Reserved judgement until i was done with laddering due to my inexperience with both pokes, but I've come to one conclusion that I'm satisfied with, and still on the edge about the other.
Anyways yea, those are my first impressions after getting done with reqs. Overall I'd say that I found the two suspects less broken then everyone else did o_o, but my lack of experience may be showing here.
In practice i found pangoro very underwhelming. I found it on about 90% of the teams on the ladder and easily dealt with it most of the time. On paper it looks great and I'm decently sure that in the hands of competent players it's probably a lot better then what the ladder offers. Its sheer versatility is what scares me the most about it, the coverage it offers makes it incredibly hard to stop if it's being played right. I think the main reason i found it to be easy to deal with is that I laddered solely with a qwilfish team, which was an great switch in to that. I'd normally say non-ban after this experience but with the specialization that is required to stop it I'm still tempted to lean towards ban. The worst part of this mon is that while it can run over stall, it'll also take the backbone out of offensive and balance teams which is easily capitalized on by another faster mon.
Moltres is yet another thing i found underwhelming. It put pressure on my team, but not anymore then any other fast special attacker. It had great stabs but is stopped in its tracks by things like t-wave cresselia and outright beaten by tyrantrum. Another thing that's pointed out quite a bit and is a viable point is of course the rock weakness, which i think hinders the usefulness of the u-turn sets. The only set that truly ran over me was a sub life orb set that I found, as far as I know that's not a common set, but the common ones didn't give me much problems. Not many other thoughts on this guy, other then i found him quite overhyped. Just because you find something annoying to face doesn't mean you should ban it, and there are many ways to deal with this bird. Not exactly sure if I'm thinking through all of this right coming from a doubles player, but that's my thoughts on this :x.
Anyways yea, those are my first impressions after getting done with reqs. Overall I'd say that I found the two suspects less broken then everyone else did o_o, but my lack of experience may be showing here.