Its a good check / counter I suppose, continuing from my calcs - Aqua Tail on max hp / mix def = 79.49% - 94.01%, 2.56% chance of OHKO with SR down. But as a solid counter, Rhyperior has to run max hp / max def to take 70.51% max from Aqua Tail.
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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)
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Wait, wut?
Why sandslash needs to harm dusclops? Will O wisp will get you anyways
To me, the Sandslash set would be
Super fang
rapid spin
EQ
Night slash / Stealth rocks (I would rather SR anyways)
Hurting dusclops it's like saying Forry needs to use Payback just for Gengar, while Gyro ball does that better.
Not a counter since Aggron outspeeds Rhyperior, so even with max defenses, it's still a 2HKO. Iron Tail 2HKO him too, but i don't know if people will start using Iron Tail on him.
Some weird Magnet Rise Aggron can screw Rhyperior up, but no one will use Magent Rise on him, it's just stupid. Or not.
CB Aggron? How much better is Aggron than Relicanth? He has 20 more base attack, arguably a better typing, but does that push him over?
I'm not doubting it's good, just asking since I haven't seen very many people use CB Relicanth even in NU. Personally, I like the Aggron sub-punching set (although it is also not very popular at the moment) where one can replace Stone Edge with the more powerful, just as accurate Head Smash.
I'm not doubting it's good, just asking since I haven't seen very many people use CB Relicanth even in NU. Personally, I like the Aggron sub-punching set (although it is also not very popular at the moment) where one can replace Stone Edge with the more powerful, just as accurate Head Smash.
I checked all NU/UU walls and Iron Tail is good choice for securing 2OHKO'es on Hariyama, Hitmontop and Regirock (Aqua won't always 2OHKO). However Quagsire is good choice in NU against Aggron, as it takes almost everything with good effect and with Recover it's even better.
Those 20 points makes a huge difference. Guarranteed 2OHKO on Tangrowth, Weezing and Slowbro (even without Stealth Rock) with Head Smash and it has even 15% chance to OHKO Max/Max Milotic which is... outspeeded by 1 point, if it runs Max/Max defences. Only Torterra (and Ice Punch may fix it) and Quagsire are the best switches on it and probably the only reliable ones.
My bad, I completely forgot.
Thanks. I like that set.
Oh yes! This should be great to help lower the level of theorymon and instead have actual metagame analysis.
Right now on my hyper-offensive team I'm trying out Magmar, who is quite fast for NU and can 2HKO almost the entire tier. It's just a shame that he's frail and Fire Blast is such a horrible move.
Right now on my hyper-offensive team I'm trying out Magmar, who is quite fast for NU and can 2HKO almost the entire tier. It's just a shame that he's frail and Fire Blast is such a horrible move.
NU is filled with viable Fire-types. There's Monferno for imitating Leadape, Combusken could be decent, but I've honestly not tried him. Then there's Camerupt, Entei, Ninetails, Torkoal, and Magmar. Compare 7 Fire Types to the 2 in OU.
I'm honstly shocked with the number of Bug, Flying, and Fire types in Nu, that Stealth Rock is not as abundant as it is in OU, where every lead aims to set them up, or prevent it. That said, in NU, there are taunters faster than everything that uses Stealth Rock, not true in OU, because the fastest Taunter happens to be the fastest Stealth Rocker.
I'm honstly shocked with the number of Bug, Flying, and Fire types in Nu, that Stealth Rock is not as abundant as it is in OU, where every lead aims to set them up, or prevent it. That said, in NU, there are taunters faster than everything that uses Stealth Rock, not true in OU, because the fastest Taunter happens to be the fastest Stealth Rocker.
Yeah from my initial battles most of the stealth rocks that are used happen mid-gameish rather than at the beginning
I personally think Stealth Rock is the most powerful move in this tier. Think about the "Good" Pokemon in this tier, and why they're here. Entei, Regice, Pinsir etc. are all weak to Stealth Rock, and that's the reason they're in this tier in the first place. I think it's needed to bring all these "too powerful for NU" Pokemon down to NU level.
Cradily, Pinsir, Gligar, and Bibarel are all extremely reliable Stealth Rock users in my experience. Things would be a whole lot easier if we had something like Quagsire with Stealth Rock, but all the aforementioned pokemon get rocks up as easily as Azelf or Registeel(just not right away in the case of Cradily) in terms of relativity.
Sorry I don't have the time to read all of this. It has probably been mentioned before but...
I hope nobody has thought of CB Metang!
50/50 Split Attack HP Adamant
Meteor-Mash, Bullet-Punch, Earth-Quake, Explosion
Very bulky even as a Metang. I've found it has some use in the UU metagame aswell. If you can believe that.
I hope nobody has thought of CB Metang!
50/50 Split Attack HP Adamant
Meteor-Mash, Bullet-Punch, Earth-Quake, Explosion
Very bulky even as a Metang. I've found it has some use in the UU metagame aswell. If you can believe that.
There's so many things wrong with this post... Rapidash > Magmar from a physical perspective. Magmar is an interesting mix user, but he wasn't very good, and now he is outclassed by Magmortar (which, granted, wasn't around when this was posted).
Quick Feet Ursaring is very destructive and much better than Guts.
Leafeon should never ever use a Scarf.
Dodrio should never use Tri-Attack.
Aggron died to any Water, Fighting, or Ground attack, but now it's in UU anyways so this is moot.
I am not happy that Raticate isn't on the offensive threat list. With Super Fang, he can wear down walls, and Thunder Wave + Hyper Fang/Headbutt is a paraflinch combo. The best is the Facade + Flame Orb for Guts Abuse, like Ursaring but higher speed in exchange for lower attack.
Raichu's actually quite good.
I used it as one of my two sweepers that got me to about 11th on the NU ladder. With a Floatzel lead (Stops Rocks 100% of the time), and a Focus Sash on Raichu, setting up a Nasty Plot Sweep is easy, especially with Base 100 speed. Just make sure you kill off any priority users first.
I used it as one of my two sweepers that got me to about 11th on the NU ladder. With a Floatzel lead (Stops Rocks 100% of the time), and a Focus Sash on Raichu, setting up a Nasty Plot Sweep is easy, especially with Base 100 speed. Just make sure you kill off any priority users first.
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