Dark Void. If you think that Moody is the main problem, you're wrong.
D.a.r.k. V.o.i.d.
No idea what you mean by that or how a Cresselia would save a Freeze-Dry, Perish Song, Rest, Sleep Talk Lapras from a Close Combat, but whatever. A dead Lapras is a Lapras without a singing voice.
They lose their buffs and Moody. Now what? You still ain't doing much of anything to those bulky tanks. Especially with a Wobby on the field. That being said, I completely agree with you that Wobby is horrible in this environment and I don't see a Wobbuffet Perish Trap team doing well in this metagame.
Comparing this to VGC14 makes no sense. These are vastly different metagames. Mr. Mime might not look like a threat to you and it is far from top tier anything, but if it gets that Psych Up off, it could be good and immune to Perish Song.
Metagross and Scizor being big kinda fucks it up very badly though. Agreed.
I've seen weirder stuff do serious work on the Sinnoh Classic ladder.
Pissing someone off does not mean easy win. I know this... I've been running Smeargle for the past 24 hours and played like 100 games with it in this format.
I've encountered Haze maybe 5 times and neither of those times were my opponents able to back it up with adequate offensive pressure to actually make it hard for me to fish for Scald burns, Tri Attack hax or wear them down with Icy Wind.
Murkrow would probably feel like a wasted teamslot against any matchup that isn't outright cancer 101. I also wouldn't expect many Moody Entrainment Smeargle during the actual competition on cartridge, since that would be very annoying to use and keep track off, but you never know. Good luck with that.
Regular Hearcross? Well it hits hard and learns Feint. I haven't seen anyone use it on the PS! ladder yet, so I don't know how viable it is. If it works for you, great.
Does absolutely nothing if the opponent is down to his last two mons. Invites Smeargle to Dark Void for free. Meh.
One on one, yes. This is doubles where that Gengar would often end up getting Icy Wind'd and then put to sleep or killed. Could work. Could also backfire hard.
Weavile and Scizor are both big here. Gengar hates them both with a burning passion. Especially if it's some weird support move Gengar with little offense.
I've been doing Doubles for longer than Dark Void's un-ban. I know how to handle Dark Void, lol. Yes, it's a constant threat / pain in the ass, but measures like Chesto, Lum, Taunt, Sub, and Safeguard have all existed long before it was unbanned. There are, much to my dismay, zero Prankster + Safeguard mons, which stings, but I guess the "backup" of Lum + Safeguard will have to do. Lapras gets it but I probably won't run that specifically.
Cress? I meant that most Fighting types greatly dislike Cress, and even when she's asleep they have trouble breaking it. Helps deter Fighting for Lapras, or a switchin if needed. Not like Smeargle is helping much aside from possible Super Fang or switching out.
Magmar and Electabuzz might be funny though :P
VGC14 was radically different: the point is, that was the most success I have EVER seen for Mr. Mime outside of the Daycare, and it was still a pretty sad performance. "it could be good" with a bunch of Moody boosts applies to damn near everything in the game, lol.
Scizor and Metagross seem really good though, yeah.
By "Pissing off" I meant "rendering the last x amount of turns boosting useless while I pummel them to death and overall they accomplish much less than I do".
As for the fishing after: that's another reason I run Safeguard on almost every team. Fuck fishing. :P
Murkrow still offers T-Wave, and as we've seen from Thundurus in every meta ever, Prankster T-Wave is highly spammable and singlehandedly justifies a team slot alone for basically everyone who uses it: which is a lot of people. STAB Foul Play is cool too. Not a great mon overall, this is obvious, but considering the limited pool of Pranksters available, Murkrow really is among the very best. I mean, it's competing with Volbeat, Illumise, Riolu, and Sableye.
Heracross, nuh. It does get Feint but base Speed is just too iffy if you don't have solid Speed domination like Icy Wind + T-Wave. I run Scarf usually; hits stupidly hard, and checks fast things like Weavile. Bulky mons like Cress and Suicune get to stomach repeated Megahorns and such. Lack of Fairies in the meta massively buffs it, and no megas = highly spammable Knock Off, just like Weavile. Excellent mon, imo, but it's a big toss up between Hera and Scizor.
Roar isn't the best, but it's /something/ if anyone neeeds it. I mostly advocated it as a PerishTrap deterrent for BSD but it also works against stat buffs to some extent.
Gengar could be interesting. Besides my above post, it also has Icy Wind, and Scizor must always consider HP Fire (even if it is rare). It's always been a really nasty foe in Doubles, so if/when we get Viability ranks up I'd keep an eye out for Gengar. Very disruptive, and one of the faster attackers available right now. No shortage of checks (Weavile, Scizor, even Metagross can Zen Headbutt + bullet Punch) but imo could be good overall. It's just something I've been thinking about but haven't seen discussion on yet.
Ah, and discussion wise, what do we think of:
- Gengar (elaborated in last two posts)
- Gyarados (DD sweeper, or bulky Intimidate mon, or both)
- Skarmory (not joking)
- Togekiss (redirect, T-Wave, Tailwind, hax)
- Espeon (nasty with boosts, immune to Dark Void, Yawn)
- Latios / Latias (Stored power, CM booster set, Latias can run an array of support sets too like Icy Wind/T-Wave/Tailwind/Screens/etc)
- Hippowdon (sand inducer, good physical tank, Yawn, Whirlwind)
- Drapion / Houndoom / Honchkrow (the only other remotely decent Dark mons that can hit Cress / ghosts)
- Staraptor (Best bird ever, used Brave Bird before it was cool, Talonflame doesn't exist, Intimidate and Tailwind supports, Reckless STAB LO death machine and only good Flying coverage on the market, Final Gambit Scarf set)
Beyond obvious, good stuff like Weavile and Infernape.
