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Celever

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means something different from what you want it to mean

&the thing you want it to mean isn't as ai as you're using it to be

&the post in question feels like words for the sake of words w/o needing to readily substantiate them
What do you want substantiated in that post everything is substantiated that is an actual point and not a feeling (and when it's just a feeling I say "feels" lol)

But point taken it could be misusing the term performative idrk :mehowth:
 
re: 208 fwiw i don't agree that it's necessarily antitown but

i do think those sorts of posts can be a way for the author to prop themselves up early on

but i also don't really think it's ooc for tommie & i also think thread has been centralized on him to the point where i like
don't think he's a useful pursuit
 

Duskfall98

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I didn't even have a mindset I hadn't read the thread yet idk what you're not getting about this

You literally hosted last game and saw that I was just throwing random stuff out to see what people did with it. That was obviously a bad playstyle but I was just doing that again before I deided to try :mehowth: And I'm not saying this is higher stakes I'm saying it's higher quality gameplay. I tryharded last game bc it was my first time playing mafia in over a year or whenever that 11p Eli hosted was, and I tryharded Eli's game bc that had been my first time playing in several years outside of a hydra I played one day in. Last time was newbie-minded so I could tryhard in a casual way, this time there's clearly more skill involved so I'll prob acc post less but I'll put more thought into each one.

Feels like a tunnel until you discuss later posts bc you're only evidencing the one. Other players have read the later posts as towny, why are they wrong?

Part of the reason why this game feels p uninvestable is bc there's a lot of "I am the greatest player in this game" from you and you're kinda just repeating reads into the collective conscience without justifying them tbh. Hal's doing it too but at least cased yours
I have literally said and agreed with hal that my early reads are bad and I survive to late game because mafia don't consider me a big enough threat idk where you got I'm the best player from, I'm only really commendable as mafia alignment
 

LittEleven

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this is a good litt take & tbh it may be i'm just grateful that TBZ is actually posting but i also think that in those three posts it was p naturally presented

so tybalt can be town too for a bit
mm?
is it a good take
feels like i did a lot more this game than i normally do and i like actively tried to condense my post count because i had a lot to say

felt like something you can say about anyone and have it be true in the eyes of a reader

i don't think i have thread presence with takes from reading to here but affirming saying i'm doing nothing feels wrong to me

are you going to want anything out of my slot or just toss barbs about me not playing well
 

LittEleven

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cel received way too much flak for retracting a post 1 when they posted like 7 pages like
why is the read centred around that

if there's a proper reason to push them it'd be #382 in my eyes,
there's just too much confidence from tommy over something that's really simple in my eyes and not indicative of whether they're scum or not
 

LittEleven

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Vote HydrogenHydreigon

Yeeeeeah my jump-the-gun defense of Hydro in pre-game looks bad now LOL
might as well also talk about this
hh felt pretty pure to me
i don't think the consistency matters and isn't a reason to sr or tr them? it's more so that quite simply they seem invested in solving this game and have good content in my eyes that kind of pushes me there
why is this a reason to vote them to you, i don't feel any change in viewpoint from you to current in thread so might be useful to state if you still have the read or n
 

Celever

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might as well also talk about this
hh felt pretty pure to me
i don't think the consistency matters and isn't a reason to sr or tr them? it's more so that quite simply they seem invested in solving this game and have good content in my eyes that kind of pushes me there
why is this a reason to vote them to you, i don't feel any change in viewpoint from you to current in thread so might be useful to state if you still have the read or n
I just read his posts differently to you where I don't see where he's trying to solve. He's had good and bad posts in this regard, but most (all?) of his solvier posts are pressing others to develop their own reads. Which is really important yeah, but also the easiest towncred for scum to get because they don't have to commit to anything. Also he totally misunderstood my vote on him to the point where it feels intentional LOL

I'm not necessarily saying Hydro is a great EoD vote option but he's prob still my biggest sr so I'm voting for him
 

Celever

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might as well also talk about this
hh felt pretty pure to me
i don't think the consistency matters and isn't a reason to sr or tr them? it's more so that quite simply they seem invested in solving this game and have good content in my eyes that kind of pushes me there
why is this a reason to vote them to you, i don't feel any change in viewpoint from you to current in thread so might be useful to state if you still have the read or n
Also re: being pure Psy got townspewed town for being newbie lost pure town last game (Hydro's only other game) and him trying to emulate that is v likely

IK its meta but js it holds much less weight this time around

Like Psy himself is not being newbie lost pure town this time and is being much more proactive. It feels like Hydro is emulating Psy's townread last game without understand properly why it was towny
 

