Rosa | TheShadowClaw | rumia | Squirtell 1v1 | Elo Bandit | Close | Bopher | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Dragonite | Suspect | Do not suspect | Suspect | Suspect | Suspect | Do not suspect | Do not suspect |
Mew | Abstain | Do not suspect | Do not suspect | Abstain | Do not suspect | Do not suspect | Suspect |
Sleep | Suspect | Do not suspect | Suspect | Suspect | Suspect | Suspect | Suspect |
Dragonite: --- 4 Suspect | 3 Do not suspect
Mew: --------- 1 Suspect | 4 Do not suspect | 2 Abstain
Sleep: ------- 6 Suspect | 1 Do not suspect
- SM Cup Semifinalists
- Played at least 3 games in WC V and got 2+ wins
- Played at least 3 games in PL VI and got 2+ wins
(bolding mine)I don’t think we throw out the baby out with the bathwater with sleep. I agree that Hypnosis, Yawn, and more inaccurate forms of sleep like Grass Whistle are too much of a headache to prep for in conjunction with the rest of their tiers. SM should reflect ORAS’s sleep ban, not ban Sleep Powder and Spore. Jumpluff, Smeargle, and Vivillion are all way less egregious than HypnoGar or WhistleWhimsi. They all have their own issues like susceptibility to speed boosting moves, Taunt, their lacking speed tier, etc. which keep them balanced. Beyond that, they are the least reliant on Sleep with Smerg and Vivillion having nearly 100% accuracy and Jumpluff able to fish multiple times for 2 turns. I believe the current ORAS sleep ban should be reflected across SM and possibly SS, not every sleep move. Thanks.
| 47 | Gengar | 12 | 2.08% | 41.67% |
and... its winrate is not very good.Your standards of “true counter” (always beating every possible set without ambiguity) don’t make sense to me in this context. Nothing really “true counters” anything else in SM 1v1, aside from a handful of 4x weaknesses. If you lock in both a moveset and a first move used in battle aiming for zero ambiguity, there will always be a way for an opponent who knows the set and move to find some form of counterplay. All you can ever do is play the arms race in builder and maximize your odds of winning specific matchups at the cost of others.figured i'd write a short version of the anti dnite argument, vote ban plz
DNite has an insane combination of set diversity and raw power. It has SIX (6) distinct sets that are really powerful on their own (Phys Dragonium, Phys Flyinium, Special Dragonium, Special Flyinium, CB, Scarf), and together make true countering DNite a tall order.
Dragonite only has a Special Attack stat of 100, which is just not great. It also has to rely on subpar accuracy after using its Z-Move. In many cases, Special Z-Move Dragonite will lose to a recovery move turn 1 if the opponent notices a weakness to physical checks like Charm MVenu, Coil Zygarde, or Counter Donphan on team preview. Special Dragonite, while viable due to its surprise factor, is decidedly underwhelming when the opponent sees it coming.a lot of people make the argument that the difference in threatlist between each set is very small (that is to say, each dnite set beats mostly the same thing). I don't necessarily disagree with this. There are a lot of important exceptions like physical dragonium beating mgyara, scarf beating fast shit, etc), but for the most part its true. however, I cannot overstate the importance of having viable sets on both sides of the physical/special spectrum. because dnite can hit both sides of the spectrum, a lot of matchups that would be 100% lost for DNite are turned into setguess checks. for example, altaria can lose to special dnite if you cotton guard t1, and lose to physical dnite if you confide t1.
Anti-dnite paste mentioned - https://pokepast.es/343869cbecc0644abandits anti dnite paste does address some of the nuances to the checks (it mentions fake out losing to protect for example) but it does not address the insane amount of setguessing it would require to make those sets actually work as consistent counters.
The paste is pretty old and the whole community has had a chance to nitpick it. I’ll post a condensed version with improved sets (rather than defaulting to the analysis charx spread) when I have time.it also just is strictly incorrect sometimes like w/ zardX and dragonium.
I shared the pokepaste because I thought the community would benefit and use it as a tool for building. It was supposed to demonstrate that Dragonite has many different forms of counterplay, you can choose to beat all its sets with a dedicated counter or you can beat the vast majority with a “““fake check””” that I guess doesn’t count because it can get flinched or loses to alternate coverage that wasn’t popular when I made the paste.I believe it is disingenuous to suggest that dnite has so much counterplay you need a whole pokepaste to list it all, when in reality most of those "checks" are fake
a post depicting how sleep takes a matchup out of the player’s hands and leaves it determined by luck is not a defence for sleepfree giratina-o
let's speak anyway:
(bolding mine)
Echoing this x1000. Each users of Spore/Sleep Powder has multiple and serious issues that prevent them from being overwhelming in SM 1v1. The very concept of sleeping the user is a massive risk for the player using it. There is a 1/3 that the opposing Pokémon wake up T1 (making your sleep user useless, especially if the opposing Pokémon has Taunt.) This is not without consequence on the building: from the building you're already risking some matchups. lemme actually give a example.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-1429233736-fad21zlt7jfxuc6r6e3i8e2v8sf9bo9pw
This game is SM Cup finals, g4. I'm currently 2-1 in the series. Mubs brought a team with Kommo-o, Necrozma, and Vivillon. I brought a Mega Gyarados, along a Zeraora and a Volcarona. The Gyarados is looking very dangerous for Mubs, especially if I can beat Kommo-o with Outrage (it had it). Due to this, and however, best Gyarados check that Mubs had was Vivillon. The RNG doesn't not give to Mubs two or more turns of sleep on Gyarados, and I can beat it thanks to Taunt. The way I'm seeing it, Mubs kinda risked from the builder a lose to Gyarados.
