NOC Smogon Rewind Night 3

[apricity]

I don't think mafia even sends their tracker on their nightkill so I assume that Clarinet is town. If TBZ flips scum and there is no 3p we can just win off PoE with your roleblock and Clarinet's track. The problem is that if Energy flips town the PoE literally becomes a bunch of townies that I don't want to lynch, but one of them will have to be scum.

I feel like VigVig loverizing Drookez N1 never happens though, so if Rad and Whydon aren't a part of his death I'm not sure what to expect?

yeah

i've also been thinking about whether or not to explicitly claim my night action for tomorrow

my options are:
1. dont claim night action, so if tbz flips scum i'm probably cleared and then if scum shoot me, i don't get to tell you guys who i blocked (which would be a clear, probably)
2. claim night action. i really don't think a 5th mafia member exists. i don't think that tommy puts a dayvig AND a governor AND gives mafia 5 people so the setup is 12-5. like that does not seem anywhere close to balanced. like, there might exist 5 people without town wincon but i think they are never on the same team. so basically:
2a. claim night action, tbz flips 3rd party: mafia have two members left on their team so they can choose who to send on the kill so at that point my claim should be ignored. i can't see how tbz flips 3rd party though given the lack of NK
2b. claim night action, tbz flips scum: mafia should have at most one member left on team so they can't choose who to send on the kill. so technically i can clear people with my roleblocker

so i think i like claiming night action? but then i think about
will mafia idle to frame? well, if they do, we can always just no lynch again and reevaluate? since i can target the same person multiple times in a row
will 3rd party kill? i have no clue lmao

 

[realiti]

How do you think VigVig died?

 

[realiti]

Because if it's Rad/Whydon I think they shoot Former N2

 

[realiti]

CaffeineBoost you have any thoughts?

I'm not really sure what to really say at this point. I don't have anyone I want to push and the lynch is pretty much 100% set. I don't think there's reason for me/Whydon/Rad to claim, and it's unlikely that we're going to change Energy's mind on claiming. Honestly, I don't mind hammering TBZ early even though Day 3 was a disaster just to move the game along.

 

[apricity]

How do you think VigVig died?

i'm guessing he loverized n1, i don't understand why, but introducing additional layers of assumptions is a lot more iffy than "vigvig used his role on night 1"

 

[apricity]

CaffeineBoost you have any thoughts?

I'm not really sure what to really say at this point. I don't have anyone I want to push and the lynch is pretty much 100% set. I don't think there's reason for me/Whydon/Rad to claim, and it's unlikely that we're going to change Energy's mind on claiming. Honestly, I don't mind hammering TBZ early even though Day 3 was a disaster just to move the game along.

i don't think you three should claim now either. i think if tbz flips scum, then we massclaim tomorrow to close out the game. but i do want whydon and cameron to check in, just to make sure that they didn't have anything to do with stopping the kill

 

[Duskfall98]

Last night I asked what type of deadline people wanted following the hammer that was placed on d3. Only one response was given so the default is to not shorten the day if this was unclear, meaning the day would be a little of 3 irl days.

If you want the day shortened please make that clear to me or else I will be assuming that you wish for the days in the game to remain longer!

I will not be shortening the day after I go to sleep tonight, as doing so would be too late in the phase to shorten.

 

[apricity]

please shorten

 

[XnadrojX]

Vote ThunderBallZ

I think the game is pretty much settled, we have enough lynches to cover the scumpool between night actions and hal/tbz/energy all resolving one another.

 

[Laurel]

maybe/????

when laurel asked about roleblcokers stopping kills, i think that was the first time in this game where i whiplashed on a slot i previously thought was town.

there's this game that some people here play (eli, tommy, myself, laurel, cameron, jordan) called EIMM. it's basically a free for all mafia. so everyone gets their own role, and everyone can talk to each other in private, and everyone's win condition is to be one of the last X people alive (say, 3). everyone has a shot, and everyone starts with something like 3 bulletproof vests

laurel plays that game a lot. he tries pretty hard to win in those games (as opposed to his performance in NOC). he knows what mechanics exist in mafia. he KNOWS how a roleblocker works

I die n1 in every eimm game so i dont exactly know how it works.

 

[Laurel]

I can clear myself very easily so I recommend not FOSing me

 

[Laurel]

If this is town Hal is killing me so we 100% lynch him tomorrow

vote TBZ

 

[apricity]

Vote ThunderBallZ

I think the game is pretty much settled, we have enough lynches to cover the scumpool between night actions and hal/tbz/energy all resolving one another.

hi

please wait for cameron and whydon to check in

thanks!

 

[Whydon]

There’s nothing I could’ve done to interfere with blocking a kill

 

[apricity]

3P1K please check in so we can end the day

 

[Panic Station]

Checking in real quick. My existence as a habitually afk person has not yet ended today. And you can expect more of that tomorrow.

 

[apricity]

3P1K 3P1K

 

[Panic Station]

when Thunder first claimed jkeeper, I instantly thought of mafia because it's often a mafia role, rarely if ever town has a jkeeper but it happens

I guess Tommy likes to be unusual

Depends on the type of keeper imo. When it has execution power, JK is Townsided.

 

[Panic Station]

apricity Ping me sometime with reasons why mafia would use hammer removal if they had it.

 

[Panic Station]

for the record i changed my actions last night from caff, to clarinet, to laurel, to clarinet, to tbz LMAO

which gives you an idea of where my reads are at

Give me more of an idea of where your head is at, imo. This is the kind of ping ponging I sometimes do as a Town PR.

 

[Panic Station]

Ebwop: gives

 

[Panic Station]

The problem is that if Energy flips town the PoE literally becomes a bunch of townies that I don't want to lynch, but one of them will have to be scum.

That's the part where we roll up our sleeves and iso everyone for reevaluation.

 

[apricity]

apricity Ping me sometime with reasons why mafia would use hammer removal if they had it.

i'm not thinking about hammer removal. i'm thinking much more about how on earth this game is balanced if scum have a dayvig and a vengeful.

 

[apricity]

Give me more of an idea of where your head is at, imo. This is the kind of ping ponging I sometimes do as a Town PR.

so i guess i'm at:

dont' want to touch cameron or knights

have reasonably stronger reads on uto and whydon and caff

don't want to touch clarinet or jordan due to roles

which leaves ONLY laurel, if my block was a guilty on TBZ

 

[Laurel]

apricity because i’m town, who is mafia after TBZ? Ty