If only Perrserker was fast...Recipe for disaster
Perrserker @ King's Rock
Ability: Tough Claws
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Population Bomb
- Hone Claws
- Milk Drink
- Meteor Mash
Persian though...
If only Perrserker was fast...Recipe for disaster
Perrserker @ King's Rock
Ability: Tough Claws
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Population Bomb
- Hone Claws
- Milk Drink
- Meteor Mash
pop bomb persian is honestly pretty mid. i've used it on a couple teams but it's just eh. it's slightly faster than maushold, but worse in every other way. it also doesn't get tidy up, which is part of what gives maushold its nicheIf only Perrserker was fast...
Persian though...
That's fair, but fake out and mach punch give it some useful tools that Maushold doesn't get to help deal with faster threats. I would say Persian's pretty underwhelming overall, but I think it's a bit better than Maushold in this format.pop bomb persian is honestly pretty mid. i've used it on a couple teams but it's just eh. it's slightly faster than maushold, but worse in every other way. it also doesn't get tidy up, which is part of what gives maushold its niche
I think heart swap like v create is just secretly in the game for no reason at all.I thought Heart Swap wasn't in the game? Is there some sort of bug here or am I losing it?
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9alphabetcup-1884278761
Fishious rend does not exist in the game and is therefore unusableMeowscarada @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fishious Rend
- Flower Trick
- U-turn
- Knock Off
dracovish 2.0
Chi yu is not banned which is really fun.also is chi-yu banned or nah
It’s restricted, restricted moves can be used on native mons (like rage fist on ape).Apparently Rage Fist is allowed? Just got blown up by an Ape with it lmao
To be honest, the bigger problem really feels like ESpeed to me, since Eiscue is also insanely strong with it. Any way to get easy attack boosts then automatically outspeed effectively every single other pokemon besides ghost types is really rough to deal with.
Enamorus @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Substitute
- Superpower
- Extreme Speed
- Play Rough / Earthquake
I’ve played with this a little bit in alphabet cup, and I feel it is very broken. I would consider giving it a suspect test, as it has allowed me to cheese my way out of countless battles my opponent should have won. Here are a few examples:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9alphabetcup-1884735303
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9alphabetcup-1884962002
Tbh I don’t think e speed is the problem there’s simply not enough abusers for it to be banned. (Oms typically seek tiering action on abusers rather then a piece of their gimmick.)To be honestly, the bigger problem really feels like ESpeed to me, since Eiscue is also insanely strong with it. Any way to get easy attack boosts then automatically outspeed effectively every single other pokemon besides ghost types is really rough to deal with.
I suppose that's fair, but I would argue that alphabet cup has an extra lever at its disposal with the ability to limit moves to only be available to the pokemon that naturally get the move. Otherwise, why would belly drum, shift gear, and so on be allowed for the mons that get them by default instead of being banned entirely?Tbh I don’t think e speed is the problem there’s simply not enough abusers for it to be banned. (Oms typically seek tiering action on abusers rather then a piece of their gimmick.)
Let's talk about it.Tbh I don’t think e speed is the problem there’s simply not enough abusers for it to be banned. (Oms typically seek tiering action on abusers rather then a piece of their gimmick.)
Yea I did mean restrict instead of banned.I suppose that's fair, but I would argue that alphabet cup has an extra lever at its disposal with the ability to limit moves to only be available to the pokemon that naturally get the move. Otherwise, why would belly drum, shift gear, and so on be allowed for the mons that get them by default instead of being banned entirely?
Chien pao just got banned.Is there going to be any bans or suspects coming to this metagame soon? The fact that Chi- Yu and Chien- Pao are still allowed is disturbing.
I've talked in another post about some of the other broken threats, where I mentioned Regieleki in particular as being overwhelming with access to revelation dance, a far better tera blast, on top of already being broken in its own right, so it's not like I disagree. However, all of the pokémon you mention in your post have something in common, which is an unfavourable matchup to the some of best extreme speeders, Eiscue, Enamorus, and even Sylveon.I love alphabet cup but this is honestly the least balanced initial iteration of it I've played so far, I have a very long list of stuff I think is broken or unhealthy, and spoilers most of it is stuff that is banned from OU and honestly shouldn't have been allowed in the first place lmao
It doesn't even gain anything in this meta and it's still impossible to switch in on, especially in sun
The general presence of strong spdef pivots like AV amoonguss and muk-alola make regieleki feel more manageable, but it's still strong and able to abuse tera to the fullest extent. Prevalence of Spikes lets the Regieleki user chip down these spdef pivots effectively. Rising Voltage merits a mention too as that set overwhelms every non-ground with sheer power
Shed tail into something like dragonite or kingambit is still obnoxious
Dragonite is already a powerful sweeper but dragon ascent pushes it far above in terms of initial power and lets it actually beat down dondozo really effectively. It already dominates offense with multiscale and extreme speed but dragon ascent gives it the power to break everything it needs to and leads to it feeling unhealthy to me
It has even more power than normal and can debilitate foes early game with knock off. It feels broken for much of the same reasons it felt broken in pre-home OU, the ability to flip matchups with tera while setting up and being so strong late game is overbearing. But it also has more tricks, like bullet punch, tera fire bitter blade, and some other surprising coverage that gives it more set variety too.
(single) No switch ins and SD has almost no defensive counter play at all
This is still here too? Even in a meta with more options for special tanks Iron Bundle is still basically a speed king that 2HKOs everything with the appropriate move
Annihilape is such an overwhelming wincon for the same reasons it was banned from OU. It can punish counterplay with Tera, covert cloak, Aqua Step or Mach Punch, and it even has set variety in being able to run a usable CB set.
This conversation about extreme speed is missing the plot so hard when there is so much other broken stuff. The standards for what's broken in an OM is not based on what people use the most. Personally I think Eiscue and Enamorus are both fine for now, both strong mons but somewhat matchup dependent and can't handle Unaware mons
Oh really? I keep running into it.Chien pao just got banned.
It’s not implemented on the ladder yet bans take time to implement.Oh really? I keep running into it.