And note, that I could have avoid all RNG. If I was truly believing that Mubs will go to Vivillon, I can then just go to Zeraora beating it without any RNG.
Every Spore/Sleep Powder user has some issues, including:
being beat by anything faster, p much. 1/3 chance of wake up.
Being under 100 base speed issue, weak to Taunt. This PL has seen 4 use of Vivillion. Guess what? I used all of them, and in the four game including it, it has never been picked.
has not been seen in a PL game of the entire season.
competition with the Stall set. Idt it don't beat too much things that the Stall don't beat
Now, argument @ "we should ban them because they're uncompetitive anyway": I don't buy this argument. In my eyes, uncompetitive is essentially a way to ban things like OHKO moves, Evasion, which are abused to great success in the metagames where they're legal. On the contrary, no Spore/Sleep Powder user has been abused in SM 1v1 thought this PL, see my earlier point about its users.*
I'll also mention OU didn't banned quick claw in any generation despite its RNG nature, since... they are just not a issue. Speaking of this, I'll mention that SM 1v1 didn't banned Focus Sash/Bright Power/Other RNG items (and for a good reason: they're never being brought to tour game, where SM is played nowdays)
*Frankly it even debatable for Hypno. Gengar usage this PL:| 47 | Gengar | 12 | 2.08% | 41.67% |
and... its winrate is not very good.
TLDR: Spore/Sleep Powder shouldn't be banned; its users aren't a issue because they're already kept in check. Thanks for reading me, and happy voting!
Checked out the ADV set compendium, a few of the sets could be optimized a bit further @ ADV CouncilADV 1v1Ruleset: Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, Moody Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview
Bans: Slaking, Clefable, Deoxys, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Deoxys-Speed, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Mew, Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Snorlax, Suicune, Wobbuffet, Wynaut, Flash, Ingrain, Kinesis, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Octazooka, Perish Song, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Destiny Bond, Explosion, Self Destruct, Sleep Powder, Spore, Hypnosis, Yawn, Lovely Kiss, Sing, Grass Whistle, Kings Rock, Brightpowder, Lax Incense, Quick Claw, Focus Band
Key Mechanics:
- There is no physical special split. All moves are either physical or special dependent on their type. Including hidden power, which can be physical or special. Best way to remember, All of the current Eevolutions+Dragon is Special, everything else is Physical!
- Choice Scarf and Choice Specs do not exist in this gen.
- Sitrus Berry only heals 30 HP total and berries like Aguav only heal 1/8th (12.5%) of the Pokemon's health. (do not use)
- Taunt only lasts 2 turns and Mental Herb doesn't heal from Taunt
- GENGAR HAS LEVITATE
- Hidden Power's are considered Physical when calculating Counter, so you cannot Mirror Coat any Hidden Powers, but can Counter all of them
- Trace does not Trace Intimidate and then lower Attack
- Sound moves do not go through Substitute
This rule is only to be enforced inside of Room Tournaments
When two players find themselves in a match that would end up going to turn 1000 (happens if both players run out of PP and both Struggles do 6% damage or less), the game is to be coinflipped with the use of the command !pick
Council: LRXC, pqs, Urfgurgle, Murman , Adam3560
S Rank
Zapdos
S- Rank
Registeel
Sceptile
A+ Rank
Raikou
Marowak
Tyranitar
Salamence
A Rank
Alakazam
Metagross
Regice
