Data Usage-Based Tier Update for March 2023 (an aroma of PU)

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Dear PU,

PLEEEEASE let ZU have Quaxwell. If you do not, we will be left without a decent spinner and it will be your fault.

Yours truly, the ZU Community.
You can have Deligoat as your only hazzard control. Maybe Hatena is viable in ZU??
 
Honest? How the fuck does Meowscarada keep getting near top 10 in usage? It’s above Garg, Roaring Moon, Glimmora, Garchomp, Skeledirge, and Iron Moth.
Do furries still not realize Protean was nerfed or are they really that dedicated to fapbait?
 
Dang, Pelliper moving from UU to OU caused every viable rain mon to drop. Didn't think it would do that much.
 
Honest? How the fuck does Meowscarada keep getting near top 10 in usage? It’s above Garg, Roaring Moon, Glimmora, Garchomp, Skeledirge, and Iron Moth.
Do furries still not realize Protean was nerfed or are they really that dedicated to fapbait?
Protean isn't even the most used ability on Meowscarada, flower trick and knock off are the attacks you will use most of the time. It is the fastest spikes user and has accest to taunt so it is a great suicide lead on HO.
 

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Honest? How the fuck does Meowscarada keep getting near top 10 in usage? It’s above Garg, Roaring Moon, Glimmora, Garchomp, Skeledirge, and Iron Moth.
Do furries still not realize Protean was nerfed or are they really that dedicated to fapbait?
It's a poor reflection on you when your immediate reaction to high Meowscarada usage isn't tied to starter bias, new toy syndrome or the very concept that a Pokemon is good, but instead "fapbait".
 
You can have Deligoat as your only hazzard control. Maybe Hatena is viable in ZU??
You guys can run stuff like swablu or fomantis or rookidee for defog. The latter especially is insane since its the pre evo of corvi. Use them well. Oh also u have a dragon type defogger in noibat. thats INSANE. idk what u guys see problem with.


dont worry about Quaxwell.. just run quaxly.
 
You guys can run stuff like swablu or fomantis or rookidee for defog. The latter especially is insane since its the pre evo of corvi. Use them well. Oh also u have a dragon type defogger in noibat. thats INSANE. idk what u guys see problem with.


dont worry about Quaxwell.. just run quaxly.
Corvisquire is still a thing
 
"PU, please don't use Quaxwell! We need hazard control badly"

"Use this totally not garbage hazard removal that has to decide between boots or eviolite and would probably still fold to any half-competent rocker left"

I'm sorry to burst the bubble of anyone left reading this thread but you are going to have to accept the gospel of Heavy Duty Boots. Get comfortable staring at :heavy-duty-boots: every time you boot up ZU (or any other tier for that matter). Poor hazard control is part and parcel of a limited dex, especially one with a poor showing of legendaries or mythicals.

Listed below are all hazard removal options that ZU will likely have
Rapid Spin
:carkol: :toedscool: - get on your knees and beg the PU playerbase that these two don't stay

:delibird:
:steenee:
:bergmite:
:bramblin:
:pineco:
:quaxly:
:rolycoly:

Defog
:corvisquire:
:dartrix:
:fletchinder:
:rufflet:
:drifloon:
:noibat:
:rookidee:
:rowlet:
:swablu:

Magic Bounce
:Hattrem: - you're haggling for this too fyi
:hatenna:

Quite the list. I foresee that rapid spin will be dominant since all of the defoggers are weak to stealth rock, have poor bulk or have greater ambitions in life beyond mere janitorial work (see our good friend :rufflet:). Accounting for this, a more reasonable list of viable hazard control would be :Hatenna:, :Dartrix: and :Bramblin:. Hatenna is passable as hazard removal. Dartrix and Bramblin beat many of the rockers (mainly grounds and rocks at this point) but aren't that good at hazard control.

But pretty much everything on this list loses to something like eviolite Dunsparce or Glalie (sash lead Delibird by extension) or Frogadier, if they all end up ZU. Even something like Sudowoodoo has a non-0% chance of clicking the kill button on your dedicated removal and boom there goes your removal. Even if PU nicks the common Pokemon for Stealth Rocks, Spikes, Sticky Webs and Toxic Spikes, there will be a wide supply of Pokemon that can use these moves viably. The only exception to this rule would be Sticky Webs under the condition that PU gets its act together and steals both Surskit and Kricketune which a) is unlikely since the town ain't big enough for both of them b) won't matter if it is a flash in the pan trend.

