Isn't this a mono attacking refresh tias?
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Project OU Next Best Thing Week 10: Mew (Voting)
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Nitpick: it has 3, Substitute too. Maybe slash it in or talk about why it's not as good as the other 2 or if its better
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Only because you asked for more xd
Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psyshock / Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Roost
- Roar
Roar is a pretty nice tech to allow Latias to dodge unfavorable matchups and rack up passive damage. Also, allows you to escape Pursuit trap by phasing the enemy out instead, but that probably only works once, and the next time they will come at you with their stronger STAB. A mono attacking CM + Mono Attack set can be used too over BoltBeam, since Roar allows you to dodge unfavorable typing matchups until you are boosted enough and of course, Stored Power is a possibility if CM is used.
Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psyshock / Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Roost
- Roar
Roar is a pretty nice tech to allow Latias to dodge unfavorable matchups and rack up passive damage. Also, allows you to escape Pursuit trap by phasing the enemy out instead, but that probably only works once, and the next time they will come at you with their stronger STAB. A mono attacking CM + Mono Attack set can be used too over BoltBeam, since Roar allows you to dodge unfavorable typing matchups until you are boosted enough and of course, Stored Power is a possibility if CM is used.
1_TrickPhony
BSS Circuit Co-host
Stall Latias-M
Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Reflect Type
- Toxic
- Roost
- Psywave
What this thing beats is non-roost/recover bulky mons like heatran, Lando, AV Magearna, Ferrothorn among others when normal Latias would have trouble beating these. Psywave does 50-150 damage a strike giving you an inconsistent Seismic Toss. Switch ins that aren't dark type will not be able to resist the hit. If you don't believe in this move you can opt for psychic/draco meter, but this allows you the take advantage of no attacking investment and having only a mono attacking set.
Toxic is designed to cripple the rest of the mons, and many will not expect to get status inflicted on a Latias who normally goes for Calm mind.
Reflect type allows you to not get beaten by a few of the above mons, and allows you to use the (in)consistent shockwave to ping at your opponent without getting lit up by Fleur Cannon/Leech Seed. Has a lot of defensive utility.
Obviously this mon can't beat certain things, so switch it out if you hit a Pex or anything like that, however, you won't have it switching into you until you reveal all your moves.
Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Reflect Type
- Toxic
- Roost
- Psywave
What this thing beats is non-roost/recover bulky mons like heatran, Lando, AV Magearna, Ferrothorn among others when normal Latias would have trouble beating these. Psywave does 50-150 damage a strike giving you an inconsistent Seismic Toss. Switch ins that aren't dark type will not be able to resist the hit. If you don't believe in this move you can opt for psychic/draco meter, but this allows you the take advantage of no attacking investment and having only a mono attacking set.
Toxic is designed to cripple the rest of the mons, and many will not expect to get status inflicted on a Latias who normally goes for Calm mind.
Reflect type allows you to not get beaten by a few of the above mons, and allows you to use the (in)consistent shockwave to ping at your opponent without getting lit up by Fleur Cannon/Leech Seed. Has a lot of defensive utility.
Obviously this mon can't beat certain things, so switch it out if you hit a Pex or anything like that, however, you won't have it switching into you until you reveal all your moves.
Time to vote!
Thanks for all the submissions this time :D. From now on I'll start voting myself now too. My vote goes to BoltBeam HP Fire Mega Latias because I've used it myself and it's a surprisingly potent set.
Offensive Mega Latias
Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Draco Meteor
- Defog / Roost
- Healing Wish
Mega Latias is actually a pretty OK offensive Pokemon; it takes advantage of its good typing and movepool to fill a niche on certain teams that lack a mega, and it separates itself from Mega Latios in such a role with its access to Healing Wish, which is nice for supporting wallbreakers and setup attackers by allowing them to play aggressively in the face of status and attacking moves before fully healing them for a second go at wallbreaking or a sweep. Psychic-type coverage is a must especially alongside Defog, and Psychic is used over Psyshock because both 2HKO Toxapex while Psychic is stronger versus most stuff anyway without needing to beat out random CMers. Mono attacking is actually pretty OK because Latias doesn’t really need Dragon-type coverage, but it’s generally preferable to carry it because the added firepower comes in handy a lot.
