BSS Support Gardevoir [QC 1/1][GP 2/2]

[Photon]

This thing is an absolute unit.

[SET]
name: Bulky Offense
move 1: Moonblast
move 2: Mystical Fire
move 3: Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Psyshock / Psychic
item: Sitrus Berry
tera type: Fire
ability: Trace
nature: Bold
evs: 244 HP / 244 Def / 20 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

* Between using Trace to cancel Ruin abilities and burning foes with Will-O-Wisp, Gardevoir can overwhelm some of the meta's strongest physical sweepers.

* **Will-O-Wisp**: Beyond crippling physical attackers for the remainder of the match, the passive burn damage breaks Focus Sash on Chien-Pao and Multiscale on Dragonite.

* **Psyshock versus Psychic**: The choice of Psychic-type STAB comes down to what you need to hit hardest. Psyshock is the best option into Flutter Mane, Iron Moth, and Clodsire, while Psychic puts more pressure on Toxapex and many variants of Bulk Up Annihilape.

Other Options
========

* **Sitrus Berry versus Pinch Berry**: Sitrus Berry is normally the preferred recovery item for bulky Gardevoir sets, but it is a highly sought-after item. If needed elsewhere, Gardevoir's bulk profile is strong enough that running a pinch Berry can work.

Tera Types
========

* **Tera Dependency - Low**: Using Tera usually improves common matchups like Flutter Mane and is certainly an option if a target is deemed high enough priority. Otherwise, Gardevor's impressive suite of defensive attributes combined with excellent STAB coverage are great as is.

* **Fire**: Tera Fire’s resistances to Ice, Steel, and Fairy are all excellent, greatly improving the matchups against Flutter Mane, Scizor, and Kingambit. Tera boosted Mystical Fire will also 2HKO maximum HP Kingambit without Assault Vest.

* **Fairy**: Tera Fairy can patch up this set's lacking power by boosting Moonblast, and the removal of Gardevoir's Psychic typing makes dealing with opposing Ghost-types like Flutter Mane and Mimikyu more manageable.

* **Normal**: Tera Normal's defensive attributes are lacking overall, but nullifying a key Ghost-type attack from the likes of Flutter Mane and Mimikyu can give an opening to deal extra damage or inflict a crucial burn.

EV Spreads
========

* The spreads listed below all have an even HP stat to guarantee that Sitrus Berry activates after getting hit by Ruination. All spreads are also capable of surviving one unboosted Shadow Ball from Flutter Mane.

* **244 HP / 244 Def / 20 Spe**: Near maximum HP and Defense gives Gardevoir fantastic defensive calcs; after Sitrus Berry recovery and inflicting a turn 1 burn, Gardevoir has a strong chance of avoiding the 3HKO from Focus Sash Chien-Pao's Icicle Crash and Assault Vest Ting-Lu's Heavy Slam. The Speed investment outspeeds maximum Speed Adamant Kingambit.

* **244 HP / 204 Def / 60 Spe**: A little extra Speed investment lets Gardevoir outspeed defensive Gholdengo with 20 Speed EVs, but Gardevoir is much less likely to avoid the 3HKOs mentioned in the main spread.

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[Omastar68]

I'm bored so looking hard for something to add lol. I think the 1st bullet should emphasize not just wisp, but the lowering of SpA with mystical fire and maybe moonblast, as well as the higher SpD to start. Wisp misses unlike mystical fire, so some eloquent way to say she has durability on both sides, rather than making it sound like she's more for phys stuff, cause I don't think that's strictly true and people looking might get confused idk. Hope that helps a little. I like the moves, can't really see others to suggest.

 

[Photon]

I think the 1st bullet should emphasize not just wisp, but the lowering of SpA with mystical fire and maybe moonblast, as well as the higher SpD to start. Wisp misses unlike mystical fire, so some eloquent way to say she has durability on both sides, rather than making it sound like she's more for phys stuff, cause I don't think that's strictly true and people looking might get confused idk.

Except that's exactly what this set is for. Its literally built for beating Chien-Pao, Ting-Lu and Dragonite.

