Groudon (Bulky Dancer)

[firecape]

Seen it in action, can be devistating for those that think its support once they see lefties and the damage they did.

1/2

 

[Fireburn]

Hmmm...

Not sure about this yet.

NVM logs convinced me, but Jibaku already stamped sooo...

:P

 

[Jibaku]

2/2

 

[trickroom]

I think Stone Edge deserves a slash. Dragon Claw from your Groudon doesn't even KO Rayquaza after Stealth Rock damage and one Life Orb recoil. Stone Edge also OHKOes Ho-Oh and deals some damage to Lugia. Stone Edge also hits Skarmory harder too.

 

[shrang]

Any reason why you're not running enough Speed to at least outspeed Scarf Palkia? Draco Meteor would do a complete truck-ton (69.06% - 81.19%)

 

[Eo Ut Mortus]

I no longer have any interest in writing this analysis. Anyone is free to take this over.

 

[Aeron Ee1]

i'll do it!

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http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/groudon

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[SET]
name: Bulky Double Dance
move 1: Rock Polish
move 2: Swords Dance
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Dragon Claw / Stone Edge
item: Leftovers
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>People often assume Groudon is running a defensive set when they see their powerful attackers fail to KO it, or when its Leftovers recovery activates. This will ultimately be their undoing when they realize that they are in fact facing this set. This set keeps the support set's ability to check dangerous physical threats such as Garchomp, Rayquaza, and Lucario, while still maintaining a strong offensive presence thanks to Rock Polish and Swords Dance. Groudon also manages many more oppurtunities to set up compared to the offensive Rock Polish thanks to its greater bulk. It is also harder to revenge kill with priority for the same reason.</p>

<p>Earthquake is the obvious STAB move of choice for any Ground-type, while the final moveslot goes to a coverage move. Dragon Claw is Groudon's most reliable option for coverage, with perfect accuracy, a decent 80 Base Power, and super effective hits on Pokemon such as Giratina-O and Latios. Stone Edge, on the other hand, is the more powerful move in general, with equally impressive coverage alongside Earthquake. Most notably, Stone Edge allows Groudon to OHKO Rayquaza after Stealth Rock and one round of Life Orb recoil where Dragon Claw would not. Ho-Oh is also OHKOed by Stone Edge, while Lugia and Skarmory will find it much harder to wall Stone Edge Groudon.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is almost completely geared to the defensive side, with 56 EVs invested into Speed so Groudon can beat Timid Choice Scarf Kyogre, as well as other base 90 Speed Pokemon, after a Rock Polish. Further investment in Speed can be useful, but will detract from the main draw of the set, which are the defenses. Not to mention, the less bulk Groudon has, the likelier it is your opponent will figure out it's not running a purely defensive set.</p>

<p>This Groudon is not the kind of Pokemon you would base your team around. In fact, it plays almost identically to the support set besides the potential boosting. Still, Groudon appreciates entry hazard support, particularly Toxic Spikes, so that it may better deal with opposing Groudon and Kyogre. Forretress is generally the best Toxic Spikes user in Ubers, and it can also set up the other entry hazards too if need be, as well as spin them away from your side of the field. Skarmory, Lugia, and Giratina are troublesome for Groudon to deal with; a combination of Tickle Wobbuffet and Pursuit Scizor can handle the latter two, while Skarmory can be dealt with a powerful special attacker like Heatran. Wobbuffet is also useful in dealing with Choice Scarf revenge killers such as Shaymin-S, Palkia, among others.</p>

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Credits

• QC Period - Eo Ut Mortus

 

[Fatecrashers]

ok i fucked up the merging thing on this

but the gist of it is that aeronee1 will be taking this over

locking

EDIT: here's eo's lost OP for reference

- Used this set during tournaments/Tour, and it did pretty well for me.

name: Bulky Dancer
move 1: Rock Polish
move 2: Swords Dance
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Dragon Claw
item: Leftovers
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe


Why this set deserves to be on-site:

• Capable of checking dangerous physical threats such as Garchomp, Rayquaza, and Lucario while posing a significant threat to offensive teams.
• Can set up on more things than the regular Rock Polish set, most especially after Draco Meteor kills (Palkia, Giratina-O, Dialga).
• Harder to revenge kill with priority (Giratina-O Shadow Sneak, Rayquaza Extremespeed, Scizor Bullet Punch)
• Easier to set up a Speed-based sweep than with the ParaDancer (Rock Polish as opposed to paralyze every faster threat)

Additional Comments:

• EV spread allows Groudon to outrun +Spe, +1 base 90s after a Rock Polish (Timid Scarf Kyogre)
• Dragon Claw is used to hit Latias, Rayquaza, and Giratina-O.

Teammates & Counters:

• Has no chance of getting past Skarmory. Lugia and Giratina are also troublesome.
• Entry hazard support helps against opposing Groudon and Kyogre; Forretress can provide this as well as spin away Toxic Spikes.
• Tickle Wobbuffet + Pursuit Scizor helps against some of Groudon's counters.
• Jirachi lures stuff like Scizor and Forretress that Groudon can set up on.