If you want to keep switching your Heracross into STAB Dark Pulses from 135 Base SpAtk while you take residual damage from a potential Burn Orb, Stealth Rock, Spikes, Sand Stream/Snow Warning and Toxic Spikes, be my guest. This is another pokemon: "sure I can do the job, but don't look at me the second time you need a switch-in" argument.
You speak as if Ubers ONLY includes the 15-someodd Pokémon that aren't allowed in the lower tiers. We already are free to use OU Pokémon to counter Darkrai in Ubers in addition to the other Ubers, and we still have a hard time doing it. What makes you think that taking the strongest fighters out of the picture will somehow make Darkrai WEAKER?
If your opponent has managed to set that much up against you already, then I think you have already lost that battle. Darkrai isn't the one setting up the Toxic Spikes, Spikes, Stealth Rock and Sandstream, not to mention that Toxic Spikes plays AGAINST Darkrai by rendering his Dark Void useless against non-flying/Levitate targets, and Sandstorm/Hail is hitting Darkrai as well.
Actually, we have done this in advance before:
I know this. Hence the word "potential" before I listed all of those things. Instead of picking random sentences out of my post to pick on, why don't you try understanding the meaning of the post in its entirety, which is the point of making entire posts and not just sentence fragments.
And my point was that there are Pokemon that can be adapted to suit whatever the situation is. Likewise, depending on the situation for the attacker, certain Pokemon won't work. Anyways, if Darkrai is being forced to switch, then you can pick at with through residual damage, and if Darkrai is fleeing, it's not attacking and thus not accomplishing anything.
He is who we thought he was! If you wanna crown him, then crown his ass!
Have you even been reading his posts? He never said that you were the one that mentioned Scarf Gengar was a Starmie counter, it was simply an analogy he used earlier in the topic, and it's a pretty relevant one at that
You forgot the part Poison, which is definitely crucial. ADV also didn't really have defined NU tiers (on whether it was by usage or power - generally I'm leaning towards power though). I'd personally say both were UU, so no double standards there for me.
I can't take damage from both burn and poison, so yeah, no Toxic Spikes or no Burn Orb.
Gengar, Roserade, Crobat.....any starting sleep inducer ring a bell.
Oh of course... how could I possibly forget those other pokemon with a 90% accurate sleep move.... o wait
Dark Void has 80%. Crobat is quicker and Gengar has better typing. Crobat can easily switch into huge threats like Heracross, Darkrai can't.
Crobat 4x resists Megahorn, and Close Combat as well. I highly doubt it's going to be taking a big chunk of damage. Don't underestimate Crobat's defenses. The only Heracross that's going to be beating Crobat is the scarfed version, and even then it has to get lucky by choosing the right move as Crobat comes out, and to pray for it to hit. The CB version is beaten because Crobat can just Roost off the Stone Edges, taking away the Rock weakness. In other words, yes, Crobat can switch really easily into Heracross.
I agree, Bad Dreams sucks. All it's good for is forcing stuff with Sleep Talk out from Darkrai, but since Sleep Talkers aren't that amazing to begin with and they're playing with fire by staying in that is nothing to be really proud of. I mean, 33% to give this thing a free turn every time? no thanks, especially since you usually need two of your STAB hits to kill the thing.
It can, actually. It's not hard to predict an attack. Trust me, a full HP Crobat won't take much damage. Every other attack against Crobat is worthless and gives you a free turn for Taunt, scouting, Hypnosis or just damage.
Wide Lense on Crobat will knock Hypnosis up to 77%, making the comparison of Crobat to Darkrai even muddier. Wide Lense Crobat is a pretty solid Pokemon.
