========RMT=========(OU 6v6 single)

[fostmeister]

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Hippowdon@leftovers
impish
252 hp/ 252 defense/ 6 atk
-earthquake
-ice fang/roar
-slack off
-stealth rock

Great physical wall. Can counter choice band outrage garchomp sort of. It just slacks off all the damage until chomp gets confused. Then if I get the chance, ice fang. Maybe roar for phazing. Stealth rock for switching opponents.

Weezing@ leftovers
bold
hp: 252/ defense: 252/ spec attack: 6
-fire blast
-thunderbolt
-will-o-wisp
-pain-split

Great physical wall. I don't know if flamethrower 2hkos heracross. If not then I'll go with fire blast. yeah, my heracross counter. Will o wisp for physical sweepers. My gyarados counter with thunderbolt. Pain split for health recovery.

blissey@ leftovers
bold
hp: forgot # of EVs/defense 252/ spe atk 108
-counter/seismic toss
-sing
-seismic toss/ shadow ball
-softboiled

counter to ohko physical sweepers. sing to sleep pokes. kinda unexpected, softboiled for recovery, seismic toss cuz its beast.
Shadow ball could be useful to hit gengar and azelf, common and deadly special sweepers.

Starmie@leftovers
timid
(EVs for counterstar on smogon analysis)
-surf
-rapid spin/thunderbolt
-ice beam
-recover

Gets rid of rocks and spikes. It also counters garchomp and mixape.

Tyranitar@leftovers
(regular evs for boah)
-Substitute
-focus punch
-dark pulse
-ice beam

101 subs, so it can beat blissey, ice beam for donphan, gliscor, hippowdon, dark pulse for dusknoir and cressy and everything else. Should be a mega beast!

Garchomp@yache berry
jolly
252 atk/252 speed/6 hp
-swords dance
-outrage
-earthquake
-fire fang

Can get a swords dance in, take an ice beam or other ice move b/c or yache berry and ko them with a massive boosted attack. Skarmory and bronzong won't like switching into a swords danced fire fang which should 2hko them. Should sweep really well.

My team is based around a late game garchomp sweep. Weezing, Blissey, Hippowdon, and Starmie are walls/counter-ers to take out offensive threats. Then tyranitar breaks walls to clear the path for garchomp. These guys do the dirty work, and Garchomp gets the joy of rampaging through the other team.

So, what do you think? I believe that my weezing, blissey, hippowdon, and starmie can counter almost any offensive threat. Tell me of any weaknesses.

THREAT LIST:
Azelf
-blissey, starmie if necessary
Blissey
-tyranitar, Blissey, hippowdon, weezing
Breloom
-weezing
Bronzong
-starmie to take hypnosis, hippowdon, weezing
Celebi
-blissey, weezing (don't know much about celebi)
Cresselia
-tyranitar, blissey
Deoxys-E
-blissey, hippowdon (hope it doesn't have superpower and ice beam)lol
Donphan
-weezing, hippowdon, starmie
Dragonite
-hippowdon, weezing, blissey, starmie (lots of dragonite sets)
Dusknoir
-blissey, starmie
Electivire
-weezing, hippowdon
Forretress
-starmie, hippowdon, weezing
Garchomp
-weezing, hippowdon <for banded or scarf) , starmie <swords dance
Gengar
-blissey
Gliscor
-blissey, weezing, hippowdon
Gyarados
-weezing
Heatran
-blissey, hippowdon, starmie
Heracross
-weezing, hippowdon
Hippowdon
-hippowdon, starmie, weezing
Infernape
-starmie for mixape, weezing/hippowdon for physical, blissey for special
Jirachi
-hippowdon, weezing, blissey
Lucario
-weezing and hippowdon for physical, starmie for specs
Machamp
-weezing, hippowdon
Magnezone
-hippowdon, weezing, blissey
Mamoswine
-weezing, starmie
Metagross
-weezing, hippowdon
Porygon-Z
-blissey
Raikou
-blissey
Salamence
-weezing, hippowdon, starmie, blissey (lots of sets)
Scizor
-hippowdon, weezing
Skarmory
-starmie, weezing (god I hate skarmory)
Slowbro
-blissey
Spiritomb
-blissey, starmie?
Starmie
-blissey
Suicune
-blissey
Swampert
-weezing, blissey (god I hope it doesn't have hydro pump)
Togekiss
-blissey (stupid paraflinch)
Tyranitar
-hippowdon, weezing
Weavile
-weezing, hippowdon
Weezing
-blissey stall, starmie
Yanmega
-blissey
Zapdos
-blissey, hippowdon

whew, I think I've covered everything. I think my biggest weaknesses are deoxys-e with superpower and good special attacks, swampert with hydro pump, and skarmory.

