To me an ubers wall has to have utility, that is: it has to be somewhat threatening offensively to still be good defensively, thats why giratina is so good, and (imo) lugia is so weak.
When you are using general walls, that team should be a stall team lol. Also, Stall teams give the right support for Lugia. Giratina is so good? I would say it sucks compare to Lugia in terms of walling.
As much as I like Giratina, Lugia is still MUCH better than Giratina if you are looking for a wall. So, what major advantages Giratina has while Lugia doesn't? Spin block? Enjoy Forretress setting up on you.
Lugia is weak, I accept that. However, Lugia doesn't need to hit hard, just by phazing the opponent and waiting for them to die from passive damage is all Lugia needs. Ice Beam kills just the right things, Rayquaza, Garchomp and harms Zekrom or Groudon.
Giratina in addition to spin blocking also threatens nearly every uber with dragon stabs, lugia on the other hand has very unfortunate stabs and is weak to sr.
In exchange for those, Lugia lacks a Dragon weakness, hello any Dragon sweeper to bash Giratina? Also the only Dragon STAB walling Giratina is using is Dragon Tail. Giratina's Dragon Tail can't even break Ho-Oh's Substitute, lol, is that what you consider strong? Lugia doesn't need STABs, also Giratina is weak to damaged by Stealth Rock and hurt by Spikes and Toxic Spikes It's worse when Giratina cannot touch Forretress who Giratina is suppose to be spin blocking. Forretress gets all the free layers if Giratina comes in.
giratina has access to will o wisp which is in most cases a superior reflect. on top of this Giratina runs a reliable rest talk
That's not always the case. Will-O-Wisps fail if the opponent is paralysed or poisoned. Also, Reflect supports the entire team from physical attacks instead of one attacker. Oh, Will-O-Wisps has a shaky accuracy as well, you won't like missing 25% of the time. Reliable Resttalk set? This means Giratina lacks recovery and is forced to run that strategy. The lack of reliable healing sucks hard for Giratina, any move that 3HKOEs Giratina means Giratina loses. An example will be LO Ho-Oh who can 3HKO Giratina while Lugia can stall out Ho-Oh with Reflect, Toxic and Roost.
Bliss doesnt need defense to be honest, and losing leftovers recovery and less hp makes chansey a pink whore, blissy is still the top bitch gen 5.
Jokes. Most people switch to their physical attacker when they see Blissey. Blissey comes in on Palkia for little damage, and the opponent switches to Groudon. Now, Blissey is threatened. If it is Chansey, she can stay in and stall out Groudon. Also Mixed Attackers such as Dialga and Palkia have an easier time breaking Blissey than Chansey. Many special attackers carry physical moves to suprise Blissey but in Chansey's case, that will not be so painful. Chansey can survive 2 Outrages from Garchomp, while Blissey is always killed in 2 hits. Oh, the HP lost is insignificant, when you have 641 HP.
under other arceus forms: steel arcues anyone? or for that matter any bulkier arcues build with will-o wisp and calm mind. Good luck breaking that without toxic, owaitsteelcantbetoxiced1.
Steel Arceus stops what? It is a bulky booster like what I said to guanlong. Steel Arceus cannot come in on Groudon, Garchomp, Ho-Oh, Rayquaza. Reshiram, Kyogre, non choiced Palkia, Zekrom, Mewtwo and all SD Arceus variants.
A wall should be coming on a threat not letting a threat come in to threaten you lol.
Steel Arceus is noob. Use Rock Arceus instead. Hey look I'm a Calm Mind Arceus that kicks Ho-oh's ass to the fifth dimension, and I get make Reshiram my bitch! Good luck trying to beat me without using Doryuuzu or Toxic.
Steel Arceus actually beats Rock Arceus one-on-one. Also Fighting and Ground Arceus will eventually beat Rock Arceus in a Calm Mind war. Kyogre changes weather and drowns Rock Arceus. About Ho-Oh and Reshiram, that's what make Rock Arceus so unique. Heracross can come in and beat Rock Arceus too.
. Lugia can also be put on a stall team, were it wont be set up fodder for everything with taunt (and darkrai)
False, Lugia can Dragon Tail out the Taunter. Taunt fails to stop Lugia from phazing in this gen. What uses Taunt in Ubers now? No, Mewtwo please, the Psystrike CM Set is way too useful. Heatran? Skarmory? and what? Those two steels are as rare as Diamonds in Ubers currently. Heatran is slowly raising in popularity but it is RARE at the moment.
This is good because stall teams use entry hazards which makes lugia's one truly outstanding utility (whirlwind) worth using.
Wrong, Lugia is the best phazer in the game, walls the Mixed attackers such as Dialga and Rayquaza, has Roost or Recover, Pressure to PP stall out moves. Lugia can use Dual Screens to support the entire team, checks a large portion of the metagame, Lugia can also sweep unpreprared teams with Calm Mind. Calm Mind + Psychock allows Lugia to beat Calm Mind Kyogre and Blissey.
This thread is also for walls commonly seen in slower teams lol, so you can't say Lugia is useless while Giratina is very useful. Using Giratina outside of stall is just plain stupid. Also, I find Lugia to be more useful than Giratina because Giratina hides whenever he sees any Dragon sweeper lol. Fleeing from Palkia, Dialga, Rayquaza, Reshiram and pretty much any powerful dragons is a horrible weakness Giratina has.
Judging from the votes Lugia is the preferred wall on their defensive teams. I believe most people can understand you should provide Spikes support for Lugia in order to fully abuse Lugia's potential which is walling and phazing. Chansey is winning Blissey so far in terms of votes so Chansey is probably better now.