Metagame [Gen 9] Modern Gen 3

[SwordIsBored]

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What is Modern Gen 3?
Modern Gen 3 (MG3) is a solomod that allows every move, type and Pokemon from Gen 9 National Dex in Gen 3, creating a distinctly unique metagame. Mechanics are taken from gen3customgame on PS! and are not defined by the council.

Challenge Code

/challenge gen3customgame @@@ !! Max Level = 100, !! Max Team Size = 6, !! Max Move Count = 4, Obtainable Formes, Sleep Clause Mod, Endless Battle Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Species Clause, -Arceus, -Basculegion, -Basculegion-F, -Calyrex-Ice, -Calyrex-Shadow, -Chi-Yu, -Darkrai, -Deoxys, -Deoxys-Attack, -Deoxys-Speed, -Dialga, -Eternatus, -Genesect, -Giratina, -Groudon, -Ho-oh, -Iron Bundle, -Koraidon, -Kyogre, -Kyurem-White, -Lugia, -Lunala, -Magearna, -Marshadow, -Miraidon, -Naganadel, -Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, -Necrozma-Dawn-Wings, -Palkia, -Pheromosa, -Rayquaza, -Reshiram, -Shaymin-Sky, -Solgaleo, -Xerneas, -Yveltal, -Zacian, -Zamazenta, -Zekrom, -Zygarde, -Aerodactylite, -Alakazite, -Salamencite, -Blastoisinite, -Gengarite, -Kangaskhanite, -Lucarionite, -Bright Powder, -Lax Incense, -Kings Rock, -Razor Fang, -Soul Dew, -Assist, -Baton Pass, -Shed Tail, -Arena Trap, -Battle Bond, -Moody, -Power Construct, -Sand Rush, -Sand Veil, -Shadow Tag, -Snow Cloak, EV Limit = 510

Here's a rundown of MG3's mechanics:

• Field effects (hazards, weather, etc), items and abilities are all present unlike other Modern Generation metagames.
• Moves and Pokemon that existed in ADV are unchanged. This includes things such as Clefable's Normal-typing and Drain Punch having 60 base power. Moves from future generations usually behave the way they do the generation they were introduced. As well as this, mega evolution works whilst Z-Moves do not.
• Standard ADV mechanics, such as no physical / special split (even for future gen moves), weather abilities set eternal weathers, etc...
• Some stuff behave in a quite unexpected way, more infos here. Most notably, Steel does not resist fairy.
  
  Council:
  Clastia
  Copen
  SwordIsBored

 

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Ruleset:
Banned Pokemon
Arceus
Basculegion
Basculegion-F
Calyrex-Ice
Calyrex-Shadow
Chi-Yu
Darkrai
Deoxys
Deoxys-Attack
Deoxys-Speed
Dialga
Eternatus
Genesect
Giratina
Groudon
Ho-oh
Iron Bundle
Koraidon
Kyogre
Kyurem-White
Lugia
Lunala
Magearna
Marshadow
Mewtwo
Miraidon
Naganadel
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
Palkia
Pheromosa
Rayquaza
Reshiram
Shaymin-Sky
Solgaleo
Xerneas
Yveltal
Zacian
Zamazenta
Zekrom
Zygarde

Banned Moves

• Assist, Baton Pass, Shed Tail

Banned Abilities

• Arena Trap, Battle Bond, Shadow Tag, Sand Veil, Snow Cloak, Moody, Sand Rush, Power Construct

Banned Items

• Aerodactylite, Alakazite, Salamencite, Blastoisinite, Gengarite, Kangaskhanite, Lucarionite

Clauses

• HP Percentage Mod: HP is shown in percentages
• Sleep Clause Mod: Limit one foe put to sleep
• Endless Battle Clause: Forcing endless battles is banned
• OHKO Clause: OHKO moves are banned
• Evasion Moves Clause: Evasion moves are banned
• Species Clause: Limit one of each Pokémon

 

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[Yoshiblaze]

Hello!

Unfortunately, MG3 hasn't been approved to have its own thread yet (only MG1 and MG2 were approved at the beginning of the generation, and they chose to have separate threads for each rather than 1 MG Megathread), so I'll have to lock this for now. Just let us know when/if you want to apply for thread approval and I'll talk with the other mods about it.

Have a nice day!

 

[Yoshiblaze]

In accordance with this post, I am now unlocking this thread and your regularly scheduled MG3ing may resume.

Have fun!

 

[Turtlek]

Hi! Wanted to say you did an awesome work! I got softlocked while using Revival Blessing, is it known?

 

[SwordIsBored]

Hi! Wanted to say you did an awesome work! I got softlocked while using Revival Blessing, is it known?

Thank you! Also no this isn't known, thank you for discovering this. I don't know what you mean by "soft lock" exactly though.

(Also I saw you wanting to be a sub for the tour, sadly you can't anymore but if you want to play games I highly recommend you join the discord!)

Edit: (This is confirmed to be true and now Revival Blessing is banned.)

Edit2: (Revival Blessing is unbanned.)

 

[SwordIsBored]

At the beginnings of the metagame, Sand was the most prevalent weather by far with Rain falling short behind it. However, with Sand Rush banned Rain quickly rise to the top and many people are conflicted with their opinions on how to answer it. Many disagree with which Pokémon they think are the problem, whether weather abilities should be banned as a whole or if Swift Swim should be banned.

I would like to discuss all of the staples of Rain individually and explain why they are problematic I encourage you to also say your thoughts on the topic in the thread if you are interested.

