Does it even need wish though? Or heal bell? You're underestimating the ability to restore ALL of your HP as well as any status with only 1 move.
And is that really a bad thing? It's obvious that gamefreak wanted to eliminate stall, with the hyper-offensive direction this gen has been taking.I realize that we don't want to start with anything banned and I completely agree if we are refering to pokemon. But I find that banning the item that allows you rapid spin on a ghost to be almost broken as it almost illiminates stall as a playstyle which in itself demonstrates the definition of broken.
Wow, this is really good. I agree with your analysis, but I would like to note that Shanderaa is probably best used as a SubCMer, so that a typical stall team featuring it would probably revolve around taking out its checks and luring in pokemon for it to setup on, especially taking Aiming Mark into consideration, which really hurts traditional D/P style stall and devalues Shanderaa as a spinblocker.Alright. I spent a bit of time going through the mew mons on Serebii with what little they have on their moves. I'll look at the missing gaps here later but these are more generalizations I came up with. Referred to by number since that's easier to look up.
#494
Base 100 in all stats
New Ability
No known defensive moves on level up
#518
Like Cress… but cuter? (No Levitate)
Has Yawn, Moonlight, Calm Mind, and some unknown attacks through level up
#526
Benefits from new Sturdy
Great Defense and plenty of Attack
Gets Stealth Rock and EXPLOSION
#531
New Abilities (It their bad, this is done.)
No known healing moves through level up
#534
Decent Defense to complement its Attack
Pure Fighting = Useful resistance to Bug and Dark
#538
Like #534, but overall Bulkier with a (less useful?) ability
Has Seismic Toss and Body Slam
#555 (Daruma Mode)
Lots of weaknesses but resistances as well
Signature ability
Can wall on either spectrum but will probably be forced to specialize due to typing
Only defensive level up option is Taunt
#558
Good defensive typing with it's stats
Has Stealth Rock
Decent Attack with a level up pool to support it
#560 (Reverse Fisjal Gecko)
Shed Skin is welcome
Resistance to Rock, Ghost, and Dark. Immune to Physic
Can wall either or potentially both offenses with his typing
not a lot of defensive options from level up
#563
Ability helps in countering physical attackers who rely on their ability
Some of the best defenses this gen. Can wall either end or potentially both.
Great support level up pool including (the much needed) Haze, Night Shade, Will-o-Wisp, Grudge, and Destiny Bond
#565
Solid Rock helps its weaknesses a bit. Switching into Earthquake is no problem.
Decent support level up pool as well as Curse + Aqua Jet
#576 (Goth Lolimon)
Potentially decent special wall. If not…
Shadow Tag! Combined with access to Fake Tears, Flatter, Charm, Embargo, Heal Block, and Tickle, she make Wobb feel inadequate in some ways (though she's defiantly not Uber martial imo)
#579 (Embreomon)
Sub-par stats to other potential walls. (Probable use in a lower tier.)
Magic Guard helps
Lots of support and healing options. Recover, Screens, Charm, Pain Split, heal Block, and potentially useful Skill Swap
#589
NINE resistances, Poison immunity, ONE weakness.
His stats almost make him impenetrable with everything mentioned above.
Not too much in the way of a defensive level up pool, but he does have Iron Head to abuse a teammate with paralyze support or can sweep with Swords Dance practically for free
Btw, Shell Armor. Good Game.
#591(Poke-Shrooms)
Poor Stats (for OU consideration) and an unreliable ability
Shares the room with other Grass/Poision types
Has Ingrain. If Baton Pass is included somehow BP chains will have more variety at least
#593
Water/Ghost gives some handy resistances and immunities, but certain attacks will rip through that Defense
Decent support level up pool including Night Shade and Recover. Hopefully gets Boiling Water.
#594(What Luvdisc wanted to be)
High HP but not much else. Potentially outclassed by Milotic as far as pure defense goes.
New Ability, Wish, Healing Wish, and Aqua Jet give something to differentiate himself from other Bulky Water-types
#598
Sorry Bug Knight, you just got trumped (sort of). TEN resistances, Poison immunity, and two weaknesses.
Great defensive stats and a usable attack stat.
New ability (Iron Barbs) might have something to do with the Sticky Barb item since it holds them in the wild.
No Rapid Spin (Level Up). Ouch.
Has access to Curse, Gyro Ball, Ingrain, Explosion, Payback, and Power Whip
#601(METAL GEAR)
Clear Body is a saved him from Plus/Minus
Again with the resistance trumping! ELEVEN resistances and 3 Weaknesses. Mawile had this too but lacked the defenses to match.