Heracross
A- Rank
Blissey
Charizard
Ursaring
Swampert
Starmie
Tauros
Vaporeon
B+ Rank
Gyarados
Blastoise
Houndoom
Celebi
Regirock
Machamp
Kingdra
Dusclops
Entei
B Rank
Ludicolo
Venusaur
Gengar
Aerodactyl
Walrein
Jirachi
B- Rank
Armaldo
Moltres
Hariyama
Miltank
Medicham
Jumpluff
Blaziken
C+ Rank
Kecleon
Lunatone
Scizor
Arcanine
Milotic
Dragonite
Dodrio
C rank
Flygon
Slowbro
Typhlosion
Grumpig
Jolteon
Shedinja
Porygon2
Meganium
Skarmory
C- Rank
Illumise
Kangaskhan
Hypno
Scyther
Poliwrath
Jynx
Togetic
Rhydon
Crobat
^LOOK HERE ^
86: 0 Dusclops
116 0 Kecleon, Rhydon
126: 0 Marowak
136: 0 Regice / Registeel / Hariyama
140: 0- Swampert
142: 0- Tyranitar
146: 0 Blissey
156: 0 Swampert / Porygon2
157 0 -1 Miltank
158: 0 Tyranitar
166: 0 Walrein / Vaporeon / Scizor
170: 0 Hypno
176: 0 Metagross / Ludicolo / Breloom / Poliwrath / Lunatone
192: 0 Blastoise
196: 0 Blaziken / Medicham / Venusaur / Dragonite / Grumpig
198: 0 Gyarados / Milotic
206: 0 Heracross
216: 0 Moltres
219: 252 Swampert
221: 252 Tyranitar
226: 0 Houndoom / Arcanine / Sharpedo / Jynx
229: 252 Vaporeon / Scizor
236: 0 Zapdos / Celebi / Jirachi / Salamence / Flygon / Entei / Miltank / Linoone
237 0 +1 Tyranitar
239: 252 Metagross / Breloom
240: 252+ Swampert
243: 252+ Tyranitar
256: 0 Gengar / Tauros
259: 252 Blaziken / Medicham / Venusaur / Dragonite / Grumpig
261: 252 Gyarados / Milotic
262: 252+ Metagross / Breloom
266: 0 Raikou / Starmie
269: 252 Heracross
276: 0 Alakazam
279: 252 Moltres
284: 252+ Blaziken / Medicham / Venusaur
287: 252+ Gyarados / Milotic
289: 252 Houndoom / Arcanine / Jynx / Sharpedo
295: 252+ Heracross
299: 252 Zapdos / Celebi / Jirachi / Salamence / Flygon / Entei / Charizard / Typhlosion / Dodrio / Raichu
306: 252+ Moltres
317: 252+ Houndoom / Arcanine / Jynx / Sharpedo
319: 252 Gengar / Tauros / Jumpluff
328: 252+ Zapdos / Celebi / Jirachi / Salamence / Flygon / Entei / Charizard / Typhlosion / Dodrio / Raichu
329: 252 Raikou / Starmie
331 252 +1 Tyranitar
339: 252 Alakazam / Sceptile
350: 252+ Gengar / Tauros / Jumpluff
352 0 Swift Swim Ludicolo / 0 Chlorophyl Victreebel
354 0 +1 Salamence
359: 252 Aerodactyl / Jolteon
360 252+ +1 Swampert
361: 252+ Raikou / Starmie
364 252+ +1 Tyranitar
372: 252+ Alakazam / Sceptile
383: 252+ Swellow
388: 252 +1 Blaziken
391 252 +1 Gyarados
392 0 +2 Dragonite
394: 252+ Aerodactyl / Jolteon
403: 252 +1 Heracross
426: 252+ +1 Blaziken
430 252+ +1 Gyarados
433: 252 +1 Houndoom / Sharpedo
442: 252+ +1 Heracross
448 252 +1 Salamence
460: 252+ Ninjask
492 252+ +1 Salamence
656 252+ +2 Dodrio
744 252+ +2 Sceptile
Sample teams:
Sombrero Underground by Urfgurgle
Fargo's Pizza by SuperMemeBroz
Little Pogchamps by LRXC and Opchurtle100 (Hungryfoodies)
fraun team by fruan
Onto DPP- Same deal as with ADV, just optimizing EVs from the set compendium, update when you can-DPP 1v1
Ruleset - [Gen 4] OU, Team Preview
Bans - Latias, Arceus, Darkrai, Deoxys-All, Dialga, Garchomp, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Latios, Lugia, Machamp, Manaphy, Mew, Mewtwo, Palkia, Porygon-Z, Rayquaza, Salamence, Shaymin-Sky, Snorlax, Focus Sash, Soul Dew, Dark Void, Grass Whistle, Hypnosis, Lovely Kiss, Perish Song, Sing, Sleep Powder, Spore, Yawn, Flash, Kinesis, Mirror Shot, Mud Bomb, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Octazooka, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Explosion, Self Destruct, Destiny Bond, Shaymin
Notable Bans: Sleep, Latias, Latios, Porygon-Z, Snorlax, Machamp, Shaymin
Unbans - Wobbuffet, Wynaut, Sand Veil
Managed by: PA, Euphonos
VR Council: PA [leader], Euphonos [co-leader], Inkreativ, 187 Fan, Jabiru, Jamez, crucify.
