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Pokemon that benefit the most from Dream World (They see me Update'n,)
- Thread starter DanielG
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Personally I'm excited for cloud nine altaria, even though I do enjoy natural cure. I just absolutely HATE weather teams (even though I've experimented with them myself) and I always wished a better pokemon than psyduck had the ability. Maybe I'll end up using lickilicky too/instead, or maybe a new pokemon will have it. Weather probably won't increase too drastically in UU considering Poli and Ninetales will most likely be OU, but lots of new pokemon are getting weather related abilities (h8 u gamefreak) so it'll still probably see a rise. Especially rain dance...
PS. OMG OP ME AND YOU SHARE THE SAME FIRST NAME AND LAST INITIAL (lol but really)
PS. OMG OP ME AND YOU SHARE THE SAME FIRST NAME AND LAST INITIAL (lol but really)
Yeah, DanielG decided that this thread would only be for improvements to D/P pokemon, not new B/W pokemon, just as a nice comparison.
Swift swim Armaldo O.o
Imagine that with life orb.(In the rain of course)
Imagine that with life orb.(In the rain of course)
I'm guessing that Feraligatr may merit a spot on the list if the boost from Swim(?) Goggles is 1.2+. Combined with Encourage it's a good alternative to DD Gyara. SD provides +2 as opposed to the +1 Gyara. gets with DD.
I'd think a set like this might work:
Ability: Encourage
Nature: Jolly
Item: Swim Goggles
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
Moveset:
Swords Dance
Waterfall
Return
Crunch(for the Water/Ghost if they end up in the same tier)
I don't have time to check for optimal coverage right now, but this looks effective to me.
I'd think a set like this might work:
Ability: Encourage
Nature: Jolly
Item: Swim Goggles
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
Moveset:
Swords Dance
Waterfall
Return
Crunch(for the Water/Ghost if they end up in the same tier)
I don't have time to check for optimal coverage right now, but this looks effective to me.
andrea
/me cresselias
I'm sorry, but can I inquire as to how on earth you plan to write an article on an aspect of a brand new game that you a) cannot read and b) do not even understand how the dream world works?
Besides, the dream world is shut down for ten days as is. So, for those who even have the game, we can't even test out specifically how this functions.
That being said, if the dream world does work as we've figured out so far, I like drought Ninetales a lot.
I guess infernape will be a great choice scarf, but in the long run, wouldn't he be outclassed by speed boost blaziken?
The thing is, after one turn, Blaziken outspeeds and can hit harder than a SE ThunderPunch with STAB Hi Jump Kick. And you can just use Protect if you don't want to get hit, although you shouldn't be switching Ken into something faster than can KO anyway.
Eh, you do have a point. But they could always switch to a counter on the turn you protect, you could predit that and act accordingly and so on and so forth. The first turn that Blaziken comes in will require some predition on both sides. Either way, Infernape will still be more useful than Blaziken on the first turn.
Firstly, I'm sure lots of people have already mentioned this, but most likely, dream world pokemon won't have access to egg moves.
Secondly, you are underestimating a lot of pre-existing abilities. Mamoswine and Gliscor's abilities, while hax based, are incredibly useful, especially with Gliscor, who has stalled out more teams that way than I can count, roosting until they miss, then smacking them with a toxic or something, then repeating. I have lost on several occasions to Mamo because I missed with a move in hail.
In addition, as anyone who has used LO Nape or Sceptile can tell you, Blaze and Overgrow are far from useless. It's also worth noting that on Nape, his best moves are all unboosted by Iron fist, and personally I'd much rather run a NPape with Fire Blast/Focus Blast/Vacuum Wave, which kicks so much ass when it doesn't miss that if not for the entirety of the 5 pokemon that reliably beat it in the 4th gen metagame after a NP, would be completely broken. It's not hard to set up either, pursuit bait pokemon are Infernape's best friend, you'll regret that scarftar soon you fools.
Secondly, you are underestimating a lot of pre-existing abilities. Mamoswine and Gliscor's abilities, while hax based, are incredibly useful, especially with Gliscor, who has stalled out more teams that way than I can count, roosting until they miss, then smacking them with a toxic or something, then repeating. I have lost on several occasions to Mamo because I missed with a move in hail.
In addition, as anyone who has used LO Nape or Sceptile can tell you, Blaze and Overgrow are far from useless. It's also worth noting that on Nape, his best moves are all unboosted by Iron fist, and personally I'd much rather run a NPape with Fire Blast/Focus Blast/Vacuum Wave, which kicks so much ass when it doesn't miss that if not for the entirety of the 5 pokemon that reliably beat it in the 4th gen metagame after a NP, would be completely broken. It's not hard to set up either, pursuit bait pokemon are Infernape's best friend, you'll regret that scarftar soon you fools.
Due to technician breloom, which will more than likely use bullet seed for it's grass STAB, Herbivore pokemon will become useful. In particular, miltank with 95/105 defenses and instant recovery and the partially psychic girafarig will be able to survive its mach punch, kill breloom, and sweep with +2-5 attack. I should also mention the zebra can nitro charge breloom and go on to sweep with a bonus speed boost.
Uhhhmmm... you do realize that STAB Seed Bomb is stronger than a max roll STAB Technician Bullet Seed, right?
Bullet Seed's base power got boosted actually. But Technician Breloom probably can't learn Bullet Seed anyway since its not a TM anymore.
Oh. My mistake, wasn't aware that Bullet Seed had gotten a buff as well.
Unfortunately sue to the issue with dream world abilities and breeding Bullet Seed may be out of the question, and Breloom doesnt get a Technician boosted Grass move, but Seed Bomb is still pretty powerful. And Mach Punch is amazing, but for even more power, Force Palm can cause some havoc, especially with paralysis chance. Also, does anyone know what amount of damage a Wake-Up Slap would do if sleep is activated? Its 60 power, but doubles if the opponent is snoozing. So, would it go from 60 to 90 with technician, and then to 135 with STAB, and then doubled to 270? Or would it just double with stab, making it I believe 180.
I didn't read the full thread but you're missing espeon with magic mirror. Potentially a very good anti-lead (I don't know which tier) especially since it's abilities allows it to reflect non-attacking moves like Entry Hazards and Taunt.
And it can go full support without worrying about being taunted.
And it can go full support without worrying about being taunted.
how about unaware clefable? aftermath electrode (usually a suicide lead so gets free damage on opponent). eccentric ditto?