To elaborate, prioritization is key when writing set descriptions. Yes, there are lots of things Gardevoir can do, but the focus should be on things that the set is specifically built to beat or counter. Will-O-Wisp is mentioned primarily because of its interaction with Focus Sash (and Multiscale,) which fundamentally affects the matchup into Chien-Pao. Its a variation on the "just attack twice" or "attack + priority move" strategy often employed to beat Focus Sash users, and therefore is worth singling out.

Now, Gardevoir's Special Defense is still important, but there is an art to saying something without actually saying it. Yes, there are times when you should just state something plainly, but being able to say a lot with a little is important. The unnecessarily fluffy thing to say would be, "Gardevoir has really high Special Defense too." A lot of readers will already know that, so that isn't really helpful. The eloquent way, as you put it, is to reference something like this:

* The spreads listed below all have an even HP number to guarantee that Sitrus Berry procs after getting hit by Ruination. All spreads are also capable of surviving one unboosted Shadow Ball from Flutter Mane.

Surviving Shadow Ball from Flutter Mane is my way of saying she's got decent special bulk without explicitly saying it. Plus, this is far more insightful to the reader because it references a matchup to a very common threat in Flutter Mane and demonstrates a scenario where Gardevoir survives a super-effective hit on the special side.

Statements like those give context and help players make connections to things that actually happen in game. That's critical for someone trying to learn a game as information-heavy and dynamic as Pokemon.

 

[Thick Fat Azumarill]

This is cool, but any mention of AV? That's the most common item on it at moment, but ig it could be different enough in practice to warrant its own set. QC approved!

 

[Photon]

This is cool, but any mention of AV? That's the most common item on it at moment., but ig it could be different enough in practice to warrant its own set. QC approved!

Yes, Assault Vest is listed on the Offensive set that still needs a write-up. Will-O-Wisp is pretty integral to what this set seeks to accomplish, so its not a reasonable slash to have here.

 

[Thick Fat Azumarill]

I see I see, that's fair.

Also tagging GP Team now

 

[Deezcastforms]

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This thing is an absolute unit. I'm going to assume this isn't part of the actual analysis

[SET]
name: The Best Offense is a Good Defense!
move 1: Moonblast
move 2: Mystical Fire
move 3: Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Psyshock / Psychic
item: Sitrus Berry
tera type: Fire
ability: Trace
nature: Bold
evs: 244 HP / 244 Def / 20 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

* Between using Trace to cancel Ruin abilities and burning foes with Will-O-Wisp, Gardevoir can overwhelm some of the meta's strongest physical sweepers! (REP) . (AP)

* **Will-O-Wisp**: Beyond crippling physical attackers for the remainder of the match, the passive burn damage breaks Focus Sash on Chien-Pao and Multiscale on Dragonite.

* **Psyshock versus Psychic**: The choice of Psychic-type STAB move comes down to what you need to hit hardest. Psyshock is the best option into Flutter Mane, Iron Moth and Clodsire, while Psychic puts bigger pressure on Toxapex and many variants of Bulk Up Annihilape.

Other Options
========

* **Sitrus Berry versus p Pinch Berry**: Sitrus Berry is normally the preferred recovery item for bulky Gardevoir sets, but it is a highly sought-after item. Just name the other option itself in bold. If needed elsewhere, Gardevoir's bulk profile is strong enough that running a pinch Berry isn’t as big a a big risk. "as big a" implies that something else is also risky.

Tera Types
========

* **Tera Dependency - Low**: Using Tera usually improves common matchups like Flutter Mane, and is certainly an option if a target is deemed high enough priority. Otherwise, Gardevor's impressive suite of defensive attributes combined with excellent STAB coverage are great as-(RH)is. if the compound adjective or adverb comes before the noun or verb it modifies, it should be hyphenated, and if after, it should not be.

* **Fire**: Tera Fire’s resistances to Ice, Steel and Fairy are all excellent, greatly improving the matchups against Flutter Mane, Scizor, (AC) and Kingambit. Tera boosted Mystical Fire will also 2HKO Mmax HP Kingambit that aren't running without Assault Vest. Subjective, this seems smoother.

* **Fairy**: Tera Fairy can patch up this set's lacking power by boosting Moonblast, and the removal of Gardevoir's Psychic-(RH)typing makes dealing with opposing Ghost-types like Flutter Mane and Mimikyu more manageable. No hyphen for "X typing," only "X-type"

* **Normal**: Tera Normal's defensive attributes are lacking overall, but nullifying a key Ghost-type attack from the likes of Flutter Mane or Mimikyu can give an opening to deal extra damage or inflict a crucial burn.

