I really hope that Rotom gets access to Defog once again in the new DLC. Having a solid option that can threaten Gliscor with Water+Electric coverage (in case it goes for the Tera Water), outspeeds both Gholdengo and Samurott-H, is immune to Ting-Lu's EQ AND can threaten the likes of Cinderace and Tusk to quite possibly keep your own hazards up would be fantastic. Rotom-W can also Tera into a Steel-type to become immune to Toxic and completely wall 90% of Gliscor's sets, which would further improve the consistency of its Defog attempts.
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could effectively throw out hyper beams and act during the recharge turn. off of flutter mane's special attack. with nothing immune to it. and bulk that made the average physical wall jealous. and calm mind. and vacuum wave. and reliable recovery. and a usable body press for blissey. who the fuck designed this and thought it was ok? did some 12-year-old sneak his mary-sue fnaf oc into the design documents during take-your-kid-to-work day?
sky-high attack, a spammable version of outrage with a consequence that turned out to not actually matter most of the time, unreasonably good mixed bulk, a burn immunity, strong ice stab with ground coverage, and—this is the big one—a viable snow/veil setter as a partner to triple its defense and double its spdef. also, the addition of scale shot let it run very threatening loaded dice sets alongside icicle spear, while still being able to set up with even more breaking power thanks to swords dance. it was the fastest ban that ou ever had (or thereabouts, not sure whether it or marshadow lasted longer) and it fully deserved it
cheese incarnate. it had an attack that had a paralysis chance and sleep chance at the same time and that wasn't even why it was broken. it had the power and speed of a glass cannon, but grassy seed sets also gave it way too much bulk for something that fast and that strong. poison/fighting stab was exceedingly good against most of the meta, especially when you combined it with, oh, i dunno, tera flying acrobatics. it sometimes had problems dealing with gholdeng- wait, no, this one has lash out, never mind. well, at least dondozo could- oh, it's asleep. yeah this mon was just kind of a free win button and really earned the 4.39 it scored from qualified players on its last survey
unga (and i cannot stress this enough) bunga. that was the main design philosophy behind firepon. powerful and high-crit fire stab, multiple strong grass stab options, high speed, and swords dance would have made her a menace already, even without the ability to hold boots—although getting a consequence-free 1.2x boost to all attacks was enough to make up for that. but then the good folks at game freak must have thought, "hey, this isn't broken enough for a dlc legendary, urshifu was like twice as bullshit as this", so they decided to give her another form that had pre-nerf intrepid sword on top of the adaptability boost that tera already gives. what a thing they created here
ever heard of defog? no you haven't, and this motherfucker is why. the string cheese man's existence effectively limits reliable hazard removal to three options and one of them is just a funko pop collection. not only does it warp the meta around hazards even in games it isn't actually in, it's also a terror of a mon in its own right, with extremely well-distributed stats, a super-strong stab move and massive spa to back it up, an incredible defensive typing, reliable recovery, immunity to all status moves, a bevy of utility moves in its kit for stallbreaking and speed control, nasty plot for setup, this thing's like the world's most expensive swiss army knife. even in natdex, where defog distribution is much wider, gholdengo was enough of a negative effect on the tier that they had to ban it. unfortunately, it snuck under the radar for just long enough that we couldn't follow suit
fuck this thing. i don't need to explain why it's on this list because there are half a million posts doing it for me. if nothing else, kingambit should be banned under evasion clause because of all the tiering action it's dodged. the last time i played an sv match that had an actual endgame was pre-home and that is entirely due to this absolute bastard
tail glow with veil support was the talk of the town back when the dlc first released, and that's how manaphy first found itself in the crosshairs. but what made it stay there for the whole dlc was the other sets that people kept coming up with, each more stupid and insufferable than the one before it. resttalk take heart. acid armor stall. moist demon mew. at one point, it seemed like every week there would be some new dumb manaphy set to deal with. it never did make it onto the chopping block in the end, but plenty of people wanted it to
a meta-warping monstrosity that was an effective guarantee of three layers of spikes on your opponent's side of the field. even with no roost, its bulk combined with poison heal and protect was enough to leave it nearly immortal against anything that couldn't hit it supereffectively. the most common gliscor sets would run spikes, earthquake, protect, and either knock off or toxic, which made the best and most reliable switch-in to gliscor… another gliscor. and then they'd just sit there and futz around for fifty turns or so because there was literally no safer move than staying in. yes, a lot of the problem was gholdengo's, but gliscor was well and truly bullshit on its own too
a bit less oppressive than her hot sister, but waterpon is still a formidable and meta-defining pokemon that exerts way too much pressure on a wide variety of teams. defensive teams especially hate her because of water absorb—dondozo and alomomomomola typically have anywhere from one to zero options against this mon—but she's no slouch against offense and balance either. she has the same damage output as firepon, but with water stab instead of fire (obviously), which has turned out to be a pretty useful combo offensively. her tera form also turns her into a defensive powerhouse while bolstering her offensive prowess, giving her a pure water typing and a free spdef boost, which makes her a fantastic answer to several special attackers that would normally kick her mask right down her throat. although not actually kick, they'd do it with like a beam or something because they're special attackers. you get what i'm saying. altogether one of the most jack-of-all-trades mons in the tier
objectively, this needed to go, even though it wasn't as big a problem as the other things here. dragon dance with already crazy attack and good speed, knock off to nearly guarantee progress even against its checks, booster energy acrobatics, stupidly good special bulk for some reason, and the ability to pick and choose its checks with taunt and roost made roaring moon a nightmare to play against. also, it's a form of salamence, and those are contractually obligated to be banned at some point
instead of regular lol
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Ursaluna
Moltres
Cresselia
Haxorus
Klawf
Zarude
Wigglytuff
Cyclizar
Kricketune
Iron Jugulis
Oricorio-Sensu
Milotic
Muk-Alola
Florges
Slowking-Galar
Shiftry
Typhlosion-Hisui
Wo-Chien
Jirachi
Avalugg-Hisui
Inteleon
Mightyena
Toedscruel
Pincurchin
Empoleon
Mamoswine
Zoroark-Hisui
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Pyroar
Iron Leaves
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