Resources:
S Rank
Tyranitar
S- Rank
Cresselia
Zapdos
A+ Rank
Infernape
Jirachi
Raikou
A Rank
Clefable
Dragonite
A-Rank
Aerodactyl
Kingdra
Celebi
Heatran
Metagross
Rhyperior
Hariyama
Swampert
Suicune
B+ Rank
Arcanine
Gyarados
Heracross
Hippowdon
Registeel
Rotom-A
Sceptile
Scizor
B Rank
Azelf
Bronzong
Empoleon
Gallade
Staraptor
Tangrowth
Venusaur
B- Rank
Alakazam
Ambipom
Armaldo
Blissey
Gastrodon
Gengar
Moltres
Umbreon
C+ Rank
Dusknoir
Electivire
Gengar
Flygon
Mamoswine
Roserade
C Rank
Azumarill
Flygon
Regice
Slowbro
Torterra
Ursaring
C- Rank
Abomasnow
Articuno
Camerupt
Cradily
Jolteon
Lanturn
Magmortar
Porygon2
Regirock
Spiritomb
Starmie
Walrein
Yanmega
D Rank
Blaziken
Gliscor
Houndoom
Lucario
Magnezone
Sample Teams:
Tangrowth Bulky Offense - PA
Swampert Offense - Jamez
Rotom Offense - Jamez
The World’s Greatest - Euphonos
Metagross Offense - PA
Sets Compendium - https://pokepast.es/e3f75c83e46fd3b8
Time for BW! Just optimizing EVsBW 1v1Banlist: OU Banlist + Focus Sash, Accuracy Moves Clause, Cottonee, Dragonite, Kyurem-Black, Perish Song, Whimsicott, Victini, Togekiss, Mew, Jirachi
Unbanlist: Genesect, Landorus-Incarnate, Thundurus-Incarnate, Tornadus-Therian, Manaphy, Arena Trap, Shadow Tag, Sand Rush
Council: DEG, Freddy Kyogre, PA, Potatochan, Sanshokuinsumireko, neomon, Gym Socks!
Resources:
S
Keldeo
S-
Latios
Volcarona
A+
Cresselia
Genesect
Snorlax
A
Crustle
Conkeldurr
Haxorus
Manaphy
Metagross
Suicune
Thundurus
Tyranitar
A-
Garchomp
Landorus-Therian
Magnezone
Meloetta
Raikou
Sableye
Sawk
Scrafty
Shaymin
Zapdos
B+
Aerodactyl
Arcanine
Chandelure
Donphan
Heatran
Jellicent
Jumpluff
Latias
Registeel
Rhyperior
Serperior
Slaking
Porygon-Z
B
Archeops
Chansey
Breloom
Celebi
Ferrothorn
Gyarados
Hariyama
Heracross
Hydreigon
Infernape
Kyurem
Rotom-Wash
Slowbro
Swampert
Terrakion
Thundurus-Therian
Tornadus
Tornadus-Therian
B-
Alakazam
Ambipom
Durant
Empoleon
Gengar
Mamoswine
Mienshao
Roserade
Rotom-Heat
Salamence
Sceptile
Scizor
Porygon2
Starmie
C+
Blissey
Carracosta
Entei
Excadrill
Gastrodon
Hippowdon
Landorus
Medicham
Moltres
Reuniclus
Venusaur
C
Bronzong
Cacturne
Cinccino
Cofagrigus
Darmanitan
Dusclops
Exeggutor
Gallade
Hitmonlee
Kingdra
Riolu
Smeargle
Staraptor
Torterra
Umbreon
Virizion
C-
Azumarill
Cobalion
Escavalier
Galvantula
Krookodile
Miltank
Quagsire
D
Aron
Murkrow
Politoed5: FEAR Aron
76: 0 Ferrothorn / Escavalier
86: 0 Dusclops
96: 0 Snorlax / Reuniclus / Cofagrigus
100: 0 Carracosta
102: 0 Bronzong
106: 0 Quagsire
114: 0 Gastrodon
116: 0 Rhyperior
126: 0 Crustle / Conkeldurr / Golem
130: 0 Hippowdown
136: 0 Chansey / Registeel / Azumarill
146: 0 Blissey
152: 0 Scrafty
156: 0 Jellicent / Magnezone / Porygon2 / Clefable
158: 0 Tyranitar
159: 252 Snorlax
163: 252 Carracosta
166: 0 Umbreon
176: 0 Metagross / Politoed
179: 252 Rhyperior
179: 252+ Carracosta
189: 252 Crustle / Conkeldurr / Golem
190: 0 Heatran
196: 0 Chandelure / Togekiss / Gallade / Venusaur
198: 0 Gyarados
206: 0 Cresselia / Sawk / Suicune / Heracross
207: 252+ Crustle
208: 0 Rotom-Wash
215: 252 Scrafty
216: 0 Meloetta / Porygon-Z / Moltres
218: 0 Landorus-T
219: 252 Jellicent / Magnezone / Porygon2
221: 252 Tyranitar
230: 0 Haxorus
232: 0 Hydreigon
236: 0 Manaphy / Celebi / Slaking / Zapdos / Salamence
238: 0 Landorus
239: 252 Metagross / Breloom / Politoed
240: 0 Garchomp
240: 252+ Magnezone
252: +2 0 Crustle
252: 0 Galvantula
253: 252 Heatran
