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The Negative Metagame - XY edition
- Thread starter Codraroll
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There are so few relevant steel types in Nega that HP Fire isn't exactly necessary. But any type can be used depending on the specific team's needs
Cottonee - HP: 110, Atk: 123, Def: 90, SpA: 113, SpD: 100, Spe: 84
Cottonee is looking pretty cool. With passable 110/90/100 defenses, base 113 Special Attack, and Prankster, I can see Cotton Guard/Growth/Moonblast/filler move, possibly Sunny Day.
Omanyte - HP: 115, Atk: 110, Def: 50, SpA: 60, SpD: 95, Spe: 115
Damn, Omanyte is badass in this. Make way for Shell Smash, Waterfall, Rock Slide/Rock Blast, and Knock Off. Weak Armor will probably be the Ability of choice, making sure nothing outside of priority outpaces it after a hit.
Cubone - HP: 100, Atk: 100, Def: 55, SpA: 110, SpD: 100, Spe: 115
This is non-TNM Marowak but better in every way. It's fairly fast, has 100 base Attack coupled with Thick Club, and usable 100/55/100 defenses. Not only that, but Cubone can put its oddly impressive special move-pool to use, since it has 110 base Special Attack.
Cottonee is looking pretty cool. With passable 110/90/100 defenses, base 113 Special Attack, and Prankster, I can see Cotton Guard/Growth/Moonblast/filler move, possibly Sunny Day.
Omanyte - HP: 115, Atk: 110, Def: 50, SpA: 60, SpD: 95, Spe: 115
Damn, Omanyte is badass in this. Make way for Shell Smash, Waterfall, Rock Slide/Rock Blast, and Knock Off. Weak Armor will probably be the Ability of choice, making sure nothing outside of priority outpaces it after a hit.
Cubone - HP: 100, Atk: 100, Def: 55, SpA: 110, SpD: 100, Spe: 115
This is non-TNM Marowak but better in every way. It's fairly fast, has 100 base Attack coupled with Thick Club, and usable 100/55/100 defenses. Not only that, but Cubone can put its oddly impressive special move-pool to use, since it has 110 base Special Attack.
Oh, then nvm then. I'll still post things here to keep it going, though.
Minccino - HP: 95, Atk: 100, Def: 110, SpA: 110, SpD: 110, Spe: 75
In this ultimate role-reverser, Minccino becomes a bulky CM sweeper. With moves like Hyper Voice/Swift (it has better PP and is Technician-boosted, hence the reason why I'm even bringing it up), Dazzling Gleam, Grass Knot, Thunderbolt, and Hidden Power (boosted by Technician, essentially giving Minccino a Flamethrower with every type except Fairy and Normal), Minccino can be a threat.
Pancham - HP: 83, Atk: 68, Def: 88, SpA: 104, SpD: 102, Spe: 107
Pancham could run Choice Specs to hit things hard with STAB Dark Pulse, Surf, Sludge Bomb, and Hidden Power Fighting (only Fighting-type special move it has). Parting Shot is slightly more useful now that Pancham gets a usable Speed, giving momentum. Just watch out for Defiant/Competitive users....
Dustox - HP: 90, Atk: 100, Def: 80, SpA: 100, SpD: 60, Spe: 85
Dustox is finally good now, yay! Quiver Dance makes Dustox's offensive presence better, and patches up its mediocre Special Defense. After a QD or two, Bug Buzz and Sludge Bomb are going to hurt. It even has recovery in Moonlight.
In this ultimate role-reverser, Minccino becomes a bulky CM sweeper. With moves like Hyper Voice/Swift (it has better PP and is Technician-boosted, hence the reason why I'm even bringing it up), Dazzling Gleam, Grass Knot, Thunderbolt, and Hidden Power (boosted by Technician, essentially giving Minccino a Flamethrower with every type except Fairy and Normal), Minccino can be a threat.
Pancham - HP: 83, Atk: 68, Def: 88, SpA: 104, SpD: 102, Spe: 107
Pancham could run Choice Specs to hit things hard with STAB Dark Pulse, Surf, Sludge Bomb, and Hidden Power Fighting (only Fighting-type special move it has). Parting Shot is slightly more useful now that Pancham gets a usable Speed, giving momentum. Just watch out for Defiant/Competitive users....
