Its too balanced halp

[EmeraldEnchanter]

So this is a fun team that I'm mostly done editing but could use some help polishing up. I'm bad at intros so on to the team.

Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Gyro Ball
- Spikes/Power Whip/Knock Off (Testing)
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed

Ferrothorn serves as a mixed tank capable of eating hits for days and overall being a troll. He's specially defensive EV's because I have other answers to physical attackers and being able to live surprise HP fires is more valuable to me. However since I take more physical damage I added Rocky helmet to give an added edge of physical attackers. Leech seed is for obvious trolling, GYro ball because I find it dealing more damage than Power whip as well as more reliable accuracy. Stealth rock and spikes are for hazards but since I have a defogger I may replace spikes with thunder wave or power whip. Power Whip is used for another STAB since ferrothorn often finds himself pit against Water,Ground and Rock types that cannot be easily dispatched without power whip.

Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze (Tough Claws)
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Flare Blitz
- Earthquake/Roost (Testing)

Charizard has a great typing. Wonderful synergy with the rest of the team while also packing a more speedy set compared to a mostly slow team. His moveset is the standard dragon dance sweeper. Jolly is to speed tie other base 100's. I chose earthquake over roost, brick break, or rock slide because I valued hitting Heatran over the other threats that those moves cover. I rarely use however so I am open to new ideas for that last slot.

Azumarill @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Waterfall
- Play Rough
- Superpower

Azumarill brings another great typing creating a F/W/G and a steel/dragon/fairy core at the same time! He is choice band because initial power is more important to my team than a set-up sweeper like belly drum. He has his obvious STAB and priority but also superpower for coverage. Superpower is for shit like magnezone, cloyster, Bisharp, Empoleon or others that wall azus STAB.

Mandibuzz (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
Bold Nature
- Foul Play
- Defog
- Roost
- Toxic

Mandibuzz is physically defensive to take the attacks too powerful for SpD Ferrothorn. Her dark typing is incredible this gen and with her bulk she can shrug off any physical attack and a myriad of special attacks too. Her defog clashes with ferros hazards but since I have a Charizard defog takes precedence. Besides Ferro can just spam leech seed so Its not too big a deal. Foul play was chosen as STAB because its damage output is way higher than knock off. Roost is mandatory and I took toxic because without it she has trouble actually dispatching her enemies.

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Aegislash @ Life Orb
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 248 Atk / 252 SAtk/ 8 Spe
Mild Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Shadow Sneak
- Sacred Sword/Kings Shield/Flash Cannon (Testing)
- Flash Cannon/Kings Shield/Sacred Sword (Testing)

This is my favorite Aegislash set and for good reason. He switches is takes nearly any attack switches to blade then either kills with his high powered Shadow Ball or brings to shadow sneak range. 8spe is for other Aegi and more importantly getting the drop on T-Tar with sacred sword. Kings shield would grant some longevity but I usually just switch out soon after attacking and probably would even if I had kings shield so for now I'll keep sacred sword even though I rarely use it. Kings Shield is run over Flash Cannon because Flash Cannon is less used than sacred sword and Kings shield has been more beneficial than the fourth attacking move.

Thundurus (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast/Grass Knot (Testing)

Electric was the typing that I felt would complete my teams synergy. I chose thundurus as my electric type because he can fight off ground types with his immunity + HP ice which lets him kill most garchomp. He also packs STAB t-bolt and focus blast which is just nice to have. Prankster t-wave makes him a last resort answer to shit like Mega Luke (though he won't be a problem much longer) He synergises with azumarill well slowing things down so that azumarill can muscle through them. Focus Blast over Grass knot because fighting is better coverage than grass for thundurus.

Threats: Talonflame, Charizard (both), conkeldurr, mawile, thundurus (both)

 

[Rosen]

Alright, here we go then. I'm too tired to make suggestions of my own but watch out for Gastrodon, immune to thunderwave/bolt and gets a boost from Azumarill's water moves. Also, Rotom-W slaughters Charizard and Azumarill both, and could do some damage to Thundurus. Also, for Thundurus, I'd recommend trying the Therian form, with possible choice scarf and grass knot instead of HP ice, which both can easily remove Garchomp but Volt Absorb is a boon and saves its arse against Rotom. That's my two cents. Cheers

 

[EmeraldEnchanter]

Gastrodon can't get past ferrothorn, Rotom-wash actually can't do crap to charizard because of his dragon typing, i'm using Thundy-i because of more speed and priority thunder wave which would no longer be available if I switched to therian. Also rotom can't really switch in to anything as only ferrothorn can't kill it in at least 3 hits.

 

[Rosen]

Gastrodon can't get past ferrothorn, Rotom-wash actually can't do crap to charizard because of his dragon typing, i'm using Thundy-i because of more speed and priority thunder wave which would no longer be available if I switched to therian. Also rotom can't really switch in to anything as only ferrothorn can't kill it in at least 3 hits.

You asked for advice and are now getting defensive. Alright. Well to say Rotom 'can't do crap to Charizard because of his dragon typing' is completely untrue, and here are the numbers to prove it:

72 SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard X: 153-180 (51.3 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Make that mistake in battle and you're sunk there. Also, no competent individual is going to send Gastrodon against Ferrothorn, I'm referring to your team as a whole, one pokemon alone isn't going to save you as a unit. Keep thundurus i if you want, fine, but seriously. Grass knot.

 

[EmeraldEnchanter]

I could keep arguing but it is pointless. I am testing grass knot over focus blast on thundy and power whip over spikes on ferrothorn. I'll see how it goes.