256: 0 Latias
259: 252 Chandelure / Togekiss / Gallade / Venusaur
261: 252 Gyarados
262: 252+ Metagross / Breloom / Politoed
266: 0 Raikou / Starmie / Cinccino
269: 252 Sawk / Cresselia / Suicune / Heracross
271: 252 Rotom-Wash
273: 252+ Smeargle
278: 252+ Heatran
279: 252 Porygon-Z / Meloetta / Moltres
281: 252 Landorus-T
284: 252+ Chandelure / Togekiss / Gallade
287: 252+ Gyarados
293: 252 Haxorus
295: 252+ Sawk / Suicune / Heracross
295: 252 Hydreigon
297: 252 Genesect
298: 252+ Rotom-Wash
299: 252 Celebi / Slaking / Victini / Volcarona / Staraptor / Zapdos / Salamence
301: Landorus-T
302: 252+ Excadrill
303: 252 Garchomp
306: 252+ Porygon-Z / Meloetta / Moltres
309: 252+ Landorus-T
315: 252 Keldeo / Infernape / Terrakion / Galvantula / Virizion
317: 252+ Darmanitan
317: 252 Durant
319: 252 Latios / Latias / Gengar
322: 252+ Haxorus
324: 252+ Hydreigon
326: 252+ Genesect
326: +2 252 Carracosta
328: 252+ Manaphy / Celebi / Slaking / Volcarona / Staraptor / Zapdos / Salamence
329: 252 Raikou / Starmie / Cinccino
331: 252+ Landorus
333: 252+ Garchomp
339: 252 Alakazam
341: 252 Tornadus-T
346: 252+ Keldeo / Infernape / Terrakion / Galvantula / Virizion
348: 252+ Durant
349: 252 Weavile
350: 252+ Latios / Jumpluff / Archeops / Latias / Gengar
358: Scarf 252 Metagross
358: +2 252+ Carracosta
361: 252+ Raikou / Starmie / Cinccino
372: 252+ Alakazam
375: 252+ Tornadus-T
378: +2 252 Crustle
383: 252+ Weavile
388: Scarf 252 Chandelure / Togekiss
393: Scarf 252+ Metagross
394: 252+ Aerodactyl
403: Scarf 252 Sawk
412: Scarf 252 Excadrill
414: +2 252+ Crustle
419: Scarf 252 Porygon-Z
421: Scarf 252 Landorus-T
426: Scarf 252+ Chandelure / Togekiss
433: Scarf 252 Darmanitan
439: Scarf 252 Haxorus
442: Scarf 252+ Sawk
442: Scarf 252 Hydreigon
445: Scarf 252 Genesect
448: Scarf 252 Slaking / Staraptor
453: Scarf 252+ Excadrill
454: Scarf 252 Garchomp
462: Scarf 252+ Porygon-Z
463: Scarf 252+ Landorus-T
472: Scarf 252 Keldeo / Infernape / Terrakion
475: Scarf 252+ Darmanitan
478: Scarf 252 Latios / Archeops
482: Scarf 252+ Haxorus
486: Scarf 252+ Hydreigon
489: Scarf 252+ Genesect
492: Scarf 252+ Slaking
499: Scarf 252+ Garchomp
519: Scarf 252+ Keldeo
525: Scarf 252+ Latios / Archeops
Prankster: Sableye, Riolu, Murkrow, Thundurus
Sample Teams:
Hariyama Bulky Offense by SolarflareRo
Occa Genesect Balance by crucify
Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/de5a964bbc19ed8b
Time for ORAS, the objectively best metagame. Just optimizing EVsRuleset: Pokemon, Nickname Clause, Moody Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Swagger Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview
Bans: Illegal, Unreleased, Arceus, Blaziken, Darkrai, Deoxys-Base, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Dialga, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Kyurem-White, Lugia, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Shaymin-Sky, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zekrom, Perish Song, Focus Sash, Kangaskhanite, Salamencite, Chansey + Charm + Seismic Toss, Flash, Kinesis, Leaf Tornado, Mirror Shot, Mud Bomb, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Night Daze, Octazooka, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Soul Dew
Unbans: Aegislash, Deoxys-Speed, Genesect, Gengar-Mega, Greninja, Hoopa-Unbound, Landorus-I, Lucario-Mega, Sableye-Mega, Mawile-Mega.
