What exactly is Rain Stall?I've been toying with this idea for a while now - is rain stall viable?
we've got great stuff like Parasect, Swanna, and Klefki to work with, so wouldn't it work great in theory?
Your thoughts?
What exactly is Rain Stall?I've been toying with this idea for a while now - is rain stall viable?
we've got great stuff like Parasect, Swanna, and Klefki to work with, so wouldn't it work great in theory?
Your thoughts?
using rain abilities like rain dish and dry skin to stall in the rain.What exactly is Rain Stall?
I think rain offense or rain balance is the way to go due to the nature of limited rain in this gen. It'll be difficult stalling out Pokemon with Parasect when rain only lasts 5 or 8 turns.I've been toying with this idea for a while now - is rain stall viable?
we've got great stuff like Parasect, Swanna, and Klefki to work with, so wouldn't it work great in theory?
Your thoughts?
I think rain offense or rain balance is the way to go due to the nature of limited rain in this gen. It'll be difficult stalling out Pokemon with Parasect when rain only lasts 5 or 8 turns.
Offensive: Seaking, Poliwrath, Swanna, Golduck, Basculin, Anorith, Frogadier, Pikachu, Plusle (Minun outclassed :()What are the best mons for rain offense? (defensive and offensive) I'm interested in rain now lmao
Don't say the obvious Swanna pls
Anorith :OOffensive: Seaking, Poliwrath, Swanna, Basculin, Anorith
Defensive: Phione, Parasect
Supportive: Klefki, Phione, Sableye
There might be more, but I can't think of them atm
Here's a short list of mons I've been brainstorming. It may not be perfect but it sounds good in theoryWhat are the best mons for rain offense? (defensive and offensive) I'm interested in rain now lmao
Don't say the obvious Swanna pls
It has the highest attack in the tier (95), together with a decent Speed Stat that gets boosted by Swift Swim. It'll give rain team some variety and the ability to handle Grass types.Anorith :O
Testing Anorith now and it's great - it's essentially a rain based exca (great attack, likes it's respective weather, and spins).It has the highest attack in the tier (95), together with a decent Speed Stat that gets boosted by Swift Swim. It'll give rain team some variety and the ability to handle Grass types.
I don't think sun is as good as rain. While Vulpix is an automatic sun inducer, it can't deliver or take a hit. Chlorophyll is not as abusable as Swift Swim because sun doesn't boost the STAB of Grass types. Golduck and Poliwrath can use their Ice type attacks to beat Weepinbell, and I don't need to explain Swanna, so I don't see how it shuts down rain. Overall, I think rain is better, but if you have a lot of success using sun, please show me some replays.I've also been thinking about this for a while - is rain or Sun more viable?
Personally I'm leaning Sun because it is automatic weather and Weepinbell kinda shuts down rain.
I don't think sun is as good as rain. While Vulpix is an automatic sun inducer, it can't deliver or take a hit. Chlorophyll is not as abusable as Swift Swim because sun doesn't boost the STAB of Grass types. Golduck and Poliwrath can use their Ice type attacks to beat Weepinbell, and I don't need to explain Swanna, so I don't see how it shuts down rain. Overall, I think rain is better, but if you have a lot of success using sun, please show me some replays.
It still has the same problem it has in every meta; it only lasts three turns.Let's diverge a little from Rain and talk Tailwind. Many pokemon in the tier learn this awesome, but I hardly see it on the ladder. Having TWind to outspeed big threats is super cool, having Tailwind allows you to run Modest Nidoqueen without fearing opposing Nidoqueens, allows Abomasnow to have the speed of ScarfAboma and the ability to change moves, Raticate to have more space to kill more things, the same goes for Xatu and Chatot.
Another cool thing is the Pokemon that learn TWind, my favs are Golbat, Fletchinder, Xatu and Murkrow, all are really good and decent.
What are your thoughts on TWind?
While it sucks that it only lasts 3 turns, I may make a Tailwind team w/ Fletchlinder and Murkrow (both with priority). It looks really cool in concept, but I'm not sure how well it works in practice.Let's diverge a little from Rain and talk Tailwind. Many pokemon in the tier learn this awesome, but I hardly see it on the ladder. Having TWind to outspeed big threats is super cool, having Tailwind allows you to run Modest Nidoqueen without fearing opposing Nidoqueens, allows Abomasnow to have the speed of ScarfAboma and the ability to change moves, Raticate to have more space to kill more things, the same goes for Xatu and Chatot.
Another cool thing is the Pokemon that learn TWind, my favs are Golbat, Fletchinder, Xatu and Murkrow, all are really good and decent.
What are your thoughts on TWind?
Aaaaaaaaaand pikachu just got surf back.still hitting as hard as Rayquaza and being fast as fuck is a big selling point, very little survives a Volt Tackle.
252 Atk Light Ball Pikachu Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 201-237 (51 - 60.1%) -- 88.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Light Ball Pikachu Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow: 144-171 (37.5 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock (mind you that's a relatively bulky resist, and gets 2HKOed by Volt Tacke after SR)
Nidoqueen is the only counter(Pika only get Surf in GenIV, you can't transfer a Surf mon in Gen V)
252 Atk Light Ball Pikachu Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Nidoqueen: 139-164 (36.1 - 42.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
If Pika will get again Surf at some point in the future then not even Nidoqueen will claim to be able to counter it(but that's theorymon)
4 SpA Light Ball Pikachu Surf vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Nidoqueen: 172-204 (44.7 - 53.1%) -- 26.6% chance to 2HKO
tldr Although Pikachu can't switch on anything but electric, it itself is impossible to switch into unless you have Nidoqueen, meaning you have to sac something to it.