This took a really long time to write, so please, give advice and rates!

Rate 1-10

 

[Shadow_Claw]

You should go with flamethrower.

 

[DarkSuicune]

Hmm.. Well, first of all, I dont like to start off with a Physical/Special wall as a lead. Usually I have a mixed wall, like Cresselia, or a hard hitting status-er, like Gengar. A gengar/azelf lead can either put your Weezing to sleep, or just kill it in one hit with high special attack.

 

[fostmeister]

against gengar or azelf, I'll just switch to blissey or starmie. Blisey can take their hits and status. Starmie just status if I predict hypnosis.

I think weezing would make a great lead because he can:
tbolt gyarados
fire blast/WOW weavile
burn stuff, yeah

What do you think should be my lead then? hippowdon for sandstream and phazing?

 

[ToF]

Changes in bold

Weezing@ leftovers
bold
hp: 252 defense: 252 spec attack: 6
-fire blast
-thunderbolt
-will-o-wisp
-pain-split

Fine...just do not lead with Weezing lol.

blissey@ leftovers
bold
hp: forgot # of EVs/defense 252/ spe atk 108
-ice beam
-thunder wave
-seismic toss
-softboiled

Standard.

Hippowdon@leftovers
impish
252 hp/ 252 defense/ 252 atk
-earthquake
-ice fang
-slack off
-Stealth Rock

Since your strategy revolves around using your walls to counter opposing offensive threats, go with Stealth rock to deal indirect damage to your constantly switching opponent.

Starmie@leftovers
timid
(EVs for counterstar on smogon analysis)
-surf
-thunderbolt
-ice beam
-recover

Fine...I believe EV's are 216 Speed, 172 HP, 120 Sp.Att

Tyranitar@leftovers
(regular evs for boah)
-Substitute
-focus punch
-dark pulse
-ice beam

Ok.

set one:

Garchomp@yache berry
jolly
-swords dance
-outrage
-earthquake
-Fire Fang


For one thing, Brightpowder is generally banned. YacheChomp is a very feared sweeper in today's metagame. Fire Fang to take advantage of the SD boosts. Fire Blast on Skarmory does around 65% IIRC, and after a SD, Fire fang does 53%ish. Not much different, and besides, Bronzong is hit harder by SD Fire fang.


The team has trouble with Deoxys-S. For that reason alone, I suggested Yache on Chomp. Blissey can beat it if you predict properly. Also, you lose to stall teams. Consider Rapid Spin on Starmie over Thunderbolt, since Weezing covers Gyarados fairly well.

Also, I would lead with either Tyranitar or Hippowdon (for a fast SR).

 

[fostmeister]

Thanks for the advice.
This is my first wifi team that I'm currently making, so I haven't battled anyone yet. Is Deoxys Speed that common?

Yeah, I'll make hippowdon my lead for stealth rock.

For yachechomp, wouldn't fire blast be better because if you hit skarmory on the switch, you can ko it with another. Or should I always swords dance up and fire fang if I see a bronzong or skarm?

For starmie, should I keep thunderbolt because if weezing dies (pain split may not be too reliable) then gyarados will sweep my team easily. THen again, skarmory could spike or stealth rock up and roar.

Thanks for the comments. MORE PLEASE!

 

[Bourbon]

HA HA HA HA... you really don't know much about Celebi sadly :(

I'm going to tell you what it can do to you so you can counter it. You said you would use Blissey or Weezing, correct?

Weezing gets OHKOed by Psychic all the time. Blissey gets Subseeded. here is an example:


Person A sent out Celebi
Person B withdrew pokemon Y

Celebi used Substitute
Person B sent in Blissey

Celebi used Calm Mind
Blissey used Ice Beam. (the sub remains intact)

Celebi used Leech Seed
Blissey used Seismic Toss (sub breaks)

--At this point, Celebi is gaining 25 HP back from Leftovers, and 89 from Leech Seed. It can substitute infinately.