VR Council: DEG, 187 Fan, crucify, OM, LRXC, Elo Bandit, Mubs, DezShizzels
Resources:
S+
Charizard-Mega-X
S
Charizard-Mega-Y
S-
Mawile-Mega
Metagross-Mega
Snorlax
A+
Altaria-Mega
Gardevoir-Mega
Greninja
Gyarados-Mega
Heatran
Kyurem-Black
Sableye-Mega
Slowbro-Mega
Victini
A
Lopunny-Mega
Manaphy
Porygon-Z
Tyranitar-Mega
Venusaur-Mega
A-
Diancie-Mega
Garchomp
Genesect
Gengar-Mega
Landorus-Therian
Mew
Meloetta
Serperior
Togekiss
B+
Aggron-Mega
Archeops
Dragonite
Heracross-Mega
Hoopa-Unbound
Medicham-Mega
Registeel
Terrakion
Volcanion
B
Audino-Mega
Chansey
Crustle
Diancie
Donphan
Garchomp-Mega
Haxorus
Landorus
Sawk
Slaking
Sylveon
Volcarona
Whimsicott
B-
Aegislash
Aggron
Azumarill
Blastoise-Mega
Clefable
Deoxys-Speed
Empoleon
Jirachi
Jumpluff
Latias-Mega
Magnezone
Pinsir-Mega
Porygon2
Swampert-Mega
Rhyperior
Talonflame
Vivillon
C+
Alakazam-Mega
Ampharos-Mega
Camerupt-Mega
Entei
Gallade-Mega
Latios
Latios-Mega
Manectric-Mega
Smeargle
Thundurus-T
C
Ambipom
Conkeldurr
Darmanitan
Durant
Emboar
Ferrothorn
Gastrodon
Golem
Keldeo
Lucario-Mega
Pidgeot-Mega
Raikou
Regirock
Rotom-Heat
Scizor-Mega
Zapdos
C-
Aurorus
Celebi
Cresselia
Excadrill
Heracross
Hitmonlee
Infernape
Kingdra
Reuniclus
Salamence
D
Avalugg
Abomasnow-Mega
Aron
Banette-Mega
Blissey
Glalie-Mega
Houndoom-Mega
Klefki
Musharna
Riolu
Shedinja
Steelix-Mega
Do not use
Ditto
MagnemiteKey
Min Speed = 0 IVs + Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
-Nature = Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
Bulky = 0 EVs
Fast = 252 EVs
Max Speed = Increasing Nature + 252 EVs
Any instance of a Speed increasing item, ability, or relevant element will also be mentioned.
Note: In Gen 6, speed changes caused by a mon mega evolving take effect on the next turn
Bolded text will be used to indicate particularly important benchmarks
- slow-
40: Min Speed Ferrothorn
76: Bulky Sableye-Mega, Bulky Camerupt-Mega
94: Min Speed Aggron-Mega
96: Bulky Slowbro-Mega, Bulky Snorlax
116: Bulky Rhyperior, Bulky Camerupt
122: -Nature Diancie
126: Bulky Golem, Bulky Ampharos-Mega
136: Bulky Mawile-Mega, Bulky Pre-Mega Diancie, Bulky Aggron-Mega, Bulky Azumarill, Bulky Chansey, Bulky Pre-Mega Sableye, Bulky Registeel, Bulky Donphan
140: -Nature Aegislash
156: Bulky Sylveon, Bulky Aegislash, Bulky Magnezone, Bulky Empoleon, Bulky Porygon2, Bulky Pre-Mega Swampert
158: Bulky Pre-Mega Tyranitar
166: Bulky Pre-Mega Scizor
176: Bulky Pre-Mega Metagross, Bulky Volcanion, Bulky Swampert-Mega
178: Bulky Tyranitar-Mega
179: Fast Rhyperior
186: Bulky Heracross-Mega, Bulky Scizor-Mega
189: Fast Golem, Fast Crustle
- medium -
190: Bulky Heatran
192: Bulky Blastoise-Mega
196: Bulky Altaria-Mega, Bulky Venusaur-Mega, Bulky Dragonite, Bulky Togekiss
198: Bulky Gyarados-Mega, Bulky Hoopa-Unbound
199: Fast Aggron, Fast Donphan, Fast Azumarill
206: Bulky Pre-Mega Heracross
207: Max Speed Crustle
216: Bulky Porygon-Z, Bulky Meloetta
218: Max Speed Pre-Mega Diancie, Bulky Landorus-T, Max Speed Aggron, Max Speed Donphan
221: Fast Pre-Mega Tyranitar
226: Bulky Kyurem-Black
236: Bulky Manaphy, Bulky Charizard-Mega-X, Bulky Charizard-Mega-Y, Bulky Volcarona, Bulky Entei
238: Bulky Pre-Mega Pidgeot
239: Fast Pre-Mega Metagross, Fast Volcanion
241: Fast Tyranitar-Mega
243: Max Speed Pre-Mega Tyranitar
246: Bulky Pre-Mega Manectric
249: Fast Heracross-Mega
255: Fast Blastoise-Mega
256: Bulky Diancie-Mega, Bulky Metagross-Mega
259: Fast Dragonite, Fast Togekiss, Fast Pre-Mega Gardevoir, Fast Hoopa-Unbound
261: Fast Gyarados-Mega
262: Max Speed Metagross, Max Speed Breloom, Max Speed Volcanion
265: Max Speed Tyranitar-Mega
268: Bulky Whimsicott
269: Fast Sawk, Fast Pre-Mega Heracross
273: Max Speed Smeargle, Max Speed Heracross-Mega
278: Max Speed Heatran, Bulky Pidgeot-Mega
- fast -
279: Fast Porygon-Z
