Completely agreeing with this. Moltres would be a fine switch in if it wasn't for the 4x stealth rock weakness. Roserade can switch on predicted seed flares but it's usually slower and if shaymin gets a sp.def drop, it can be ko'ed by air slash or hp fire\ice. Registeel can be a decent counter to life orb variants, but having no recovery out of rest limits its number of switch in, not to mention that sub-seed variants still beat it 1vs1.
I feel Ludicolo is one of the least threatening Rain Dance sweepers. All the special-based Rain sweepers, including Ludicolo, are walled to hell and back by Chansey. Leech Seed would help with it, but Toxic will eventually be taking away more health than Ludicolo would be receiving. On the other hand, I agree that Kabutops and the weird fish (Qwilfish) are problematic, thanks to their ability to boost their stats combined with coverage that is resisted only by a few Pokemon (Quagsire comes to mind).
That won't always work. Some Ludicolo pack SD sets specifically to counter Chansey.
I agree with this. Stop being scared of Stealth Rock weakness, bring a spinner (I use Sandslash myself) or fast taunters. Pokémon like Moltres and Articuno are definitely worth it. I use Articuno with max HP and lots of SpDef and that thing just doesn't die to anything that's not a Rock or Fire Attack. It's a great Roost+Toxic staller, and can also hit stuff like Claydol, Venusaur and Shaymin with a STAB Ice Beam.
That's true, but they are definitely less common than special versions. I have encountered only one so far, and if it had been played just a tad better, it would have had more potential to deal damage.
Tentacool (lol)? Anyway, I don't think crobat was that broken, i think it will be good in UU if it stays.
I don't know man .. It keeps plenty of sweepers in check. Namely Shaymin, fighting types, Roserade, Abomasnow, etc. The thing is the standard set Roost / Brave Bird / Taunt / U-Turn was designated for a lead but not really for suicide. It has surprisingly good bulk and pretty good typing. It's actually designated to be around for a long time and keep some major pokemon in UU checked. Not only that NastyBat is a scary threat if your not prepared. Crobat's pressence will help out alot of bulky waters, which are really annoying in UU, especially Sleep Talk Milotic which is almost impossible to take down without boosted attacks.
The point is these bulky waters are near impossible to take down when you got Crobat switching in the grass attacks which is x4 resist and OHKO back with Brave Bird. It almost seems like impossible
If you were to predict Crobat coming in then you can use Psychic, which is an OHKO with rocks. And once again, Shaymin is not the only good bulky Water check available in UU.
Try Camerupt, Nidoqueen, Cradily, Muk, Umbreon, Lanturn, Ampharos etc, plus a bunch of stuff on Sand teams, in addition to Gastrodon and Registeel. Clearly not 'unstoppable', and that's if you're not willing to use Chansey or Regice.
Yeah I've run into that set a few times. It was only remotely difficult to deal with before I realized it was a mono-Rock attacker and not carrying Earthquake. After that it was easy setup bait for a number of my Pokes, including Curse Registeel and Nasty Plot Toxicroak. Torterra never really cared either way whilst I was using one either; it appreciated the easy setup opportunity. All in all it can be effective, but the lack of real bite to its attack without 4 or more Curses up makes it too easily forced out early-to-mid game, making it just like any other Cro-esque sweeper; try to eliminate all the setup sweepers, hazers and Perish Songers with your other five Pokes before unleashing it in a last Pokemon situation to clean up. Good, but far from broken.
Camerupt - Not enough Special Defense, is going to have to take 2 hits because of low speed.
I'm beginning to question if you know what you're talking about at all.
Can take 2 hits from +1 Raikou and always 2HKO back. How's that not a counter?
Again Nidoqueen can survive 2 hits from +1 Raikou and 2HKO back. Lol at Rivalry quip, I don't have a clue what you're getting at.
Takes laughable damage from Thunderbolt even without SS, can SD up and Recover when necessary, then obliterate Raikou with STAB attacks. No EQ required.
If it can take two +1 Thunderbolts and 2HKO back with Poison Jab, lack of resistance doesn't matter. And Tricking? What do you mean?
I thought we were talking about SDS' set, but its irrelevant anyway. Sub is just a waste of HP. Umbreon breaks it then continues to wear down Raikou whilst sponging special hits. It's not rocket science.
Again, I was referring to SDS' set, but Waterfall can consistently break the Subs anyway.
Ampharos can throw up a Light Screen, then Seismic Toss to eventually wear it down, and possibly paralyze Sub-less variants.
After just two Curses, Registeel's Iron Head will OHKO with a crit, which is bound to happen eventually, and can occasionally flinch in the meantime. Regirock needs almost max Attack to have that kind of chance with the weak and ineffective Rock Slide.
