You did go to the specified link didn't you? The 'Overcentralizing Clause' is essentially what the author was trying to institute at the bottom of the OP. Not my ideas, but I'll use them if they make sense. Besides, even if we junked the characteristics, which was more applicable for OU than UU because of Power Creep, they're still good bases to judge Pokemon off of if no consensus can be reached through this holistic analysis.You mean the characteristics we threw out and decided not to use for the 5th generation? Even so, the 4th "overcentralizing clause" is something you just made up - never in DPP was "overcentralizing" a ban characteristic.
For all of those arguing that Stallbreaker is broken - what about Sabeleye? Isn't he essentially the same Pokemon, exchanging stats for typing and Prankster?
You realize Mew is going to be NPing as Cofagrigus switches in, right?
Yeah, Stallbreaker Mew functions similarly to Sableye, just, you know, more Mewish.
Can +2 Mew 1hko Cofag with Psyshock? No... you've a point, that Cofag can't 1hko w/out a NP boost. On the other hand Mew definitely cannot swap into Cofagrigus or it's outsped in TR, does pitiful damage if it attacks unboosted and dies outright if it decides to boost against Cofag.
@PK GamingThat said, its Psychic-typing could allow some underdogs like Zoroark, Krookodile & Mismagius to make a reappearance, which is something I don't actually have a problem with. 2 /3 of these Pokemon naturally outspeed Mew, and Krookodile predominately runs Scarf so its fine too. They also don't really mind Sucker Punch, which makes them pretty reliable Mew checks.
I 100% disagree with that mentality (EX: if Mewtwo had base 90 stats across the board it wouldn't be Uber!) Quoting because :cloud:
Solution: Play against some good UU players who use Mew. Actually scratch that, don't want you playing someone like koko, beating him then posting "Mew isn't broken fuckers!" (jk)
I'd honestly run Smeargle or Gorebyss if you wanted a Baton Pass user. On dedicated Baton Pass teams, I agree Mew is fantastic.
So if Heracross checks 70% of the tier why aren't we testing our Pokemon and teams according to it? Saying that something's check is overpowered isn't actually giving a reason why it's not valid, until said check gets out of the tier.
Wait, I don't see what point you're trying to make with Mewtwo. Are you saying that it'd still be Uber if it had Base 90 Stats across the board?
If it's hard for a decent player to sweep massively with Mew, then it shouldn't be broken. And I can't see myself getting 6-0'd, no matter how good the opponent, with Mew. That said, I'd probably take a beating.
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Guys, you are all saying that its offensive sets are too good, that it's impossible to counter it, that it can't be taken out without incurring damage to the team... but isn't that true of any of the top-tier threats in UU? Heracross without a straight-out counter, Darmanitan w/out Bulky Waters, Kingdra w/out Empoleon, Raikou w/out... uh, depends on the set, and Mew w/out some of its many checks? It's not possible to maneuver around a well-built team with good support for its main sweeper without losing something.
Guys... something is not by definition broken if it's the best at a certain role. Mew might be the best bulky set-up sweeper but every role has to have a best Pokemon. Does that make it broken? Maybe! But we shouldn't be banning stuff just because it's hard to counter, or that it's capable of sweeping 2-3 Pokemon by itself. If we did that, we'd have lost Raikou, Kingdra, and Roserade by now.
A quote from the Smogon philosophy page:
Smogon attempts to avoid bans as much as possible—only when it becomes very apparent that a Pokémon is far too powerful to be in line with a balanced metagame is it banished permanently from the standard arena.
Let's not force this ban, OK?