281: Fast Landorus-T
284: Max Speed Pre-Mega Gardevoir, Max Speed Togekiss, Max Speed Dragonite, Max Speed Pre-Mega Medicham, Max Speed Pre-Mega Gallade, Max Speed Altaria-Mega, Max Speed Hoopa-Unbound, Max Speed Venusaur-Mega
287: Max Speed Gyarados-Mega
288: Bulky Talonflame
289: Fast Kyurem-Black
293: Fast Haxorus
295: Max Speed Pre-Mega Pinsir, Max Speed Pre-Mega Heracross, Max Speed Sawk
297: Fast Genesect
298: Fast Scarf Aggron
299: Fast Charizard-Mega-X, Fast Charizard-Mega-X, Fast Gardevoir-Mega, Fast Victini, Fast Slaking, Fast Volcarona, Fast Entei
301: Fast Pre-Mega Pidgeot
304: Max Speed Vivillon
306: Max Speed Porygon-Z, Max Speed Meloetta, Max Speed Pre-Mega Lucario, Bulky Manectric-Mega
309: Fast Pre-Mega Lopunny, Max Speed Landorus-T, Fast Pre-Mega Manectric
317: Max Speed Kyurem-Black
319: Fast Metagross-Mega
322: Max Speed Haxorus
326: Max Speed Genesect
327: Scarf Max Speed Aggron
328: Max Speed Charizard-Mega-X, Max Speed Charizard-Mega-Y, Max Speed Gardevoir-Mega, Max Speed Victini, Max Speed Manaphy, Max Speed Mew, Max Speed Jirachi, Max Speed Medicham-Mega, Max Speed Slaking, Max Speed Volcarona, Max Speed Entei
331: Max Speed Landorus, Max Speed Pre-Mega Pidgeot, Max Speed Thundurus-Therian
333: Max Speed Garchomp
339: Max Speed Pre-Mega Lopunny, Max Speed Pinsir-Mega, Max Speed Pre-Mega Manectric
341: Fast Pidgeot-Mega
343: Fast Greninja
346: Max Speed Terrakion
350: Max Speed Metagross-Mega, Max Speed Diancie-Mega, Max Speed Pre-Mega Gengar, Max Speed Archeops, Max Speed Latias-Mega, Max Speed Jumpluff, Max Speed Latios, Max Speed Gallade-Mega
351: Fast Talonflame
355: Max Speed Lucario-Mega
356: Max Speed Serperior
358: Fast Scarf Volcanion
369: Fast Lopunny-Mega, Fast Manectric-Mega
372: Max Speed Pre-Mega Alakazam
375: Max Speed Pidgeot-Mega
377: Max Speed Greninja
378: +2 Fast Crustle
386: Max Speed Talonflame
- nascar -
388: Fast Scarf Dragonite, Fast Scarf Togekiss, Fast Scarf Hoopa-Unbound
391: +1 Max Speed Gyarados-Mega
393: Scarf Max Speed Volcanion
394: Max Speed Gengar-Mega
403: Fast Scarf Sawk
405: Max Speed Lopunny-Mega, Max Speed Manectric-Mega
414: +2 Max Speed Crustle
417: Scarf Max Speed Heatran
418: Fast Scarf Porygon-Z
421: Fast Scarf Landorus-T
426: Scarf Max Speed Dragonite, Scarf Max Speed Togekiss, Max Speed Hoopa-Unbound
433: Fast Scarf Kyurem-Black
438: Max Speed Alakazam-Mega
439: Fast Scarf Haxorus
442: Scarf Max Speed Sawk
445: Fast Scarf Genesect
448: +1 Fast Charizard-Mega-X, Fast Scarf Slaking, +1 Fast Volcarona
459: Scarf Max Speed Porygon-Z, Fast Deoxys-Speed
463: Scarf Max Speed Landorus-T
472: Fast Scarf Terrakion
475: Scarf Max Speed Kyurem-Black
483: Scarf Max Speed Haxorus
489: Scarf Max Speed Genesect
492: +1 Max Speed Charizard-Mega-X, Scarf Max Speed Jirachi, Scarf Max Speed Victini, Scarf Max Speed Slaking, +1 Max Speed Volcarona
496: Scarf Max Speed Landorus
499: Scarf Max Speed Garchomp
504: Max Speed Deoxys-Speed
514: Fast Scarf Greninja
519: Scarf Max Speed Terrakion
525: Scarf Max Speed Archeops
565: Scarf Max Speed Greninja
Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/1ef8eb53b9118a96 [EDITED 1/3/2022]
Sample Teams:
Team
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Team - by DEG
Team - by STABLE
Team - by Trashuny
Time for USUM, the objectively best metagame. I hope they didn't ruin my baby :<USUM 1v1Ruleset - Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, Moody Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, Swagger Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview
