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Welcome to the Undiscovered Movesets / EV spreads thread! This is basically the Ubers equivalent to the creative movesets thread. However, the rules here are different than the other ones, to increase the productivity of this thread. The biggest change is the goal of this thread when compared to the other creative movesets thread. This thread aims to assess the proposed and tested sets, and put the viable ones onsite in the form of additional set comments to a similar set, a mention in other options, or even a Peer Edit if needed! READ THESE RULES OR YOU MAY BE PUNISHED!
-Make sure that the Pokémon that are discussed in this thread are generally well explored enough to the point where they don’t require their own discussion thread. For example, posting or proposing a Mewtwo or Scizor set is welcome here, but posting a Tyranitar or Lucario set should wait for their respective discussion threads. A good rule of thumb is that all the Ubers except Ho-oh, Mew, Deoxys-D, Manaphy, and possibly Deoxys-S are welcome here, while well explored Pokémon such as Blissey, Metagross, and Pokémon that have near completed Ubers analyses are also welcome.
-YOU MUST HAVE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF UBER EXPEREIENCE TO POST HERE! If I see you post something that obviously shows that you don’t play much Ubers, such as “I propose Umbreon because it is immune to Psychic-type attacks” or “I propose Signal Beam Kyogre because it hits Psychic-types super effectively”, your post will be deleted and expect a warning to follow it.
-IF YOU ARE PROPOSING AN UNTESTED SET, YOU MUST STATE SO! Its okay to post a well thought out idea to test, but testing the set is the most important part!
-Do not post joke sets. If I see anything stupid like Surskit or Toxic Stalling Deoxys-A, then your post will be deleted and you may be warned. If you repost the set, you will be infracted!
-Before proposing a set, make sure you checked both Contributions & Corrections and the Strategy Pokédex to make sure that the set you are posting isn’t already mentioned somewhere! An exception would be if you feel that an other options set (such as the last example, lead Rayquaza, is) might have more potential.
Below are some examples of what we are looking for here.
Example 1: The standard set with a twist.
These sets will generally not deviate much from their original set, except they often have a change from the standard, whether it be a different item or EV spread, that gives them an advantage over the standard set. Often times, if this set is determined to be viable, it will simply warrant a mention in set comments or other options.
[SET]
name: Chople Darkrai
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Dark Void
move 3: Dark Pulse
move 4: Focus Blast
item: Chople Berry
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Speed
Often times, people rely on Taunt Mewtwo to stop the Wobbuffet + Darkrai combination, thus this set takes advantage of this reliance via the use of the Fighting resist berry. With a Chople Berry, even Choice Specs Mewtwo will be unable to OHKO Darkrai with Aura Sphere, while Darkrai will defeat Mewtwo with a +2 Dark Pulse if it switches in as Darkrai uses Nasty Plot. A Deoxys-A with Life Orb and 4 Attack EVs will deal 73.05% - 86.17% to Darkrai with Superpower; a massive amount of damage, but Darkrai can prevent being revenged killed if it is at near full health.
Example 2: The Concept
Sometimes, you may test some concepts, and realize they seem to work. Only one problem; you can’t seem to settle down on an EV spread and/or item! That’s okay, just post what you tested, and ask for help!
[SET]
name: Mixed Metagross
move 1: Grass Knot
move 2: Meteor Mash / Bullet Punch / Earthquake
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Earthquake / Bullet Punch
move 4: Explosion
item: Life Orb / Expert Belt
nature: Hasty
evs: mentioned below
Okay, I know this set is getting in the analysis in some form, but I am unsure what the main EV spread, nature, and item is going to be, because I have lots to test! The idea of this set is to simply do a massive amount of damage to one of the most common Metagross switch-ins, Groudon (and Kyogre for one EV spread!), and to a lesser extant Hidden Power Fire for Forretress (I didn’t use this nearly as much though, because I was testing this Metagross on Rain Teams most often times). I have tested two variations of this set so far: A Hasty Metagross with 252 Attack / 36 Special Attack / 216 Speed with an Expert Belt, and a Hasty Metagross with 42 Attack / 252 Special Attack / 216 Speed. The first variation has just enough Special Attack to 2HKO most Groudon with Grass Knot, while the Second variation was able to 2HKO even max HP Kyogre 87.49% of the time when taking Leftovers Recover into account (Stealth Rock will guarantee a 2HKO)! Both EV spreads have enough Speed to outspeed the standard RP Groudon before the boost with a 30 IV in Speed (for HP Fire). While the sets worked pretty well for me, I feel that I need to test a bunch of more bulky alternatives, and Shuca Berry until I determine what the main EV spread will be.
Example 3: Proposing a set before testing it
So, you just thought of an intriguing set to test, but what if you want some feedback on it before you get to the testing stage? Making teams can sometimes be difficult for some people, so proposing an untested set can be helpful in case there are better EV spreads, moves to use, or if someone has actually tested the set before! YOU MUST STATE THAT YOU HAVE NOT TESTED THE SET WHEN YOU DO THIS! You should also intend on testing the set yourself if you are proposing it! Make sure you explain why you are testing the set, posting a set you are going to test with no explanation is a really poor way to go about proposing sets before testing them.
