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  1. GSC In-game tiers

    holy crap, i just found out Haunter doesn't learn the TM Punches. seriously??? he's got freaking floating hands, his punches should be awesome. Abra is Top Tier, with or without trade. Gastly (trade) is High, while Gastly (no trade) might even be Low; personally I'd put him in the Mid Tier...
  2. GSC In-game tiers

    yeah, it should be pretty obvious how to tier those guys: Dratini - Low Skarmory (SC) - Low (comes way too late for the E4, and not particularly amazing against Kanto or Red) Scizor/Steelix - Low (incredibly annoying to get because you have to catch a Magnemite with a Metal Coat; otherwise...
  3. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    Yeah I definitely agree with this. Check out Graveler vs. Sandshrew vs. Golem: HP / Atk / Def / Spc / Spe Graveler: 55/95/115/45/35 Sandslash: 75/100/110/55/65 Golem: 80/110/130/55/45 Those are significant differences, particularly in bulk. I don't see how anyone could say that Graveler...
  4. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    um, his lead Gyarados almost certainly OHKOs you with Hydro Pump, right?
  5. GSC In-game tiers

    1) definitely right about ThunderPunch, it's just more reliable than Thunder. bad oversight on my part. 2) well, since you can't get Steelix or Scizor, i guess Skarmory (Steel Wing) wins by default. woo hoo! default: the two sweetest words in the English language. 3) i've never used Sudowoodo...
  6. HeartGold and SoulSilver ingame tiers

    Oh, Megahorn is definitely the best Bug move, it just sucks that Heracross doesn't get any Bug moves until Lv55. Compare that to Scyther, who gets U-Turn immediately. Basically, Heracross functions as a STAB Fighting-type until Lv55, after which he has the best STAB Bug and Fighting moves...
  7. HeartGold and SoulSilver ingame tiers

    Copied this over from the GSC thread: What's the best STAB Pokemon for each type? 2 rules: 1) It should have a decent STAB move early and a strong STAB move late 2) No starters Psychic: Abra (Confusion -> Psybeam -> Psychic) Ground: Geodude (Magnitude -> Earthquake) Flying: Scyther (Wing Attack...
  8. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    Soloing (without grinding) doesn't typically result in a Pokemon that's overleveled enough to beat the E4, with a couple of exceptions. But that and Nuzlockes are off-topic. I believe you're trying to make the point that Geodude is better than Diglett in a team of 4-6 (the conditions for this...
  9. GSC In-game tiers

    Berry Juice will eventually become a Rare Candy if Shuckle holds it long enough. Not that it's a good use of time at all. Also, this only works in GSC. Here's a question I asked over at the RBY thread. What's the best STAB Pokemon for each type? 3 rules: 1) It should have a decent STAB move...
  10. Challenging RBY Nuzlocke

    I would tell you to do a Nuzlocke without any wild encounters or battling a trainer more than once, but I'm not sure that's possible unless you're soloing with Squirtle or Nidoran. Otherwise, try a no-items Nuzlocke where each Pokemon Center can be used exactly once. (You make want to make an...
  11. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    You're incorrect about Diglett; Sandshrew is definitely better for a solo run. Please try it out if you don't believe me. Sandshrew is bulky enough to set up Fissure against the E4 much more consistently than Diglett. As for the "team player" part, you're right about Explosion - but I thought...
  12. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    I agree with the premise that Geodude should be ranked above Sandshrew, but I think both belong in the Mid Tier. Here's why: 1) Both require serious TM support. Geodude learns STAB attacks, but unfortunately Rock Throw is very unreliable and Earthquake comes relatively late (i.e. it needs Dig to...
  13. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    A quick thought experiment: What's the best STAB Pokemon for each type? Three rules: 1) It should have a decent STAB move early and a strong STAB move late 2) Penalties for high-demand TM reliance 3) No starters Obvious: Psychic: Abra (Confusion -> Psybeam -> Psychic) Ground: Diglett (Dig ->...
  14. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    Fair enough. I'll leave out OHKOs from now on (see my initial post on this page to see why I vehemently disagree with that) and I'll count TM reliance against Pokemon. Under these stipulations, both Wartortle and Charmander struggle mightily for long periods; the former greatly benefits from...
  15. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    Look, you obviously know what you're talking about. My only experience using Charizard is in solo runs, where he was around Lv49 (without grinding) and singlehandedly beat the first three E4 - he was able to set up X Accuracy against Lorelei and then Fissure everyone. However, as you might...
  16. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    Yeah, I just played this out. Digging Sandslash can't beat Starmie on its own without additional leveling. It additionally struggles against Erika and Lorelei, as observed earlier. I think all that pushes Sandshrew down to the High Tier, where it's currently listed. Here's my main question...
  17. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    whoops. i've been playing wayyyy too much GSC recently. thanks for the correction. Sandshrew is only L12 when you can first get it. There's no way to defeat Misty without significant leveling. On the other hand, if you wait till Vermilion City to catch Sandshrew, it's L15. Give it two Rare...
  18. Pokemon RBY In-game Tiers - Mark II

    An excellent post was made in the old RBY tiers thread about which Pokemon should be Top Tier: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4262078&postcount=29 This guy has it spot on. Squirtle, Charmander, Nidos, and Sandshrew can all solo the game. Granted, they all require X Accuracy (and...
  19. HeartGold and SoulSilver ingame tiers

    essentially copying over my entry from the GSC thread: Totodile - Top Tier Availability: Starter Stats: Above Average Typing: Water (not amazing but not bad either) Movepool: Above Average Major Battles: Rage is surprisingly effective against the early gyms, although you'll struggle with...
  20. GSC In-game tiers

    echoing x42bn6 here: (shortened) Totodile - Top Tier Availability: Starter Stats: Above Average Movepool: Above Average Additional Comments: Rage is surprisingly effective against the early gyms, after which TMs (Ice Punch, Headbutt/Dig) and HMs (Surf) make it an incredibly versatile Pokemon...
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