Celebi used Substitute
Blissey used Seismic Toss (sub has one HP left)

Celebi used Calm Mind
Blissey used Siesmic Toss (sub breaks)

ANYWAYS, after a long time of this going on, Celebi has a bunch of Calm Minds and is at full health. It has so many Calm Minds that it can Leech Seed Ttar and take a Dark Pulse easily. Or, it can OHKO the rest of your team. You have to get something that can stop it.

Fast Dark types or pokemon with Encore are great ways to start. Taunt messes it up. Roar or Whirlwind delay your inevitable doom, but do little else. Toxic Spikes prevents it from doing much of anything. U-Turning to something that can OHKO it is a very good strategy... put U-Turn on here somewhere!



And BTW, some Azelfs have Explosion and will OHKO your Blissey. Consider a ghost type for this reason.

 

[MetalMetroid997]

Tyranitar@leftovers
(regular evs for boah)
-Substitute
-focus punch
-dark pulse
-ice beam

101 subs, so it can beat blissey, ice beam for donphan, gliscor, hippowdon, dark pulse for dusknoir and cressy and everything else. Should be a mega beast!

You could try this.

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
(same EVs as Tyraniboah)
-Substitute
-Focus Blast
-Crunch
-Ice Fang (it doesn't learn Ice Punch :-( )

 

[fostmeister]

@skiddle: I don't think Celebi will be that common because its some event or whatever. IDK. Anyway, since its hard to get, I would assume it would be hard to get 31 hp IVs for the sub seed to work. With the subseed cm set up, It can only have psychic or grass knot/energy ball whatever. If it has psychic then ttar gets it with dark pulse. If it has grass knot then weezing should be able to fire blast and pain split. If it has both then no calm mind and blissey can stoss.

@metal metroid: I have to say that this set you gave me:

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
(same EVs as Tyraniboah)
-Substitute
-Focus Blast
-Crunch
-Ice Fang (it doesn't learn Ice Punch :-( )

is absolutely ridiculous. I don't think crunch would 2hko blissey. I don't think ice fang would ohko or even 2hko donphan or hippowdon. Focus blast is way too inaccurate and I don't know what you would be trying to hit with it. My tyraniboah is fine. I'm NOT changing it. Besides, its already done.

MORE ADVICE PLEASE!

 

[eddym310]

Hippowdon@leftovers
impish
252 hp/ 252 defense/ 252 atk
-earthquake
-ice fang
-slack off
-stealth rock

you dont say?

 

[fostmeister]

you dont say?

hmmm, good catch. lol
I'll change it.

 

[megachu17]

excuse my noobish-ness, but deoxys-E? and deoxys is uber, so it wouldnt be in OU metagame...?

 

[slayer124]

excuse my noobish-ness, but deoxys-E? and deoxys is uber, so it wouldnt be in OU metagame...?

Deoxys-E are alllowed in OU Play since it doesn't have either good Offense or Defense to pull it off. Even in OU Metagame, he is not that scary. In my opinion, if Deoxys-E is uber then Kryptonite Garchomp would be weak uber too.

 

[fostmeister]

BUMP

hey should I give starmie thunderbolt or ice beam?
Do the dragons or does gyarados cause more trouble for my team?

Also, does garchomp or lucario fit better on my team?

ADVICE PLEASE!

 

[junior]

I recommend you to stop bumping.

I must say this team will fall quite quickly without a phazer. Stat-ups in the current DP Metagame are going insane. Calm Minders are becoming quite popular with its ability to tank and sweep, Swords Dancing Lucario has been used a lot more over the past couple of months, Yahce SD and Salac SD Chomp has become vastly popular on Shoddy since Wobbufet has been released into the OU tier and et cetera.

In shorter words, you need a phazer.

Due to the 'stat-up weak', I recommend Haze or Roar on Weezing or Hippowdon respectively. If you can't fit this into your team, I would recommend another effective stat upping counter. Basically it is Dragon Dancing Tyranitar with Taunt. This can stop Calm Minders easily and set up on walls although it isn't as effective.

Seeing as you already have a solid Gyarados counter (Weezing), I would go with Rapid Spin on Starmie.