Heavy Duty Boots is the most practical way that ZU will end up dealing with hazards. Hazard control is demonstrably lacklustre and not every team can afford to play aggressively or stack hazard resists/immunes. Yes, this does require an item slot which is vulnerable to knock off and trick/switcheroo but there is a silver lining here.

Knock off users:
:banette:
:tinkatuff: (or its prevo)
:Dartrix:
:Zorua:
:zorua-hisui:


I'm not 100% confident that ZU will have Tinkatuff or Shroodle. Even Banette could end up in PU like how Komala stayed RU for 2 months.

Switcheroo users are basically :seviper: and :persian: unless :hypno: starts running offensive sets here.

Trick has a decent amount of users though.

Looking forward to play ZU in about a week.
 

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No chance ZU gets Tinkatuff, Hattrem, or Shroodle. Tinkatuff is considered an A-tier mon by most PU players right now, Hattrem somehow has higher usage than it in tournament, and Shroodle is considered the main viable weather setter in the tier.

You're more likely to be fortunate on the NFE spinners/defoggers as not much is getting a shot in because Quaxwell is so common. No other hazard control mons are even sniffing the kind of usage that would keep it in PU.

Right now I'd be most scared in ZU of Lilligant who has been massively overshadowed by the Oricorios with likely not enough time to rise in usage.
 
"PU, please don't use Quaxwell! We need hazard control badly"

"Use this totally not garbage hazard removal that has to decide between boots or eviolite and would probably still fold to any half-competent rocker left"

I'm sorry to burst the bubble of anyone left reading this thread but you are going to have to accept the gospel of Heavy Duty Boots. Get comfortable staring at :heavy-duty-boots: every time you boot up ZU (or any other tier for that matter). Poor hazard control is part and parcel of a limited dex, especially one with a poor showing of legendaries or mythicals.

Listed below are all hazard removal options that ZU will likely have
Rapid Spin
:carkol: :toedscool: - get on your knees and beg the PU playerbase that these two don't stay

:delibird:
:steenee:
:bergmite:
:bramblin:
:pineco:
:quaxly:
:rolycoly:

Defog
:corvisquire:
:dartrix:
:fletchinder:
:rufflet:
:drifloon:
:noibat:
:rookidee:
:rowlet:
:swablu:

Magic Bounce
:Hattrem: - you're haggling for this too fyi
:hatenna:

Quite the list. I foresee that rapid spin will be dominant since all of the defoggers are weak to stealth rock, have poor bulk or have greater ambitions in life beyond mere janitorial work (see our good friend :rufflet:). Accounting for this, a more reasonable list of viable hazard control would be :Hatenna:, :Dartrix: and :Bramblin:. Hatenna is passable as hazard removal. Dartrix and Bramblin beat many of the rockers (mainly grounds and rocks at this point) but aren't that good at hazard control.

But pretty much everything on this list loses to something like eviolite Dunsparce or Glalie (sash lead Delibird by extension) or Frogadier, if they all end up ZU. Even something like Sudowoodoo has a non-0% chance of clicking the kill button on your dedicated removal and boom there goes your removal. Even if PU nicks the common Pokemon for Stealth Rocks, Spikes, Sticky Webs and Toxic Spikes, there will be a wide supply of Pokemon that can use these moves viably. The only exception to this rule would be Sticky Webs under the condition that PU gets its act together and steals both Surskit and Kricketune which a) is unlikely since the town ain't big enough for both of them b) won't matter if it is a flash in the pan trend.

Heavy Duty Boots is the most practical way that ZU will end up dealing with hazards. Hazard control is demonstrably lacklustre and not every team can afford to play aggressively or stack hazard resists/immunes. Yes, this does require an item slot which is vulnerable to knock off and trick/switcheroo but there is a silver lining here.

Knock off users:
:banette:
:tinkatuff: (or its prevo)
:Dartrix:
:Zorua:
:zorua-hisui:


I'm not 100% confident that ZU will have Tinkatuff or Shroodle. Even Banette could end up in PU like how Komala stayed RU for 2 months.

Switcheroo users are basically :seviper: and :persian: unless :hypno: starts running offensive sets here.

Trick has a decent amount of users though.

Looking forward to play ZU in about a week.
There is delibird to spin and spikes too.
 
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