<Sorry didn't see someone else reserved Buzzwole...it's all written but wanted to give the previous poster a chance>
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Project USUM OU Victim of the Week [Week 49: Dragon Dance Gyarados]
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Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Ice Beam
- Gunk Shot
- Extrasensory
- Hidden Power Fire
Reserving Protean life orb greninja as a check
This thing is being able to ohko lando with hydro pump and ice beam
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 478-564 (149.8 - 176.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 785-925 (246 - 289.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Lando's calcs
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 964-1135 (338.2 - 398.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 535-631 (187.7 - 221.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 357-421 (125.2 - 147.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Avalugg as a Check
Avalugg @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 156 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Avalanche
- Earthquake
Avalugg might be an odd choice for a check/counter because of its Ice typing, but when used correctly it really can render Landorus' effectiveness useless. It has spectacular 95/184 physical bulk, meaning it can tank Continental Crush, especially if SR isn't on the field; and can also hit back with a 4x super-effective Avalanche. Not only that; it can spin away SR and recover lost health. Earthquake is there as an additional coverage move to catch any grounded Fire or Steel-type off guard. The Sturdy ability allows it to come in on SD safely if SR isn't on the field; and thus can survive CC and hit back. So why a check and not a counter? Because like every other Ice-type, it can't switch in on CC otherwise Lando would put it in KO range.
Here are some quite interesting calcs:
0 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-Therian: 640-760 (200.6 - 238.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 248 HP / 156 Def Avalugg: 248-294 (63.1 - 74.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Avalugg @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 156 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Avalanche
- Earthquake
Avalugg might be an odd choice for a check/counter because of its Ice typing, but when used correctly it really can render Landorus' effectiveness useless. It has spectacular 95/184 physical bulk, meaning it can tank Continental Crush, especially if SR isn't on the field; and can also hit back with a 4x super-effective Avalanche. Not only that; it can spin away SR and recover lost health. Earthquake is there as an additional coverage move to catch any grounded Fire or Steel-type off guard. The Sturdy ability allows it to come in on SD safely if SR isn't on the field; and thus can survive CC and hit back. So why a check and not a counter? Because like every other Ice-type, it can't switch in on CC otherwise Lando would put it in KO range.
Here are some quite interesting calcs:
0 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-Therian: 640-760 (200.6 - 238.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 248 HP / 156 Def Avalugg: 248-294 (63.1 - 74.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
thats rare
Weavile @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Ice Shard
- Icicle Crash
- Knock Off
- Poison Jab
Weavile is a very straight-forward offensive mon that can check Landorus-T. While it can't switch in, its Ice Shard will always knock out Landorus-T.
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-Therian: 348-421 (109 - 131.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Check
Slowbro @ Slowbronite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 232 Def / 28 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Slack Off
- Calm Mind
Slowbro is a simple check for Lando-T back in ORAS, but since we're in SuMo now, Slowbro has lost usage. But however, it can be a good switch in to Lando-T and can have the chance to burn it with Scald or even kill it after Stealth Rocks are up.
Slowbro @ Slowbronite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 232 Def / 28 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Slack Off
- Calm Mind
Slowbro is a simple check for Lando-T back in ORAS, but since we're in SuMo now, Slowbro has lost usage. But however, it can be a good switch in to Lando-T and can have the chance to burn it with Scald or even kill it after Stealth Rocks are up.
From Lando
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 184-217 (46.8 - 55.2%) -- 69.9% chance to 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 123-145 (31.2 - 36.8%) -- 76% chance to 3HKO
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 221-260 (56.2 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
From Slowbro
0 SpA Slowbro-Mega Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 260-308 (81.5 - 96.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Slowbro-Mega Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 260-308 (81.5 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 184-217 (46.8 - 55.2%) -- 69.9% chance to 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 123-145 (31.2 - 36.8%) -- 76% chance to 3HKO
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 221-260 (56.2 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
From Slowbro
0 SpA Slowbro-Mega Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 260-308 (81.5 - 96.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Slowbro-Mega Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 260-308 (81.5 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Why is there leftovers recovery on slowbro-mega on the calcs?Check
Slowbro @ Slowbronite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 232 Def / 28 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Slack Off
- Calm Mind
Slowbro is a simple check for Lando-T back in ORAS, but since we're in SuMo now, Slowbro has lost usage. But however, it can be a good switch in to Lando-T and can have the chance to burn it with Scald or even kill it after Stealth Rocks are up.
From Lando
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 184-217 (46.8 - 55.2%) -- 14.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+4 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 276-325 (70.2 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 123-145 (31.2 - 36.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
+4 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 184-217 (46.8 - 55.2%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 221-260 (56.2 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
From Slowbro
0 SpA Slowbro-Mega Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 260-308 (81.5 - 96.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Slowbro-Mega Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 260-308 (81.5 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Check
Tapu Bulu @ Leftovers
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Leech Seed
- Bulk Up
- Horn Leech
- Protect
Tapu Bulu is a great check to Landorus-T as it can easily come in to one of it's attacks. However, I'm nominating it as a check as it can't take a +2 Continental Crush from Landorus-T. If you come in an predicted Earthquake, then there is no fear since Tapu Bulu can save itself by using Protect and scouting the opposing Landorus-T's move, whether it is Continental Crush or Supersonic Skystrike. It can also boost it's defense with Bulk Up or gain chip damage with Leech Seed. And besides, using this bull is pretty cool.