 

[Ranger Mike]

Two things first of all knock off can be used over power whip which is what your train addin to ferris utility, also run kings shield in aegislash you need to have the ability to switch formes otherwise for the most part decent team. And on a final note along with toxicroak gastrodon is no longer relevant because of the weather nerf. That's my 2 cents

 

[Rosen]

Two things first of all knock off can be used over power whip which is what your train addin to ferris utility, also run kings shield in aegislash you need to have the ability to switch formes otherwise for the most part decent team. And on a final note along with toxicroak gastrodon is no longer relevant because of the weather nerf. That's my 2 cents

Not sure how I missed that, but yes Aegislash is next to worthless without King's Shield. And Gastrodon is still one of the best partners to a still very commonly used pokemon, Heatran, so Storm Drain Gastrodon isn't obsolete just yet.

 

[Ranger Mike]

| 76 | Gastrodon | 2.11990% | 112137 | 1.976% | 92660 | 2.050% | I guess it's still relevant but not really something to dedicate a move too

 

[Rosen]

Usage doesn't correlate directly to usefulness.

 

[Ranger Mike]

I understand that but what I'm trying to say is that something that isn't that common shouldn't really e taken into account for coverage

 

[Rosen]

I suppose you're right.

 

[EmeraldEnchanter]

Aegislash does not need kings shield half as much as you think does. I'll try it but honestly its performance without is stellar I don't think it's at all necessary. And I'll try knock off for ferro even though power whip was not for gastrodon it was actually for other water types that are more threatening.

 

[Ranger Mike]

kings shield is a must on aegislash and nothing else

 

[bluegrass]

Aegislash definitely needs King's Shield, otherwise after your first move you are stuck with 60/60/60 defensive stats and 60 speed, making him extremely easy to revenge kill. Replace Flash Cannon with it. Also give him a spooky plate, as he will always take damage with his speed and Life Orb just makes it worse. Spooky Plate provides additional power to his two main moves, as Sacred Sword should only be used for Pokemon weak to it.

 

[MechaKnight16]

Aegislash does not need kings shield half as much as you think does. I'll try it but honestly its performance without is stellar I don't think it's at all necessary. And I'll try knock off for ferro even though power whip was not for gastrodon it was actually for other water types that are more threatening.

Erm, yes it does. Without Aegislash, it's got nothing to protect itself against any Pokemon that outspeeds it (which are basically almost all of them). Blade Forme Aegislash would barely survive a hit, even if it did neutral damage, considering a Base Stat of 50 of both defensive stats.

 

[EmeraldEnchanter]

I still disagree with you but If that many people say so I will try it.

 

[MechaKnight16]

Personally, I am fond of Bulky Mixed Sweeper Aegislash with a large emphasis on the Physical moves.

Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SAtk
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Shadow Sneak
- Sacred Sword
- Shadow Ball
- King's Shield

You may lack Swords Dance, but even a Shadow Ball with barely any EV investment will hurt you in the face regardless (At lv 100, uninvested Sp Atk with 0 IVs is 335, that's very high). Aegislash is pretty powerful to begin with, so it could rather use some extra bulk-up instead imo.

 

[Rosen]

Aegislash does not need kings shield half as much as you think does. I'll try it but honestly its performance without is stellar I don't think it's at all necessary. And I'll try knock off for ferro even though power whip was not for gastrodon it was actually for other water types that are more threatening.[/quo

I still disagree with you but If that many people say so I will try it.

Disagree all you want, I mean no personal offense but it is simply idiotic to not have King's Shield on Aegislash, it makes as much sense as a Blissey without a recovery move or a Forretress without rapid spin.

 

[EmeraldEnchanter]

I don't think I'm going to use that Aegislash set. I'm telling you kings shield is not a necessity. Switching out brings you back to shield form. Also I tried thundurus with grass knot and focus blast is SO much better. Keeping focus blast.

 

[Ranger Mike]

Your getting defensive (even though your not running kings shield) you need to have an open mind because no matter how many times you say it's not, kings shield is somewhat mandatory on aegislash.

 

[SmokingBomber465]

Automotize Aegislash says hi.

Let's stop with the elitist blanket-statements now, hm? King's Shield is NOT necessary on all Aegislash sets--wallbreaker slash and Automotize being two of them.



My suggestion is that you don't use Flash cannon on Aegislash. If you want a steel move, use Iron Head. Most of the pokemon you will be using Steel on will call for a physical move. But never stay in against Mandibuzz.

Test Taunt on Mandibuzz. Mandi is just fast enough to consistently outspeed most wish-passers and toxic-throwers. Also, for Mandibuzz, move 4HP EV's to SpDef--this will keep your HP at a value that is not divisible by 4.

Also, run 0 Atk IV on Mandibuzz and Bold. A negligible difference, but we're all min/max people here, right?

 

[Ranger Mike]

The problem is that your extremly vulnerable to sucker punch foul play and other aegislashs if you aren't goin to run kings shield at least run a quiet nature so you have a tiny boost to defense an the ability to switch formes after other aegislashs

 

[Rosen]

The problem is that your extremly vulnerable to sucker punch foul play and other aegislashs if you aren't goin to run kings shield at least run a quiet nature so you have a tiny boost to defense an the ability to switch formes after other aegislashs

Preach.

 

[EmeraldEnchanter]

Seriously shut up about Kings Shield there is an Aegislash thread for a reason. Also take a look at Aegislash's 3rd and 4th moves. Thanks for the little touch ups SmokingBomber465 though what would I switch taunt out for? All its moves are very important.