Reflect Type
Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Reflect Type
- Recover
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam / Surf
Reflect Type is a pretty useful tool that Latias has against some of those very classic Latias answers which are mostly Steels, Darks and some other stuff which usually don't have moves to deal with their own typing. So you just copy their types and stay in on them forever and refuse to die like ever and chip away on their team. Ferro can't Seed you, Tpex and SDef Tran can't Toxic you and the latter can't burn you either. And since you are gonna be changing your type at times, no point running STABs, and might as well just run BoltBeam for coverage.8 SpA Magearna Fleur Cannon vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias (Fairy/Steel): 70-83 (19.2 - 22.8%) -- possible 5HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latias (Rock/Dark): 120-141 (32.9 - 38.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage
252 SpA Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-Black Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias (Ice/Dragon): 144-172 (39.5 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Mawile-Mega Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latias (Fairy/Steel): 151-178 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
If you copy their types when they switch in:
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias (Water/Dark): 121-143 (33.2 - 39.2%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Koko Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias (Electric/Fairy): 127-150 (34.8 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias-Mega (Dark/Ice): 79-93 (21.7 - 25.5%) -- 0.9% chance to 4HKO
> you don't even need to predict this switch-in because he can't 2HKO you either way:
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Pursuit (40 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias-Mega (Base Type): 158-188 (43.4 - 51.6%) -- 9.4% chance to 2HKO
Reserving mono attacking cm refreshDamn Sniped D:
Latias (F) @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Roost
This M.Latias was first seen during olt, on Liones and DANN3 team primarily during the second cycle. What makes this set so nice, is its speed combined with it great natural bulk and scary coverage combonation of Bolt Beam Fire, this set is both hard to ko and switch into. This set is very similar to Zapdos's Roost 3 Attacks set, and shares a lot fo the same traits, being exceedingly hard for more offensive orientated teams to deal with that lack Ttar, and this has already been proven an effective strategy.
Only because you asked for more xd
Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psyshock / Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Roost
- Roar
Roar is a pretty nice tech to allow Latias to dodge unfavorable matchups and rack up passive damage. Also, allows you to escape Pursuit trap by phasing the enemy out instead, but that probably only works once, and the next time they will come at you with their stronger STAB. A mono attacking CM + Mono Attack set can be used too over BoltBeam, since Roar allows you to dodge unfavorable typing matchups until you are boosted enough and of course, Stored Power is a possibility if CM is used.
Thanks for all the submissions this time :D. From now on I'll start voting myself now too. My vote goes to BoltBeam HP Fire Mega Latias because I've used it myself and it's a surprisingly potent set.
Voting Toxic proof M.Latias
Stall latias
escarlata
Voting boltbeam fire
There are two sets with Reflect Type: escarlata and 1_TrickPhony used this move in their own set. Which one do you like more?
Jordy can't post currently, so I'm posting on his behalf as co-host. Title and archive will be updated later
Congrats to me for winning this week :|
This week we'll be doing Mew, the deadline will be due Friday the 9th. Good luck n_n
Congrats to me for winning this week :|
Offensive Mega Latias - 0
Reflect Type Mega Latias - 3
Thunder Wave Mega Latias - 0
Bolt Beam Fire Mega Latias - 6
Hone Claws Mega Latias - 0
Toxic-Proof CM Mega Latias - 1
Roar Mega Latias - 0
Stall Mega Latias - 1
Reflect Type Mega Latias - 3
Thunder Wave Mega Latias - 0
Bolt Beam Fire Mega Latias - 6
Hone Claws Mega Latias - 0
Toxic-Proof CM Mega Latias - 1
Roar Mega Latias - 0
Stall Mega Latias - 1
This week we'll be doing Mew, the deadline will be due Friday the 9th. Good luck n_n
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Mew @ Focus Sash
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 HP
- Explosion
- Stealth Rock
- Endeavor
- Will-O-Wisp / Thunder Wave
General Idea:
This set is a standard Suicide Lead pokemon but with a twist. Instead of the usual Landorus, or Excadrill, instead this set utilizes Mew. Thanks to Mew getting Stealth Rock, and Explosion, Mew can be an effective suicide lead with a nice surprise factor. While it does not have as strong an explosion as Landorus, it helps differentiates itself with the use of two moves that Landorus does not gain access too are the moves Endeavor, and Will-o-Wisp/ Thunder Wave. Endeavor has nice utility, as it is able to bring down a lot of pokemon's health to very low percentages after taking a hit, to ensure a sweep of one of your other pokemons, especially if the pokemon you weaken is the only one that is able to check one of your pokemon. The 0 Iv's in Hp is to help facilitate the bringing down of other pokemons hp. Another thing Mew brings to the table is Will-o-Wisp and Thunder Wave, which can be used to disrupt fast and strong pokemon alike. The choice between the two is up to preference, but Will-o-wisp probably has more utility on Hyper Offensive teams.
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Offensive Reflect Type Mew
Mew @ Normalium Z
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Ice Beam/Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Reflect Type
General idea
Mew has a plethora of moves to choose from in order to have the maximum coverage possible.
BoltBeam + Fire Blast is the common combination to have a neutral coverage towards many threats, so small explanation is needed here. You need a way to get past Heatran for sure, though. This makes Surf a nice replacement although you are not able to OHKO Garchomp and defensive Landorus-T anymore.