 

[fostmeister]

Thanks for the rate. If the two stat upping pokes you say are chomp and lucario, I think hippowdon can take care of them both with ice fang and earthquake.

Are you serious? Wobbufett is too good to be in OU. Any Choiced poke would die to it. I think wobbufet shouldn't be there. How should be team deal with wobbufet? Against calm minders, if I gave hippowdon roar, wouldn't they just kill him with a high powered special attack.

I don't think I'll change ttar b/c its already made and its my wall breaker to set up for a clean garchomp sweep.

Thanks for the advice and I NEED MORE!

 

[fostmeister]

BUMP!
Advice please on team. Thanks.

 

[blasphemy1]

You should use something like Skarmory over Weezing, as Garchomp wrecks this team terribly. Nothing here can switch into a CB Outrage, which means that you are in for some deep shit. Combine that with Ice Fang's 95% accuracy, and Sand Veil, you are in bad shape.

Forretress could go here too, as stall teams need Toxic Spikes to actually win, plus it gives you that much needed dragon resist.

Or go with bulky Lucario in the last slot so you can set up on Garchomp while it just fails.

 

[fostmeister]

If I use skarm over weezing, then I have no gyarados counter b/c I'm going rapid spin on starmie.

Also, hippowdon is supposed to take the cb outrage and just keep on slacking off until it gets confused and leaves.

Skarmory wouldn't help against garchomp. It'll just take some hits and garchomp will eventually leave. Just, it'll use fire blast the next time it gets in to 2hko skarm.

I don't really think I want toxic spikes because I think burn and paralysis are more useful. Perhaps I could give blissey toxic, but...I'm leaning towards t wave.

I don't understand what you're saying about going with bulky Lucario, so I can set up on garchomp. Garchomp can ohko lucario with earthquake...and Garchomp probably doesn't fail. lol.

I think either garchomp or lucario could work in the last slot, but I'm leaning toward garchomp because he has more speed and better type coverage. (dragon, ground, fire hits all types at least neutral).

I might consider forretress with the toxic spikes, but then I'd have to get rid of weezing. Then I would need a gyarados counter...

 

[fostmeister]

I was thinking about blasphemy1's reply, so I made some changes.

1.) instead of weezing, I use forretress to set up toxic spikes, rapid spin, and ASPLODE!
2.) blissey gets wish and protect for stalling for toxic spikes by forretress.
3.) starmie gets t bolt for gyarados b/c weezing (my previous gyarados counter) might be replaced. Doesn't need rapid spin b/c forretress spins

I think this semi stall team would work very well except against a choice band heracross. It gets guts boost, can ohko forretress (i think ) with a close combat.

My only hope is to use hippowdon to stall with slack off and hope that sandstorm and toxic spikes kills it. Or I could try to revenge kill it with starmie or garchomp, but it could just switch.

Which version do you like more? Why? Which would be more effective? Is cb heracross very common? If I go with forretress, how can I stop heracross?
Gliscor instead of hippowdon?

Thanks!

 

[kd24]

Just some suggestions I might as well throw in.

I have been testing Boahs and I found that:

Tyranitar: Leftovers
Quiet
EVS: 252 HP/188 SpA/68 Spe
-Fire Blast
-Sub
-Focus Punch
-Dark Pulse

That works the best. The only wierd thing is the fire blast instead of ice beam or thunderbolt but starmie can use those. I felt fire blast was better for beating skarm and forry more easily. You then can use Ice Beam on blissey if you want.

Fire Fang on garchomp as Fire Blast wont 2HKO bronzong especially with no spa evs and a -spa nature lol

forrys already spinning so starmie can use 3 moves and life orb instead of rapid spin and leftovers

 

[fostmeister]

Bump

the fire blast idea on tyraniboah sounds like it would work well on steel walls, but I think bulky grounds like hippowdon, donphan, and gliscor are more common, so I'm still going to stick with ice beam.

Can I have some more advice? especially between having weezing, standard bliss, and rapid spin starmie or having forretress, wish bliss, and counterstar?

 

[fostmeister]

BUMP

Common guys, too many views, too view replies. Give me some advice please. It'd be much appreciated.

 

[Force]

On garchomp, have you tried the enigma berry over yache berry?

 

[fostmeister]

what's an enigma berry?
Whatever it is, i think yache berry is most useful because it reduces ice attacks. Thanks for the rate!