THE BIG THREE OF OFFENSIVE RAIN

Iron Bundle

Iron Bundle immediately sticks out as a potent abuser of Rain, despite it's limited coverage the combination of Hydro Pump, Ice Beam and Freeze-Dry make this Pokemon's attacks impossible to resist. The most seen counter play to this Pokemon's high power is to whittle it down with hazards or hope that it locks itself into an unideal move with Choice Specs. This Pokemon's weakness to hazards and inability to switch moves can be solved with Heavy Duty Boots however and the choice of item makes it hard to handle, Booster Energy is also a valid item. Flip Turn becoming special also gives it a powerful pivoting option.

Greninja

Greninja has garnered a lot more attention in the past few days, many vocally speak of wanting it to be banned and its obscene power with an incredibly high damaging priority move encourages people to think this way. It is prominently used with Choice Specs in which it can fire off high damaging Hydro Pumps, Dark Pulses and Water Shurikens. The main way to handle this powerful frog is to bring a Ferrothorn, Ferrothorn is naturally powerful against Rain and resists both of Greninja's STAB options.

Mega Aerodactyl

Much like Greninja, people believe this Pokemon is a problem when combined with Rain. Due to Hurricane receiving 100% accuracy under Rain, Mega Aerodactyl gains an incredibly powerful Flying-type STAB option which is hard to switch into due to its 30% confuse chance and high base power. Though this is a great trait, it mainly shines in its speed stat and powerful Rock-type moves to hit Fire-types under Sun.

These are what I think are the main problems with Rain, Rain has many utility and defensive options such as Tapu Koko and Ferrothorn but they are no where near as overbearing as these offensive threats. This is my opinion though and you are free to disagree, for now the council is thinking about taking action on Iron Bundle first and maybe restricting Battle Bond.

 

[SwordIsBored]

The menace Iron Bundle is now banned! Magearna, Chi-Yu and Battle Bond are being considered for bans next. More info on Discord.

 

[SwordIsBored]

Shaymin-Sky, Basculegion and Shed Tail have now been banned from MG3!



Shaymin-Sky was seen as more balanced because of its Flying-Type STAB being physical in MG3, which gives it less options to attack. As well as this, the move it abuses, Seed Flare only has 8 PP which can be taken advantage of through stalling it out and work around the Special Defense drop with Clear Amulet. Overall, it was restricting on teams and could break through defensive should be checks like Corviknight and Ferrothorn.



Last Respects is more problematic on Basculegion for many reasons, it ends up having more Speed than Houndstone and fitting a Normal-Type on your team is a lot more difficult than it was before. More Speed and Attack makes the move a lot more threatening off of the Pokémon.



Shed Tail allows recipients to often take advantage of a free turn, passing a substitute to the selected Pokémon similarly to Baton Pass. A quirk that Shed Tail has in MG3 is that it allows the recipient to be immune to hazards upon switching in, allowing it be powerful with Dragonite and Chi-Yu especially who can setup with the Substitute and are free to run whichever item they desire and aren't restricted to Heavy-Duty Boots. Cyclizar was also exceptional as a lead, since this is a metagame without team preview.


My post above the one before this is still apparent and opinions on Greninja and Mega Aerodactyl are wanted, Greninja seems pretty likely to be banned at the moment. Other Pokémon such as Magearna, Reuniclus and Chi-Yu have been asked by some for a ban also.

 

[SwordIsBored]

Adding that Shed Tail is banned, not Cyclizar dkffksdlfldnmsfdjnjnmsd

 

[SwordIsBored]

Battle Bond, Chi-Yu, Mega Aerodactyl and Magearna have all been banned.



The boons of Battle Bond are the same as I've posted before, it becomes nigh impossible to switch into when Greninja achieves this form and is capable of preventing even Ferrothorn to not switch into it with hazards up. Spikes from teammates such as Roserade and Tentacruel, on offense and slower teams respectively, Toxapex and Ferrothorn lose their advantages and find it difficult to switch into Dark Pulse.



It seems obvious why this Pokémon would be a threat, Beads of Ruin allows it to reach incredible damage potential especially with the combination of permanent sun. Though many people compare it to Houndoom-Mega, it achieves the same damage whilst not taking chip damage over time and is allowed to hold an item while freeing up a valuable mega slot. As well as this, it is capable of maintaining its damage in other weathers - particularly Snow/Hail and Sand because of Rain's Fire-type attack debuff.



This Pokémon has been brought up time and time again for a while, Flying/Rock/Ground coverage being almost impossible to switch into and naturally paired well with Rain to never miss its devastating Hurricanes and take down defensive Pokémon some of its teammates' couldn't.



When you see Copen actually vote ban on a Pokémon, it's pretty obvious to tell that it's a problem. Shift Gear with Fleur Cannon, Flash Cannon and Focus Blast was devastating to switch into when it was set up and paired with Weakness Policy for boosted damage, Leftovers for regeneration or Heavy Duty Boots to switch safely into Spikes it was impossible to take it down. Though Focus Blast isn't one shotting Steel-types it easily achieves that after said Steel-types take a neutral Fleur Cannon and lose almost half their health due to MG3 Fairy-type moves only being resisted by Fire-types and Poison-types

PREDICTIONS FOR THE FUTURE:

I think Rain is still going to be the best archetype by far; Kingdra, Omastar and Swampert-Mega are powerful Swift Swimmers that reach devastating speeds while dishing out huge amounts of damage which makes it difficult to switch into. This should be balanced by good defensive Pokémon like Ferrothorn, Toxapex and Clodsire but could still be a problem. Dragonite with DD + Hurricane is a unique option which I think will find a place and niche Water-types to replace Greninja's role like Manaphy and Inteleon could be explored.

 

[SwordIsBored]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KrAI9NA5gWcQ4qsbjeilHKigPylmSjRDaSfTCsoIX_s/edit#gid=0 Leaving the speed tiers made by aninjadude here for now, will add them to the main post later