Reflect Type is a good move, which is useful both offensively (in order to gain the STAB on your move) and defensively (to reduce the amount of damage from Pursuit and to avoid status moves such as Leech Seed, Thunder Wave, WoW if you have the right type onto your Mew). It is worth noting that Mew has the bulk to use Reflect Type even in a situation 1 vs 1.
I also think that Normalium-Z is perfect alongside Reflect Type to have a +1 SpA boost out of nowhere to net some useful 2HKOs. This helps to rectify Mew's offensive prowess that is middling even if fully invested due to its unfocused stats. Also, Normalium-Z reduces the damage coming from random Knock Offs.
EVs spread
This is a basic offensive spread.
Team(mates) support
The teammates depends on what you are not able to cover with three moves, namely Heatran (in this set).
Mew @ Normalium Z
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Ice Beam/Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Reflect Type
General idea
Mew has a plethora of moves to choose from in order to have the maximum coverage possible.
BoltBeam + Fire Blast is the common combination to have a neutral coverage towards many threats, so small explanation is needed here. You need a way to get past Heatran for sure, though. This makes Surf a nice replacement although you are not able to OHKO Garchomp and defensive Landorus-T anymore.
Reflect Type is a good move, which is useful both offensively (in order to gain the STAB on your move) and defensively (to reduce the amount of damage from Pursuit and to avoid status moves such as Leech Seed, Thunder Wave, WoW if you have the right type onto your Mew). It is worth noting that Mew has the bulk to use Reflect Type even in a situation 1 vs 1.
I also think that Normalium-Z is perfect alongside Reflect Type to have a +1 SpA boost out of nowhere to net some useful 2HKOs. This helps to rectify Mew's offensive prowess that is middling even if fully invested due to its unfocused stats. Also, Normalium-Z reduces the damage coming from random Knock Offs.
+1 252 SpA Mew Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 196-232 (57.1 - 67.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 SpA Mew Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Suicune: 214-252 (52.9 - 62.3%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 SpA Mew Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 64 SpD Toxapex: 172-204 (56.5 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Mew Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 256-302 (91.1 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
+1 252 SpA Mew Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 155-183 (55.1 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Mew Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 314-370 (111.7 - 131.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Mew Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 216+ SpD Amoonguss: 258-304 (59.8 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
+1 252 SpA Mew Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 228+ SpD Assault Vest Tangrowth: 224-264 (55.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Mew Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 456-540 (129.5 - 153.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Mew Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Suicune: 214-252 (52.9 - 62.3%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 SpA Mew Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 64 SpD Toxapex: 172-204 (56.5 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Mew Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 256-302 (91.1 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
+1 252 SpA Mew Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 155-183 (55.1 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Mew Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 314-370 (111.7 - 131.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Mew Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 216+ SpD Amoonguss: 258-304 (59.8 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
+1 252 SpA Mew Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 228+ SpD Assault Vest Tangrowth: 224-264 (55.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Mew Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 456-540 (129.5 - 153.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
EVs spread
This is a basic offensive spread.
Team(mates) support
The teammates depends on what you are not able to cover with three moves, namely Heatran (in this set).
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The double attacks Tectonic Rage Mew
Mew @ Groundium Z
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 108 SpA / 72 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Roost
- Defog
The main purpose of this set is to lure Heatran which thinks it is safe after Ice Beam was revealed, and then to OHKO it with Tectonic Rage. It's EV'ed to outspeed Max Speed Tran and OHKO even the Max SpDef one with its Z Move. The rest is used to further bolster Mew's Physical and overall bulk, so it can check some physical threats.
Mew @ Groundium Z
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 108 SpA / 72 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Roost
- Defog
The main purpose of this set is to lure Heatran which thinks it is safe after Ice Beam was revealed, and then to OHKO it with Tectonic Rage. It's EV'ed to outspeed Max Speed Tran and OHKO even the Max SpDef one with its Z Move. The rest is used to further bolster Mew's Physical and overall bulk, so it can check some physical threats.
108 SpA Mew Tectonic Rage (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 388-460 (100.5 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Leftovers recovery
108 SpA Mew Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Landorus-Therian: 340-400 (89 - 104.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
108 SpA Mew Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 348-412 (109 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 76 Def Mew: 165-195 (40.8 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
108 SpA Mew Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Landorus-Therian: 340-400 (89 - 104.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
108 SpA Mew Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 348-412 (109 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 76 Def Mew: 165-195 (40.8 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Thunder Pwoell
Banned deucer.
I have 2 mews both with good results in high ladder. Like i was mentioned one is AV mew (timid) with max spa. It has the moves psychic, fire blast, ice beam, and earth power (these are clearly for the many many 4x weak mons in ou and that usually will at least 2hko if not flat out oko). Other is the same thing but its nasty plot, psychic, aura sphere and softboiled z mew. fire af
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