EV Spreads
========

* The spreads listed below all have an even HP number stat to guarantee that Sitrus Berry procs activates after getting hit by Ruination. All spreads are also capable of surviving one unboosted Shadow Ball from Flutter Mane.

* **244 HP / 244 Def / 20 Spe**: Near maximum HP and Defense gives Gardevoir fantastic defensive calcs bulk; after Sitrus Berry recovery and inflicting a turn one burn, Gardevoir has a strong chance of avoiding the 3HKO from Focus Sash Chien-Pao's Icicle Crash and Assault Vest Ting-Lu's Heavy Slam. The Speed investment outspeeds max Speed Adamant Kingambit.

* **244 HP / 204 Def / 60 Spe**: A little extra Speed investment lets Gardevoir outspeed defensive 20 Speed Gholdengo with 20 Speed EVs, but Gardevoir is much less likely to avoid the 3HKO's mentioned in the main spread.

Sabelette

 

[autumn]

1/1 GP Team done

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[SET]
name: The Best Offense is a Good Defense! (i'd really recommend changing this to something vagely descriptive)
move 1: Moonblast
move 2: Mystical Fire
move 3: Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Psyshock / Psychic
item: Sitrus Berry
tera type: Fire
ability: Trace
nature: Bold
evs: 244 HP / 244 Def / 20 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

* Between using Trace to cancel Ruin abilities and burning foes with Will-O-Wisp, Gardevoir can overwhelm some of the meta's strongest physical sweepers! (REP) . (AP)

* **Will-O-Wisp**: Beyond crippling physical attackers for the remainder of the match, the passive burn damage breaks Focus Sash on Chien-Pao and Multiscale on Dragonite.

* **Psyshock versus Psychic**: The choice of Psychic-type STAB move comes down to what you need to hit hardest. Psyshock is the best option into Flutter Mane, Iron Moth, (AC) and Clodsire, while Psychic puts bigger more pressure on Toxapex and many variants of Bulk Up Annihilape.

Other Options
========

* **Sitrus Berry versus Pinch Berry**: (implement this if it's the best way to handle the section - the change removes the contrast of one item vs another item, but it does make sense in the context of other options because sitrus is on the main set) Sitrus Berry is normally the preferred recovery item for bulky Gardevoir sets, but it is a highly sought-after item. If needed elsewhere, Gardevoir's bulk profile is strong enough that running a pinch Berry isn’t as big a a big risk. "as big a" implies that something else is also risky.

Tera Types
========

* **Tera Dependency - Low**: Using Tera usually improves common matchups like Flutter Mane (RC) and is certainly an option if a target is deemed high enough priority. Otherwise, Gardevor's impressive suite of defensive attributes combined with excellent STAB coverage are great as-(RH)is. if the compound adjective or adverb comes before the noun or verb it modifies, it should be hyphenated, and if after, it should not be.

* **Fire**: Tera Fire’s resistances to Ice, Steel, (AC) and Fairy are all excellent, greatly improving the matchups against Flutter Mane, Scizor, (AC) and Kingambit. Tera boosted Mystical Fire will also 2HKO Mmaximum HP Kingambit that aren't running without Assault Vest. Subjective, this seems smoother. (optional)

* **Fairy**: Tera Fairy can patch up this set's lacking power by boosting Moonblast, and the removal of Gardevoir's Psychic-(RH) typing makes dealing with opposing Ghost-types like Flutter Mane and Mimikyu more manageable. No hyphen for "X typing," only "X-type"

* **Normal**: Tera Normal's defensive attributes are lacking overall, but nullifying a key Ghost-type attack from the likes of Flutter Mane or and Mimikyu can give an opening to deal extra damage or inflict a crucial burn.

EV Spreads
========

* The spreads listed below all have an even HP number stat to guarantee that Sitrus Berry procs activates after getting hit by Ruination. All spreads are also capable of surviving one unboosted Shadow Ball from Flutter Mane.