So far, no known true defense options for our Gear friend. Being genderless also means no egg moves.
Awkwardly high speed and attack (not Sp.Attk)
#606
New ability and ok defenses. May not be suitable for OU.
Many support options. Heal Block, Calm Mind, Recover, and 4 unknown attacks
#609(Chandelier)
Amazing Sp.Attk alongside its decent defenses and good speed.
Support level up moves in Night Shade, Will-o-Wisp, Memento, and Pain Split.
Can switch to a more offensive mode with Shadow Ball and Overheat, which is all it needs really.
Shadow Tag makes him a potentially powerful revenge killer/trapper. Maybe too good for OU...
#615
Great special defensive stats but is hindered by the accursed pure Ice-typing.
You wanted that Rapid Spinner? Here you go!
Amazing support level up pool including Haze, Screens, Recover, and Confuse Ray.
Has enough Sp.Attk to be a good sweeper or at least do some damage.
Ground immunity. Does this mean spinning doesn't rid you of Spikes…?
#618(Um…)
Not exactly stelar base stats but good enough to warrant some use.
Five immunities are somewhat offset by 4 weaknesses to common attack types.
No solid support level up pool.
#623
Three immunities to abuse and three more resistances. Unfortunate weakness to several somewhat popular attack types
Might get Screens through TMs ect since it holds Light Clay
More offensive than defensive. Expect it to play somewhat like Machamp without the Fighting STAB?
Speaking of champ, No Guard for offensive pressure
no specific support options visible
#625
Nine resistances and two immunities. Not so hot on the special side of defenses but it's ok.
Torment, Assurance, and Embargo
#630
Honchcrow's polar opposite. A rare find to get a Flying-type with Special Defense like that. Decent speed too.
Not a lot of defensive options it seems. Lack of Roost will hurt him more than anything if it's not an egg move.
#632
Nine resistances ect. just like many other steel types this gen.
Very high speed means it could also make a potent sweeper or just a speedy wall.
Theoretically beats out #635
#637
Small number of resistances and weaknesses. x4 to rock might really hurt it.
Not many level up options for support/walling. Gets Whirlwind…
Possibly more dedicated to sweeping with its great Sp.Attk
#638
Nine resistances ect.
New ability
Not a lot of support level up options
Fast Defensive wall
#640
Six resistances. Many known for use of special attackers
Access to Giga Drain, but not much else trough level up.
New Ability
Fast Special wall
#648
Normal-typing removes Ghost and Fighting weaknesses
Great stats of special walling, high Special Attack too
Uturn and Teeter Dance for support
The mons in bold I think will be especially useful once the metagame is opened. If there's a notable move, ability, ect. that you know of that I missed please do tell.
Well, we don't know movepools or the metagame yet, so we can't really tell what is going to be UU and what's going to OU.What about the UU defensive threats? We have a bulky Subseeder in Jaroda. Bulkier than Sceptile, yet faster than Meganium. Any word on him?
There is a flaw in your thinking.The people who are running around shouting that stall is dead would do well to look back at pre-DP - then, like now, people were running around shouting about how Goukazaru and Gabiarasu or whatever we knew them as then were going to make stall obsolete but as we all know, stall was a very effective playstyle in Gen 4 even before Rotom-A's introduction.
That is complete and utter nonsense. I don't even know where to begin. If you're going to make a statement like that and try to pass it as fact then you'd better be able to provide a whole lot of reasoning.darkflagrance said:Although Stall is currently a viable strategy in OU, it is only so due to the bans of both Salamence and Garchomp
Nageki (538) learns a move that is the Fighting-type equivalent of Dragon Tail. I think Rankurusu (579) will be a potent Calm Mind-er, with Magic Guard and access to Recover and Psycho Shock. It's not quite as bulky as Musharna (518) but its ability and recovery move are more useful. Nattorei's ability (Iron Barbs) is apparently a clone of Rough Skin--not terrible but not terribly useful.The mons in bold I think will be especially useful once the metagame is opened. If there's a notable move, ability, ect. that you know of that I missed please do tell.
Actually, it doesn't. It hits pokemon which ability grants immunity to other electric attacks.Yeah, I had forgotten that TWave now hits grounds.
Where'd you find that? I'm not trying to be rude, I just want to know which site has this information. All I've heard is rumors that it hits ground types.Actually, it doesn't. It hits pokemon which ability grants immunity to other electric attacks.