Metagame USUM Metagame Discussion Thread

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And lopunny gets completely walled against pex, diancie gets walled by chansey, unless they're worn down by entry hazards, which you can't put against m sableye.

The only pokemon that can set rocks against sableye are diancie, clefable, and mold breaker excadrill. Which further supports my point that M sableye is over centralizing and forces you to put one of these 3 pokemon on your team to ever set entry hazards against it.

I think you are looking at this from too much of a one dimensional perspective. Obviously if you have double hazard Ferrothorn you are going to have a tough time getting them up vs sab stall. But hazards are certainly not the only way to make progress vs stall and in games in general. If you are running a rocker that has trouble vs stall then you should generally be running a defogger that does well in the matchup as to not lose the hazard war, unless you have a better game plan vs stall. Examples would be taunt tornados or taunt fini. Facing fat and stall is definitely one of the harder matchups to learn, but it is far from unfairly good. Examples of how to matchup well vs stall would be to have a way to outlast it(ditto, taunt users, double regenerator) or have a way to break through ut Using pressure and powerful breakers(volturn, setup sweepers, etc.)you cant expect just to automatically be able to set them up, you need a better team if you absolutely have to have rocks to win a game.