Actually base 70 is certainly fast enough or a Scarf. Max Speed Scarfed Chesnaught is 1.5 points faster with non-Scarfed max Speed Alakazam and Sceptile (!). And with Web support it outspeeds max Speed Venusaur in the Sun (!!).
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Pokémon Chesnaught (Revamp Occurring)
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In the higher tiers, Chesnaught is neither fast enough nor strong enough to pack a lot of offensive presence compared to say Breloom or Lucario, and has a tad too many weaknesses to adopt a tanking role adequately. Spikes is the best thing Chesnaught can do in OU, and can use its Dark and Ground resistance and access to Synthesis, Taunt and Roar to set itself apart from Ferrothorn, while also packing a good punch. Chesnaught should really go for Spikes as its main set in the higher tiers.
In the lower tiers though, Chesnaught's offensive movepool has a better chance to shine. It has Wood Hammer, Hammer Arm, Earthquake, Stone Edge as well as some weird shit like Shadow Claw and even Dragon Claw. It also has Swords Dance, Bulk Up and Power-Up Punch as boosting options. Chesnaught would prove to be quite a formidable Grass-type wallbreaker in the lower tiers. And of course it can still do Spikes as there is less / no competition from Ferrothorn.
In the lower tiers though, Chesnaught's offensive movepool has a better chance to shine. It has Wood Hammer, Hammer Arm, Earthquake, Stone Edge as well as some weird shit like Shadow Claw and even Dragon Claw. It also has Swords Dance, Bulk Up and Power-Up Punch as boosting options. Chesnaught would prove to be quite a formidable Grass-type wallbreaker in the lower tiers. And of course it can still do Spikes as there is less / no competition from Ferrothorn.
While it has a lot of weknesses, its typing is fantastic against most physical attackers. It reists stealth rock and the omnipresent edge quake combo. It also resists the common sucker punch and is immune to new common attacks such as shadow ball and sludge bomb. Chesnaughts bulk allows it to take a lot of neutral hits and even some weaker super effective ones. Chesnaught also has multiple recovery options in synthesis and leech seed. To put ot simply, chesnaught is a fantastic tank that can ruin opposing teams.
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Actually, if you want to pm me your friend code I can hook you up with that shit, my safari has quilladin and ivysaur.
What kind of set do you run on it?
I used this:
Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Atk
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Hammer Arm
- Synthesis
- Seed Bomb
If you are doing in-game wi-fi 3 vs 3, you could swap Spikes for Spiky Shield or Earthquake or Leech Seed.
Even with Impish and 252 HP/ Def, Chesnaught has a chance of being 2HKOed by a +2 Breloom Mach Punch after rocks, whilst being incapable of OHKOing with anything other than Aerial Ace. Adamant Chesnaught with Poison Jab is the only competitively feasible Chesnaught that can take on Breloom, being the only variant capable of OHKOing, and it's faced with an unpleasant choice:
a) Forgo Synthesis, meaning that after one mistimed switch into Mach Punch, Chesnaught is in KO range of a single +2 Mach Punch.
b) Forgo Bulk Up or Swords Dance, and get cockblocked by Skarmory/ Forretress/ Scizor/ Gliscor/ Tentacruel/ take your pick.
c) Forgo fighting STAB and get cockblocked by anything steel.
d) Forgo grass STAB and get cockblocked by Crobat, Gliscor, Tentacruel, etc.
Chesnaught can't afford to set itself up to deal with Breloom. It requires too specialised of a set, which frankly would be useless at everything else.
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And if you run Bulletproof, you are immune to Gengar's 2 biggest threats, shadow ball and Sludgebomb. You do need to watch out for Dazzeling gleam(my gengar has that)
The fact that breloom needs plus two to have a chance to 2hko chesnaught after rocks says it all. Also, Im pretty sure that's bs because I have yet to feel threatend by any breloom I have sent my chesnaught out against. I have also beaten most swords dance scizors one on one with leech seed spiley shield and chesnaughts bulk. No bulk up needed.
It actually says nothing, because it means that Chesnaught simply can't switch into Breloom and expect to switch it out or kill it every time. If Breloom grabs a SD on the switch, Breloom stays in, whales away with Mach Punch, and wins. This means that Chesnaught can check, but it simply can't counter.
If you want a Breloom counter, play Gourgeist or Trevenant.
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I have 2 questions:
Why the SubSeed has Overgrow when it has Hammer Arm as the only attacking move?
You talked about Close Combat in the Bulk Up set. Chesnaught really can learn that move?
Why the SubSeed has Overgrow when it has Hammer Arm as the only attacking move?
You talked about Close Combat in the Bulk Up set. Chesnaught really can learn that move?
How about something like this:
Offensive Seeder@Leftovers
Impish
252+ Def / 64 HP / 188 Atk
Spiky Shield/Substitute
Leech Seed
Powerup Punch
Seed Bomb
Offensive Seeder@Leftovers
Impish
252+ Def / 64 HP / 188 Atk
Spiky Shield/Substitute
Leech Seed
Powerup Punch
Seed Bomb
Or Sludge Wave, which is superior to Sludge Bomb in every single way
Gengar doesn't get sludge wave, unless Serebii is mistaken
Once bank is out, he gets it.
But very few gengars run Sludge bomb / wave anyway, because Ghost / Fighting / TB is his best 3 move option.
It's a dream world exclusive move
Only way to get Sludge Wave on Gengar is by getting a DW Gastly, which means it's not available until Pokemon Bank comes out and is illegal with all Egg Moves.
Sorry, I was a tad bit cranky yesterday. However, unless breloom does some serious prediction, it will three hit ko and get knocked out by two hammer arms unless it is a poison heal set which would make the two hit ko less likely anyway and would probably pack the predicatble sub punch or sub seed. It may not be 100% counter to breloom, but it does serve as a ridiculously good check and it will show up as a top threat to breloom in usage statistics.
Chesnaught may be able to check Breloom, but Breloom really has other things to worry about. Many other things, that are more common, can tank its STAB relatively well, like Skarmory, Aegislash, Mega-Hera and even Avalugg, and retaliate for OHKOes or 2HKOes just like Chesnaught. I wouldn't go so far as to say Chesnaught is a top threat to Breloom, but it can definitely serve as an obstacle.
The problem with every check that isnt a grass type is that they will be spored and set up on (except for my favorite guts talk heracross). Yes, things like trevenant and gourgeist will be better at taking down breloom, but honestly, I think those with a chesnaught will use chesaught as a very reliable check to breloom and in turn will make it a top threat.
Yes Gengar resists both but
0 Atk Chesnaught Seed Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 69-81 (26.33 - 30.91%) -- possible 4HKO
So it breaks Sub + 3 attacks gengar (typically Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, and Focus Blast)
Only Sub Disable works, but people opt not to use that as much nowadays due to lack of coverage.
And swords dance breloom can only get the guaranteed 2HKO at +2 if it has life orb. If it doesn't have life orb it is a guaranteed 3HKO. However, breloom has to outpredict and use swords dance when Chesnaught switches-in for this to work, otherwise it is 2HKOed by Hammer Arm.
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