Mr.E
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yo I just see this topic, sorry if I'm late to the party so eh I can only say so much that isn't repeated a million times by now
If you ban the Normals for being too good and the Psychics for being too good and Wrap and Sleep and... Uhh, you're just playing UU now. Looks like everyone else already noticed and this topic became a shitshow real quick, though.
Snorlax isn't even that bulky when you consider that most Psychics usually 3HKO it (with Special drops or crits, though Zam can without), most physical attackers 3HKO it, and it's slower than everything so it's always going to get hit twice (or eat status from even the likes of Eggy and Lapras) before firing off an attack if not double switched in. It can hard even beat Chansey since that's just a Freeze waiting to happen. It's honestly insane how overrated Snorlax is, it's only "good" because Selfdestruct ultimately near-guarantees it trades when it inevitably does nothing else useful. Why does Snorlax always checks Snorlax? It's not really because Snorlax is oh-so-unstoppable, it's because Snorlax is the worst mon on most people's teams to give up the trade. It's uncool when Lax chunks 85% out of your Tauros because Tauros is actually good... eh, just throw your own Lax at it instead.
Lax rant done, more generally you just seem to hate Normal-types for not interacting much with the type chart. Zam is a better duelist than Tauros, it just isn't as good a cleaner in the context of a 6v6 match because its fellow Psychic types all resist one another, plus Chansey being Chansey, whereas Tauros doesn't resist Tauros. The biggest threat Chansey presents is that it'll eventually Freeze something, since it sure isn't actually killing anything. The Psychics are just as broken as the Normals, the only difference is that they keep each other in check instead of tear each other apart.
Sleep is obviously broken, that's literally why Sleep Clause exists. Broken enough to ban entirely? Eh. Sleep move distribution is low (choice in teambuilding), they're inaccurate (initial risk), and there is even some strategy in the players trying to maneuver their switches in such a way as to minimize its negative impact on their battle plans. I don't like how the modern metagame has developed into basically sleep leads + Zam but I don't consider dislike for whether I think something should be banned.
If you ban the Normals for being too good and the Psychics for being too good and Wrap and Sleep and... Uhh, you're just playing UU now. Looks like everyone else already noticed and this topic became a shitshow real quick, though.
It’s pretty clear that with the release of Gen 8 RBY faces the threat of removal from official tournaments, and even if the slow development of low tiers will probably keep this tier alive for SPL11, it will be no doubt removed in future editions if nothing changes. I want to try and work out a way to save this tier in time - we have one year to make changes and one SPL11 to prove that RBY can be good before we get axed forever, the optimist in me wants to believe that we can make this time count and change enough minds in time for SPL12.
14-16 slots problem solved and literally everyone on this website that isn't part of the TD team seems to want this.Again, format quality has nothing to do with RBY getting dropped, and it won't affect GSC getting dropped either. This has been the plan for a year and a half now. The Tournament Policy forum would be the place to try to change that. You don't need to "fix" RBY, just come up with a 12-slot alternative that the TDs agree with. Heads up that increasing the number of formats wasn't on the table back then and probably still is not being considered.
Snorlax isn't even that bulky when you consider that most Psychics usually 3HKO it (with Special drops or crits, though Zam can without), most physical attackers 3HKO it, and it's slower than everything so it's always going to get hit twice (or eat status from even the likes of Eggy and Lapras) before firing off an attack if not double switched in. It can hard even beat Chansey since that's just a Freeze waiting to happen. It's honestly insane how overrated Snorlax is, it's only "good" because Selfdestruct ultimately near-guarantees it trades when it inevitably does nothing else useful. Why does Snorlax always checks Snorlax? It's not really because Snorlax is oh-so-unstoppable, it's because Snorlax is the worst mon on most people's teams to give up the trade. It's uncool when Lax chunks 85% out of your Tauros because Tauros is actually good... eh, just throw your own Lax at it instead.
Lax rant done, more generally you just seem to hate Normal-types for not interacting much with the type chart. Zam is a better duelist than Tauros, it just isn't as good a cleaner in the context of a 6v6 match because its fellow Psychic types all resist one another, plus Chansey being Chansey, whereas Tauros doesn't resist Tauros. The biggest threat Chansey presents is that it'll eventually Freeze something, since it sure isn't actually killing anything. The Psychics are just as broken as the Normals, the only difference is that they keep each other in check instead of tear each other apart.
Sleep is obviously broken, that's literally why Sleep Clause exists. Broken enough to ban entirely? Eh. Sleep move distribution is low (choice in teambuilding), they're inaccurate (initial risk), and there is even some strategy in the players trying to maneuver their switches in such a way as to minimize its negative impact on their battle plans. I don't like how the modern metagame has developed into basically sleep leads + Zam but I don't consider dislike for whether I think something should be banned.
Does there need to be another reason? I don't like how we're trying to change SPL into something it originally wasn't. The whole point was to play all OUs in a standard team format, a spiritual successor to the Sneak tournies of old or to be seen as a non-regional version of the old interboard tournies and WCOP. RBY OU should be kept in SPL because it's literally not SPL anymore if you change it, it's just a new tourney with the same label.Honestly, it's a bit amusing that you criticize some of the best players this tier has seen by claiming they're being "stubborn about their traditions" when you have failed to provide a single good point as to why RBY should be kept in SPL for any reason other than tradition in the first place. Is there any reason this tier is kept in our tournaments other than the fact it's been part of them historically?
Don't blame the tier for team managers having severe brain damage to where they don't even buy good, regular players of the tier.I would also gladly take your finger when gsc gets axed from spl too. The old guard of the tier is getting old, which i think is becoming apparent as of this spl, and while lavos, bkc, and whoever else may be big fans of it while proving they are also some of the best players on this site, they alone don't make up a full competitive field.