I'm not saying those mons will disappear lol. No-one is saying that, there will always be a need for Draco/Psychic switch-ins. What I'm saying is, "I'd like to stop using SpD Scizor or CM Blissey on every non-HO team because they let Crawdaunt, Breloom and Feraligatr in for free constantly and are just outclassed by better sets in general outside of specifically beating Latios". Without Latios (and Zam agree that is dumb) in the picture, the list of what counts as a Draco/Psychic switch-in massively increases and so we get more options for teambuilding and also in-battle, so one crit/SpD drop/set mispredict no longer means throwing a mon.You claimed that the Pokémon options are limited because of one Pokémon and if you think that mons like Scizor Blissey Heatran etc. would stop being everywhere and feel "forced" on the opponent you're not paying attention or something especially when Latias is one of the go to options in HO as is. I've been far more pressured by teambuilding by mons like Zam and Crawdaunt (the latter I definitely wouldn't call broken) than Latios.
This meta will always be offense-ruled and no amount of bans will change that, agreed, but right now even Bulky Offense is hard to build without throwing one of these passive mons on your team which suck momentum away like nothing else. SpD Scizor is popular just because if it somehow gets a free turn rather than having to spam Roost all the time it gets to U-turn occasionally, and it can revenge kill certain things. All just so you can not have to throw a mon every time Latios comes in. Cool idea: what if offensive Scizor was a thing again you could use to soak Dracos while not being passive AF?
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 284-335 (82.7 - 97.6%) -- 68.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Choice Specs Latias Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 252-297 (73.4 - 86.5%) -- not a KO (yes you do get 2HKOed after Rocks by coverage, but that gives a free switch-in to something else.)
This is just an example, but basically my gripe is you can't offensively counter Latios, only revenge it or wall it, and that's what makes HO and stall the dominant styles. Banning it therefore opens up room to not be forced into basically playing stall sets on BO/Balance.
Seriously though, I'd like to hear what are these "other mons" aside from Zam and Latios that supposedly force you to run max SpD Scizor. Every other mon in the meta has proven to have a variety of viable counterplay, even Garchomp which I had misgivings about earlier in the meta.
This is off-topic at this point, but I 100% was not saying thunderbolt is good lol. I was saying in all probability Thunder>Thunderbolt even without Snorlax in the picture. The real sign of Snorlax's dominance is the huge amount of phasing in the meta.Also nobody runs Thunderbolt ever and any GSC player will tell you it sucks pretty much solely because it doesn't hit Snorlax
Agree totally, there is a reason Lando-T has never been banned for. We ban things that are broken (is so good not using it puts you at a disadvantage), uncompetitive (makes luck more important than skill) or unhealthy (ban this as a last resort, restricts the format from proper growth, possibly due to an oversaturation of threats). Latios is broken (the best two mons in the meta are Latios and Latios's 1 splashable counter) and unhealthy (by definition, but this alone shouldn't be a reason to ban something unless 100% needed). Zam is arguably more broken and almost as unhealthy. But Latios is blatantly the root cause of all these "unsets" being mandatory.banning for the sake of diversity doesn't make a good meta, banning for the sake of a change is even worse.
Basically, no, I don't want Latios banned just for sake of banning something. I want it banned because it's broken and stupidly easy to use, its "counters" are laughably exploitable, and it forces a snowball effect on teambuilding where you add one passive mon to deal with it, then have to add another to deal with everything that gets free turns off that, and you end up with a stall team.
This will be my last post on this, I think I've made my feelings clear and if you truly believe having a stale meta after like a month is healthy then I can't persuade you lol. The whole point of teambuilding is to come up with something new, not just throw on the same Scizor VoltTurn structure that gets smashed by Crawdaunt again because trying anything else gets you annihilated by Latios.