Tapu Bulu @ Leftovers
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Leech Seed
- Bulk Up
- Horn Leech
- Protect
Tapu Bulu is a great check to Landorus-T as it can easily come in to one of it's attacks. However, I'm nominating it as a check as it can't take a +2 Continental Crush from Landorus-T. If you come in an predicted Earthquake, then there is no fear since Tapu Bulu can save itself by using Protect and scouting the opposing Landorus-T's move, whether it is Continental Crush or Supersonic Skystrike. It can also boost it's defense with Bulk Up or gain chip damage with Leech Seed. And besides, using this bull is pretty cool.
Counter
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Wood Hammer / Spiky Shield
- Leech Seed / Synthesis
- Drain Punch
- Spikes
Chesnaught is able to tank anything Landorus-Therian has while being able to slowly kill it with a combination of Wood Hammer / Leech Seed. Some calcs;
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Wood Hammer / Spiky Shield
- Leech Seed / Synthesis
- Drain Punch
- Spikes
Chesnaught is able to tank anything Landorus-Therian has while being able to slowly kill it with a combination of Wood Hammer / Leech Seed. Some calcs;
- +2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 146-172 (38.4 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
- -1 0 Atk Chesnaught Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-Therian: 100-118 (31.3 - 36.9%) -- 76.3% chance to 3HKO
- +2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 122-144 (32.1 - 37.8%) -- 0.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
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oops, thats fixed now
Just a question about this process. Should we take into account other common sets for the victim when considering counters/checks?
Z-Fly lando is incredibly threatening and viable and the hard counters to rockium Z get deleted by supersonic skystrike.
Given that, only like bronzong and ice beam cresselia are true counters (and lunatone, lol), and even those get wrecked by choiceband U-turn or knock off.
This just highlights how scary lando T is, but for the purposes of this thread, I think it's important to define the constraints or put a big ol' asterisk next to the "set counters".
Z-Fly lando is incredibly threatening and viable and the hard counters to rockium Z get deleted by supersonic skystrike.
Given that, only like bronzong and ice beam cresselia are true counters (and lunatone, lol), and even those get wrecked by choiceband U-turn or knock off.
This just highlights how scary lando T is, but for the purposes of this thread, I think it's important to define the constraints or put a big ol' asterisk next to the "set counters".
Since the thread title already specifically mention Rockium Z Lando, for the purposes of this thread, you can freely disregard the Flyinium Z set ( it might be a victim later on but feel free to ignore it for now ). Otherwise, in the opening week, the set would have like 6+ moves, making almost everything impossible to counter.
Skarmory @ Leftovers / Rocky Helmet / Shed Shell
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Roost
- Whirlwind
- Spikes
- Counter
Lando does not 2hko this monster, due to skarmory's bulkiness, and it can simply counter when lando is doing continental crush, and you will be able to tank also with a crit due to sturdy. you can whirlwind too if you're afraid of a setup when you have like 40ish health
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Alright last chance to post checks. Voting starts soon.
OK, submission period is over. Now's the time to vote. You may vote for 2 checks and 2 counters. Voting ends on Friday night where we'll begin Week 2. Thanks for the activity
Checks
Manaphy
Mamoswine
Keldeo
Greninja
Rotom w
Tangrowth
Landorus therian
Pheromosa
Tapu fini
Clefable
Weavile
Mega slowbro
Tapu bulu
Latias
Counters
Quagsire
Pkukyumkyu
Bronzong
Chestnaught
Skarmory
My apologies to Psychobuzz but Avalugg as good as it is at checking lando will not be put up for voting since its not really viable in ou. Thanks for the nomination tho and we hope you post again.
Good luck on voting
Checks
Manaphy
Mamoswine
Keldeo
Greninja
Rotom w
Tangrowth
Landorus therian
Pheromosa
Tapu fini
Clefable
Weavile
Mega slowbro
Tapu bulu
Latias
Counters
Quagsire
Pkukyumkyu
Bronzong
Chestnaught
Skarmory
My apologies to Psychobuzz but Avalugg as good as it is at checking lando will not be put up for voting since its not really viable in ou. Thanks for the nomination tho and we hope you post again.
Good luck on voting
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Checks - Greninja, Mamoswine
Counters - Skarmory, Quagsire
Counters - Skarmory, Quagsire
no Chesnaught love feelsbadman
Checks: Pheromosa, Greninja
Counters: Bronzong, Pyukumuku
Checks: Pheromosa, Greninja
Counters: Bronzong, Pyukumuku
Moved latias to checks. Sorry about that I was on my mobile when I typed that out.
checks - Latias, Pheremosa
Counters - Skarmory and Bronzong
Counters - Skarmory and Bronzong
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