LittEleven

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I just read his posts differently to you where I don't see where he's trying to solve. He's had good and bad posts in this regard, but most (all?) of his solvier posts are pressing others to develop their own reads. Which is really important yeah, but also the easiest towncred for scum to get because they don't have to commit to anything. Also he totally misunderstood my vote on him to the point where it feels intentional LOL

I'm not necessarily saying Hydro is a great EoD vote option but he's prob still my biggest sr so I'm voting for him
#255 #258 yesterday felt really solid / not how scum interacts with a bigger read because it tries to make sense of the overall convo to me; there's intent to actually sit down and solve to them and they're not tossing out random questions whose answers they don't care about to me
#459-#462 is pretty good too atm because it runs back their original reads and they're more comfortable with them now? just feels like firmly a slot i would never vote today

i rechecked i couldn't find where the vote on him was misunderstood so feel free to drop numbers

Also re: being pure Psy got townspewed town for being newbie lost pure town last game (Hydro's only other game) and him trying to emulate that is v likely

IK its meta but js it holds much less weight this time around

Like Psy himself is not being newbie lost pure town this time and is being much more proactive. It feels like Hydro is emulating Psy's townread last game without understand properly why it was towny
yeah but they like, don't feel lost as a player despite what they're saying to me outside them calling themself bad town
being lost would imply feigning not understanding how people think but imo there's definitely reading going on and active interaction

plus posting is generally nice to me, hence
 

LittEleven

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i think it's a decent stretch to say that they're choosing to play in the style they're playing because it worked for psy last game because that fits evidence to the crime // supplementary stuff rather than a wholistic reason to sr them

what eggs you off about them, specifically
 

Duskfall98

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LittEleven do you think town should be coherent early into d1 ftr. Obviously there is very little to go off and people change their minds and can be fickle, especially early into the game. The other extreme would be tunneling and I think changing your mind is very fair game, or being unsure especially day 1. Note there is a difference between being unsure and non committal. That being said, where do you sit on the scale of non coherent to tunnely, where should a traditional town player sit iyo, and why?
LittEleven can you answer this please?
 

Celever

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#255 #258 yesterday felt really solid / not how scum interacts with a bigger read because it tries to make sense of the overall convo to me; there's intent to actually sit down and solve to them and they're not tossing out random questions whose answers they don't care about to me
#459-#462 is pretty good too atm because it runs back their original reads and they're more comfortable with them now? just feels like firmly a slot i would never vote today

i rechecked i couldn't find where the vote on him was misunderstood so feel free to drop numbers



yeah but they like, don't feel lost as a player despite what they're saying to me outside them calling themself bad town
being lost would imply feigning not understanding how people think but imo there's definitely reading going on and active interaction

plus posting is generally nice to me, hence
TBH I've checked these posts and agree that 255 and 258 are pretty strong, but I acc think 459-462 are some of the posts that irk me. ig it's fine bc he's new but 462 is composed solely of Hal's points that I later laid out in my catchup post again. Hydro didn't agree with them when Hal said them, but did when I reiterated them. To me that reads as "2 strong thread prescences have agreed on this point, so I also need to agree with it". Maybe tinted lensed by me tring Hal though since it looks like more severe townsheeping, though I'd probably notice this anyway considering one of the people he's sorta sheeping is me.

415 is where he just totally misunderstood the vote I made on him

I mean 435 (the bad town comment), 516, 204-206; 214 are clear attempts at seeming pure; the feigning innocence primarily stems from his progression on reading Tommy culminating in 532, which came after someone (Psy?) called Hydro out for no longer sring Tommy but still having his vote on him. At the time, Hydro wasn't clearly no longer sring Tommy, but from the pressure he retreated totally, which seems people-pleasing under newbie guise.
i think it's a decent stretch to say that they're choosing to play in the style they're playing because it worked for psy last game because that fits evidence to the crime // supplementary stuff rather than a wholistic reason to sr them

what eggs you off about them, specifically
Prob agree that it's a stretch to say they're going for this style because it worked for Psy but it's a vibe I can't shake, idk. I think it's still relevant in a vacuum.

But yeah I mean I'm chasing my top sr atm but I'm not invested in this vote particularly
 

CaffeineBoost

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Hi, I have woken up.

Votecount:
Celever [3] - Duskfall, M2H, Apricity
Duskfall [1] - LittEleven
HydrogenHydregon [1] - Celever
LittEleven [1] - Thunder~BALLZ

Also I realised as I woke up that I forgot to say something quite important:

Scum don't currently have daytalk. Town has a role that's stopping Scum from having daytalk.

The OP will be updated to reflect this.
 

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