclassed be genesect, but most definitely not by thundy-t. Thundy-t has been very disappointing. Through practice and observation, I think magnezone is a solid pick for this tier, and although it does not deserve tier 1.5, it should definitely be ranked as tier 2 or tier 3. Its only niche is not only as a steel trapper and now that the major ou threats that wreck it are gone, magnezone can thrive. It has the most resistances in the game, and can take out many threats. Also, there are few good steel AND electric types and sometimes genesect or thundy-t are not good picks. This pokemon should be ranked. It not being ranked makes absolutely no sense to me.

EDIT: Milotic to tier 1. Just put it up here. Too lazy to explain why. It just counters every fire type and never dies.
Arcanine to tier 2: Milotic is here. Arcanine is terrible now.

 

[astroboy]

you just named 2 things that magnezone poorly checks, congradulatuons. its still set up fodder to zardx and mega latias, has a lackluster matchup vs trick room and tailwind alike, a vulnerability to the ever-present fire types inhabiting the tier, and is outclassed by genesect. its bad. magnezone doesnt deserve to get ranked

 

[talkingtree]

Oh boy, we got a WHOLE lotta movement with the new tiering system:

Rises:
Arcanine moved from Doubles UU to Doubles OU
Milotic moved from Doubles UU to Doubles OU
Mew moved from Doubles UU to Doubles OU

Drops:
Gardevoir moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU
Blaziken-Mega moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU
Charizard-Mega-X moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU
Kangaskhan moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU
Diancie moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU
Mawile moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU
Blaziken moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU
Swampert moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU
Swampert-Mega moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU
Metagross moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU
Charizard moved from Doubles OU to Doubles UU

All the bolded ones are what I think will be really important for the tier - all three of the rises were tier 1.5, and some of these mega formes dropping should be quite interesting. Zard X anybody? And we have the return of Mega Swampert, so Rain could be making a comeback.

Thoughts? We'll have to remove the third sample team, since it now has something banned.

 

[Big_Danny_Mason]

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Abomasnow-Mega @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Ice Shard
- Protect

Rhyperior @ Life Orb
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Drill Run
- Rock Slide
- Aqua Tail
- Protect

Genesect @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Download
EVs: 32 Atk / 252 SpA / 224 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Blizzard
- U-turn
- Flamethrower
- Iron Head

Hariyama @ Life Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Protect

Reuniclus @ Life Orb
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 152 HP / 36 Def / 252 SpA / 68 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Psychic
- Protect
- Shadow Ball
- Trick Room

Crawdaunt @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Aqua Jet
- Crabhammer
- Knock Off
- Protect

My hail room team. I opted for only 1 fast mode and one trick room setter, but this is somewhat offset by crawdaunt and abomasnow having priority. I went with scarfed genesect over kyurem as the fast blizzard user because i like a lot of other coverage options genesect brings to the table. Rest seems pretty standard

 

[kdalskslsd]

gotta change all my milotics to manaphys smh

 

[kdalskslsd]

Ok so here's the thing. I made a cool hailroom team with diancie as a setter that I think is really good. So here goes:

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u kno wut it does (Abomasnow-Mega) @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Ice Shard
- Protect

badass sumo (Hariyama) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Guts
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Feint

Crucible (Rhyperior) @ Life Orb
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Drill Run
- Rock Slide
- Hammer Arm
- Protect

crystal queen (Diancie) @ Life Orb
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Diamond Storm
- Moonblast
- Trick Room
- Protect

Boo! (Cofagrigus) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Mummy
EVs: 248 HP / 100 Def / 8 SpA / 152 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp
- Ally Switch

special swamert? (Swampert) @ Life Orb
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 80 SpA / 100 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Earth Power
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Protect

explanations

So I wanted to make a hailroom so the only choice was to start with mega abomasnow. I used a standard set because I thought it was the best set. I don't need to go into full detail into what this does because I think you guys get the idea. Next I decided to use two pokemon that worked well with abomasnow: rhyperior and hariyama. This core of 3 is a really bulky offensive core that cover each other really well and I did not want to move away from that. Rhyperior and abomasnow both have great offensive and defensive synergy and both have spread moves, which when together, can rip holes in the opponent team. Hariyama's fake out helps a lot in setting trick room, and can support with feint (good in tr), wide guard, and other options. It has great sweeping options with close combat, knock off, and even bullet punch which makes it perfect in the team. Next I decided to go diancie as one of my setters. It has great bulk, and good typing considering there are few good steels, waters, and grass types in the tier. Diancie will do really well with diamond storm against char x, but struggles against abomasnow and camerupt. Overall, I think it is pretty good I will work on my calcs in the future to see how I can edit them. Next I decided to use a setter that can be very supportive and reliable, and since jelly is gone, I think cofagrigus is the best pick. It is immune to fake out, can carry mental herb, and can burn threats. I think it works great on the team. And last but not least I needed a replacement for milotic. It was a tough decision because if I used a fire, I would be weak to camel, but if I used a water, abomasnow would mean trouble. I decided to go for swampert as my last pick. The EVs and life orb let you always OHKO 40 HP mega char x with earth power as well as mega camerupt with hydro pump, which I think is important. I went hydro pump > scald because swampert's sp atk isn't great and I wanted to hit as hard as possible. The rest was put into bulk since swampert is quite fat. Right now, my only threats really are mega abomasnow, but I cover that up with assault vest hariyama and diancie somewhat. Let me know what you guys think about the team, I would appreciate some advice.

xzern I have been hoping that one of my teams would be in the sample team list. I've put many of my teams into the thread, and have made many helpful discussions and I can tell you that with some of the teams I've made it to the top. It would make my day to see one of my teams up there :]

EDIT: Replay no1: file:///C:/Users/Daniel10001/Downloads/DoublesUU-2016-01-18-kdalskslsd-repseps.html (IDK the link doesnt work, just copy and paste the link into another tab)

This one was a semi-TR with genesect, a lot like the trick room sample team that is up here in the sample teams page. They used camerupt instead of abomasnow. This battle really showcases the usefulness of swampert, where it got ohkos on rhyperior, and its main target: mega camerupt. Diancie also puts in work, as well as hariyama. Sadly, due to all of the threats against it and the camel, I did not end up using abomasnow.

 

[Tymano]

Antar did not post this in the Usage Thread yet, but we got drops (and rises)
Rises:
Ninetails
Camerupt-M
Victini

Drops:
Sableye (M + R)
Excadrill
Arcanine
Volcorona
Landorus-I
Scizor (M + R)
Jellicent
Metagross-M

This is definitely going to be an exciting shift, with all the drops bar Sableye-M and Excadrill being usable, and probably very good at that

 

[xzern]

Antar did not post this in the Usage Thread yet, but we got drops (and rises)
Rises:
Ninetails
Camerupt-M
Victini

Drops:
Sableye (M + R)
Excadrill
Arcanine
Volcorona
Landorus-I
Scizor (M + R)
Jellicent
Metagross-M

This is definitely going to be an exciting shift, with all the drops bar Sableye-M and Excadrill being usable, and probably very good at that

This drop actually looks really cool. With 3 of the biggest fire types being ousted from the tier, i can see a lot of new things waltzing their way into viability. Hailroom looks really strong now that it has Jellicent, the (probably) best tr setter on hail. astroboy and i are going to update the viability rankings soon, probably tomorrow. Stay tuned!

 

[Bughouse]

lol megagross is gonna be so borked

 

[megacyber]

no its not