* **244 HP / 244 Def / 20 Spe**: Near maximum HP and Defense gives Gardevoir fantastic defensive calcs bulk; after Sitrus Berry recovery and inflicting a turn one turn 1 burn, Gardevoir has a strong chance of avoiding the 3HKO from Focus Sash Chien-Pao's Icicle Crash and Assault Vest Ting-Lu's Heavy Slam. The Speed investment outspeeds maximum Speed Adamant Kingambit.

* **244 HP / 204 Def / 60 Spe**: A little extra Speed investment lets Gardevoir outspeed defensive 20 Speed Gholdengo with 20 Speed EVs, but Gardevoir is much less likely to avoid the 3HKO's 3HKOs mentioned in the main spread. (idk if you should be using this one bc its entirely speed creep and analyses shouldn't ev based on creep)

notes

- As GP, you shouldn't be altering the content of an analysis in any way, as that has been checked by people who play the meta and can verify things. If you make content changes, that level of verification is gone and your changes could end up misinterpreting the point. By removing Sitrus Berry vs Pinch Berry, you've changed content by removing the comparison of the two items, weighing up which one to use. The section header now implies it's just an explanation for pinch berries, which isn't the case. The change makes some sense considering it's unde other options, but if you want to alter content, you should always comment instead of rewriting so writers with meta knowledge can address the suggestion.
- Smogon uses the Oxford comma (comma before and in a list of three or more).
- Commas before 'and' 'but' 'or' are only needed when both clauses are independent. If only one is independent, the comma isn't needed.
- Max -> maximum; the full word should be written out. The same applies to minimum too.
- If you make subjective changes, they should be justified more than 'this sounds better'. GP aims to preserve the writer's voice as much as possible, and small subjective changes like that may sound better to you, but they may not to the writer, and this can take away their ability to choose phrasing.

 

[Deezcastforms]

notes

- As GP, you shouldn't be altering the content of an analysis in any way, as that has been checked by people who play the meta and can verify things. If you make content changes, that level of verification is gone and your changes could end up misinterpreting the point. By removing Sitrus Berry vs Pinch Berry, you've changed content by removing the comparison of the two items, weighing up which one to use. The section header now implies it's just an explanation for pinch berries, which isn't the case. The change makes some sense considering it's unde other options, but if you want to alter content, you should always comment instead of rewriting so writers with meta knowledge can address the suggestion.
- Smogon uses the Oxford comma (comma before and in a list of three or more).
- Commas before 'and' 'but' 'or' are only needed when both clauses are independent. If only one is independent, the comma isn't needed.
- Max -> maximum; the full word should be written out. The same applies to minimum too.
- If you make subjective changes, they should be justified more than 'this sounds better'. GP aims to preserve the writer's voice as much as possible, and small subjective changes like that may sound better to you, but they may not to the writer, and this can take away their ability to choose phrasing.

response to feedback

- Could've sworn I did. I remember having a bit of trouble with how I wanted to word it, so I wonder if I decided to come back to it later and forgot, or something like that.
- I know. I just clean missed that one.
- My GP tutor Sabelette already wants to strangle the US public education system over commas because of me.
- Noted
- Sabelette was telling me that it was okay to make subjective changes that cut down on unnecessary extra word to make it more concise, which is what I was trying to accomplish with this. She also told me that short, more common/less flowery phrases don't have author's voice apllied as strongly to them, so they're more OK to alter.

 

[Photon]

1/1 GP Team done

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[SET]
name: The Best Offense is a Good Defense! (i'd really recommend changing this to something vagely descriptive)
move 1: Moonblast
move 2: Mystical Fire
move 3: Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Psyshock / Psychic
item: Sitrus Berry
tera type: Fire
ability: Trace
nature: Bold
evs: 244 HP / 244 Def / 20 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

* Between using Trace to cancel Ruin abilities and burning foes with Will-O-Wisp, Gardevoir can overwhelm some of the meta's strongest physical sweepers! (REP) . (AP)

* **Will-O-Wisp**: Beyond crippling physical attackers for the remainder of the match, the passive burn damage breaks Focus Sash on Chien-Pao and Multiscale on Dragonite.

* **Psyshock versus Psychic**: The choice of Psychic-type STAB move comes down to what you need to hit hardest. Psyshock is the best option into Flutter Mane, Iron Moth, (AC) and Clodsire, while Psychic puts bigger more pressure on Toxapex and many variants of Bulk Up Annihilape.