Dustox - HP: 90, Atk: 100, Def: 80, SpA: 100, SpD: 60, Spe: 85
Dustox is finally good now, yay! Quiver Dance makes Dustox's offensive presence better, and patches up its mediocre Special Defense. After a QD or two, Bug Buzz and Sludge Bomb are going to hurt. It even has recovery in Moonlight.
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Paras - HP: 115, Atk: 80, Def: 95, SpA: 105, SpD: 95, Spe: 125
125 base Speed and Spore. gg. Still not as fast as Foongus (never thought the day would come when I would say that, LOL), but it has Swords Dance and a usable 80 base Attack stat. I can already see Spore, SD, Seed Bomb, X-Scissor/Brick Break....
Pawniard - HP: 105, Atk: 65, Def: 80, SpA: 110, SpD: 110, Spe: 90
Decently fast with 90 base Speed, and 105/80/110 defenses aren't too shabby either. I could imagine this being used as a fast SR setter, although there are probably better Mons for that. Maybe it could pull off a set of Dark Pulse/Grass Knot/Hidden Power/Sucker Punch?
125 base Speed and Spore. gg. Still not as fast as Foongus (never thought the day would come when I would say that, LOL), but it has Swords Dance and a usable 80 base Attack stat. I can already see Spore, SD, Seed Bomb, X-Scissor/Brick Break....
Pawniard - HP: 105, Atk: 65, Def: 80, SpA: 110, SpD: 110, Spe: 90
Decently fast with 90 base Speed, and 105/80/110 defenses aren't too shabby either. I could imagine this being used as a fast SR setter, although there are probably better Mons for that. Maybe it could pull off a set of Dark Pulse/Grass Knot/Hidden Power/Sucker Punch?
Actually, it isn't Shedinja that is hardcoded to bypass the HP growth formula, it is 1 base HP that is hardcoded to bypass the HP growth formula. If you were to hack the game and give Shedinja more than 1 base HP, it would follow the HP growth rate as normal. So while it is true that this meta has ruled that Shedinja will always have 1 HP, the basis for that ruling is factually incorrect.
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True that. I'd like the highest HP (and stat) in the Metagame, to belong to our very OP friend. Seriously, Shed is the definition of bulk. Not even status can stop him, since he has such high HP.
On another note about 149 HP Shed, Substitute Shedinja... New, and surprisingly good, meta.
Gothita is the most broken shit ever,it has 110/120/100/95/85/105 stats, its like Mega Gengar 2.0, it can trap you, lock you into a move, set up and sweep, and all you can do is:
149 hp Shedinja tho. And what if it used toxic on your setup Gothita huh?Gothita is the most broken shit ever,it has 110/120/100/95/85/105 stats, its like Mega Gengar 2.0, it can trap you, lock you into a move, set up and sweep, and all you can do is:
Thats the only thing i can see as being a counter to it, but gothita can trap something else, kill it, and then switch out when shedinja comes in.
Anything can toxic. What if a shed shell Trapinch decided to toxic you? It can take a few hits, and then switch out whenever, and your Gothita would be stuck with the toxic (Bulky Arena Trap Trapinch)
Gothita can come in on something that cant hurt it, setup, and beat the trapinch, then proceed to sweep at least half of your team because of toxic damage, but really, i dont think any trapinches will be running toxic lol.
Bulky Trapinch might, Remember, it has the bulk of a god.
You think something can live a stab psychic at +6? dont be that guy to mention dark types
Ooh I loved this metagame back in gen 5!
Ralts appears to be really good, boasting fantastic base stats (namely defenses), Trace, as well as useful support moves!
Base Stats: HP: 122, Atk: 125, Def: 125, SpA: 105, SpD: 115, Spe: 110
Ralts @ Leftovers
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Will-O-Wisp
- Zen Headbutt
With Will-O-Wisp, great bulk, a respectable Attack stat, Wish, decent Speed, and Trace, Ralts is definitely a very fearsome wall!
Ralts appears to be really good, boasting fantastic base stats (namely defenses), Trace, as well as useful support moves!
Base Stats: HP: 122, Atk: 125, Def: 125, SpA: 105, SpD: 115, Spe: 110
Ralts @ Leftovers
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Will-O-Wisp
- Zen Headbutt
With Will-O-Wisp, great bulk, a respectable Attack stat, Wish, decent Speed, and Trace, Ralts is definitely a very fearsome wall!