Bans - Arceus, Darkrai, Deoxys-Base, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Dialga, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kangaskhan-Mega, Kyogre, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Lugia, Lunala, Marshadow, Mewtwo, Mimikyu, Necrozma-Dawn-Wings, Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, Palkia, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Salamence-Mega, Shaymin-Sky, Snorlax, Solgaleo, Tapu Koko, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zekrom, Focus Sash, Perish Song, Detect + Fightinium Z
VR Council: Rosa, Squirtell 1v1, Elo Bandit, TheShadowClaw, Close, rumia
S Rank
Charizard-Mega-X
Dragonite
S- Rank
Charizard-Mega-Y
Gyarados-Mega
Magearna
Mew
A+ Rank
Gardevoir-Mega
Greninja
Metagross-Mega
Porygon-Z
Tapu Lele
A Rank
Meloetta
Slowbro-Mega
Victini
Zeraora
Zygarde-Complete
A- Rank
Aegislash
Heatran
Kommo-o
Landorus-Therian
Magnezone
Mawile-Mega
Primarina
Serperior
Tapu Fini
B+ Rank
Aggron-Mega
Altaria-Mega
Blaziken-Mega
Celesteela
Clefable
Crustle
Donphan
Garchomp
Genesect
Incineroar
Naganadel
Porygon2
Sableye-Mega
Togekiss
Tyranitar-Mega
Venusaur-Mega
B Rank
Carracosta
Diancie-Mega
Ferrothorn
Hoopa-Unbound
Jirachi
Kartana
Krookodile
Lopunny-Mega
Magneton
Manaphy
Necrozma
Pheromosa
Pinsir-Mega
Registeel
Scizor-Mega
Tapu Bulu
Volcarona
Whimsicott
B- Rank
Aggron
Ambipom
Archeops
Audino-Mega
Deoxys-S
Durant
Golem
Haxorus
Heracross-Mega
Jumpluff
Kyurem
Latias-Mega
Medicham-Mega
Nihilego
Quagsire
Rhyperior
Sawk
Swampert-Mega
Terrakion
Type: Null
Vivillon
Zapdos
C+ Rank
Araquanid
Avalugg
Blacephalon
Camerupt-Mega
Chansey
Diggersby
Emboar
Gallade-Mega
Gengar-Mega
Gigalith
Gyarados
Keldeo
Latios
Lucario-Mega
Pidgeot-Mega
Raikou
Regice
Rotom-Heat
Salamence
Scrafty
Shaymin
Slaking
Smeargle
Thundurus-Therian
Tyranitar
Umbreon
Vaporeon
Volcanion
C Rank
Aerodactyl-Mega
Blastoise-Mega
Blaziken
Buzzwole
Darmanitan
Empoleon
Entei
Excadrill
Illumise
Infernape
Landorus
Marowak-Alola
Muk-Alola
Pyukumuku
Rotom-Wash
Scolipede
Skarmory
Staraptor
Steelix-Mega
Suicune
Trevenant
Xurkitree
C- Rank
Abomasnow-Mega
Alakazam
Alakazam-Mega
Azumarill
Blissey
Breloom
Celebi
Garchomp-Mega
Gengar
Hydreigon
Lycanroc-Dusk
Milotic
Musharna
Ninetales-Alola
Reuniclus
Salazzle
Sceptile-Mega
Sylveon
Talonflame
Thundurus
Togedemaru
Weavile
D Rank
Ampharos-Mega
Arcanine
Aron
Bellossom
Chandelure
Crobat
Cloyster
Exeggutor
Hawlucha
Mamoswine
Nidoking
Rampardos
Relicanth
Riolu
Roserade
Rotom-Mow
Sceptile
Shedinja
Stakataka
VR Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RteIA0rOipjlxWLf4FO8AR9cKXqtO7Lp5vUnO0Rg6YE/edit?usp=sharing
Resources:
General Resources: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-general-information-resources-ask-questions-here.3646761/
Sets VR: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-sets-viability-rankings.3646825/
Set Compendiums: https://pokepast.es/802faa48aaddc3db https://pokepast.es/f83a6a502d0141ca (Old)
Sample Teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-sample-teams.3646826/#post-7094792
Speed Tiers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-speed-tiers.3646928/
Here's something that I'm going to point out as of now (though everything else will be released in quite a far future):Old Set:
Specs (Cresselia) (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 124 Def / 132 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Shadow Ball
New Set:
Specs (Cresselia) (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 16 Def / 240 SpA / 252 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Shadow Ball
Same defense and 6 more Special Attack.
for the purposes of avoiding an OHKO from +1 Blaze Infernape and avoiding a 4HKO from Jirachi:Here's something that I'm going to point out as of now (though everything else will be released in quite a far future):
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^ (still in progress)
Otherwise, I'll consider the rest of the suggestions later on. Thank you for helping out!