Other Options
========

* **Sitrus Berry versus Pinch Berry**: (implement this if it's the best way to handle the section - the change removes the contrast of one item vs another item, but it does make sense in the context of other options because sitrus is on the main set) Sitrus Berry is normally the preferred recovery item for bulky Gardevoir sets, but it is a highly sought-after item. If needed elsewhere, Gardevoir's bulk profile is strong enough that running a pinch Berry isn’t as big a a big risk. "as big a" implies that something else is also risky.

Tera Types
========

* **Tera Dependency - Low**: Using Tera usually improves common matchups like Flutter Mane (RC) and is certainly an option if a target is deemed high enough priority. Otherwise, Gardevor's impressive suite of defensive attributes combined with excellent STAB coverage are great as-(RH)is. if the compound adjective or adverb comes before the noun or verb it modifies, it should be hyphenated, and if after, it should not be.

* **Fire**: Tera Fire’s resistances to Ice, Steel, (AC) and Fairy are all excellent, greatly improving the matchups against Flutter Mane, Scizor, (AC) and Kingambit. Tera boosted Mystical Fire will also 2HKO Mmaximum HP Kingambit that aren't running without Assault Vest. Subjective, this seems smoother. (optional)

* **Fairy**: Tera Fairy can patch up this set's lacking power by boosting Moonblast, and the removal of Gardevoir's Psychic-(RH) typing makes dealing with opposing Ghost-types like Flutter Mane and Mimikyu more manageable. No hyphen for "X typing," only "X-type"

* **Normal**: Tera Normal's defensive attributes are lacking overall, but nullifying a key Ghost-type attack from the likes of Flutter Mane or and Mimikyu can give an opening to deal extra damage or inflict a crucial burn.

EV Spreads
========

* The spreads listed below all have an even HP number stat to guarantee that Sitrus Berry procs activates after getting hit by Ruination. All spreads are also capable of surviving one unboosted Shadow Ball from Flutter Mane.

* **244 HP / 244 Def / 20 Spe**: Near maximum HP and Defense gives Gardevoir fantastic defensive calcs bulk; after Sitrus Berry recovery and inflicting a turn one turn 1 burn, Gardevoir has a strong chance of avoiding the 3HKO from Focus Sash Chien-Pao's Icicle Crash and Assault Vest Ting-Lu's Heavy Slam. The Speed investment outspeeds maximum Speed Adamant Kingambit.

* **244 HP / 204 Def / 60 Spe**: A little extra Speed investment lets Gardevoir outspeed defensive 20 Speed Gholdengo with 20 Speed EVs, but Gardevoir is much less likely to avoid the 3HKO's 3HKOs mentioned in the main spread. (idk if you should be using this one bc its entirely speed creep and analyses shouldn't ev based on creep)

notes

- As GP, you shouldn't be altering the content of an analysis in any way, as that has been checked by people who play the meta and can verify things. If you make content changes, that level of verification is gone and your changes could end up misinterpreting the point. By removing Sitrus Berry vs Pinch Berry, you've changed content by removing the comparison of the two items, weighing up which one to use. The section header now implies it's just an explanation for pinch berries, which isn't the case. The change makes some sense considering it's unde other options, but if you want to alter content, you should always comment instead of rewriting so writers with meta knowledge can address the suggestion.
- Smogon uses the Oxford comma (comma before and in a list of three or more).
- Commas before 'and' 'but' 'or' are only needed when both clauses are independent. If only one is independent, the comma isn't needed.
- Max -> maximum; the full word should be written out. The same applies to minimum too.
- If you make subjective changes, they should be justified more than 'this sounds better'. GP aims to preserve the writer's voice as much as possible, and small subjective changes like that may sound better to you, but they may not to the writer, and this can take away their ability to choose phrasing.

To clarify about that second EV spread: 20 Speed EVs is the standard for defensive Gholdengo (to outspeed Dragapult after paralysis,) which is why its included. Is there a more elegant way I should be addressing it? Should I indicate that 20 EVs is the standard for defensive Gholdengo?

 

[DerpySuX]

Seeing as this has been grammar checked and no replies to change anything for almost a week, I have posted this on site and any further edits can be submitted to BSS C&C mods directly