-Make sure that the Pokémon that are discussed in this thread are generally well explored enough to the point where they don’t require their own discussion thread. For example, posting or proposing a Mewtwo or Scizor set is welcome here, but posting a Tyranitar or Lucario set should wait for their respective discussion threads. A good rule of thumb is that all the Ubers except Ho-oh, Mew, Deoxys-D, Manaphy, and possibly Deoxys-S are welcome here, while well explored Pokémon such as Blissey, Metagross, and Pokémon that have near completed Ubers analyses are also welcome.
-YOU MUST HAVE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF UBER EXPEREIENCE TO POST HERE! If I see you post something that obviously shows that you don’t play much Ubers, such as “I propose Umbreon because it is immune to Psychic-type attacks” or “I propose Signal Beam Kyogre because it hits Psychic-types super effectively”, your post will be deleted and expect a warning to follow it.
-IF YOU ARE PROPOSING AN UNTESTED SET, YOU MUST STATE SO! Its okay to post a well thought out idea to test, but testing the set is the most important part!
-Do not post joke sets. If I see anything stupid like Surskit or Toxic Stalling Deoxys-A, then your post will be deleted and you may be warned. If you repost the set, you will be infracted!
-Before proposing a set, make sure you checked both Contributions & Corrections and the Strategy Pokédex to make sure that the set you are posting isn’t already mentioned somewhere! An exception would be if you feel that an other options set (such as the last example, lead Rayquaza, is) might have more potential.
Below are some examples of what we are looking for here.
Example 1: The standard set with a twist.
These sets will generally not deviate much from their original set, except they often have a change from the standard, whether it be a different item or EV spread, that gives them an advantage over the standard set. Often times, if this set is determined to be viable, it will simply warrant a mention in set comments or other options.
[SET]
name: Chople Darkrai
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Dark Void
move 3: Dark Pulse
move 4: Focus Blast
item: Chople Berry
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Speed
Often times, people rely on Taunt Mewtwo to stop the Wobbuffet + Darkrai combination, thus this set takes advantage of this reliance via the use of the Fighting resist berry. With a Chople Berry, even Choice Specs Mewtwo will be unable to OHKO Darkrai with Aura Sphere, while Darkrai will defeat Mewtwo with a +2 Dark Pulse if it switches in as Darkrai uses Nasty Plot. A Deoxys-A with Life Orb and 4 Attack EVs will deal 73.05% - 86.17% to Darkrai with Superpower; a massive amount of damage, but Darkrai can prevent being revenged killed if it is at near full health.
Example 2: The Concept
Sometimes, you may test some concepts, and realize they seem to work. Only one problem; you can’t seem to settle down on an EV spread and/or item! That’s okay, just post what you tested, and ask for help!
[SET]
name: Mixed Metagross
move 1: Grass Knot
move 2: Meteor Mash / Bullet Punch / Earthquake
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Earthquake / Bullet Punch
move 4: Explosion
item: Life Orb / Expert Belt
nature: Hasty
evs: mentioned below
Okay, I know this set is getting in the analysis in some form, but I am unsure what the main EV spread, nature, and item is going to be, because I have lots to test! The idea of this set is to simply do a massive amount of damage to one of the most common Metagross switch-ins, Groudon (and Kyogre for one EV spread!), and to a lesser extant Hidden Power Fire for Forretress (I didn’t use this nearly as much though, because I was testing this Metagross on Rain Teams most often times). I have tested two variations of this set so far: A Hasty Metagross with 252 Attack / 36 Special Attack / 216 Speed with an Expert Belt, and a Hasty Metagross with 42 Attack / 252 Special Attack / 216 Speed. The first variation has just enough Special Attack to 2HKO most Groudon with Grass Knot, while the Second variation was able to 2HKO even max HP Kyogre 87.49% of the time when taking Leftovers Recover into account (Stealth Rock will guarantee a 2HKO)! Both EV spreads have enough Speed to outspeed the standard RP Groudon before the boost with a 30 IV in Speed (for HP Fire). While the sets worked pretty well for me, I feel that I need to test a bunch of more bulky alternatives, and Shuca Berry until I determine what the main EV spread will be.
Example 3: Proposing a set before testing it
So, you just thought of an intriguing set to test, but what if you want some feedback on it before you get to the testing stage? Making teams can sometimes be difficult for some people, so proposing an untested set can be helpful in case there are better EV spreads, moves to use, or if someone has actually tested the set before! YOU MUST STATE THAT YOU HAVE NOT TESTED THE SET WHEN YOU DO THIS! You should also intend on testing the set yourself if you are proposing it! Make sure you explain why you are testing the set, posting a set you are going to test with no explanation is a really poor way to go about proposing sets before testing them.