If Gen 1 wasn't first no one would care about it.
I would! But then again I care about all generations, to varying degrees. (as I’m sure most of us do)If Gen 1 wasn't first no one would care about it.
Me but with starters since Gen 5. Haven't vibed with them since like Gen 4, though Gen 6's set was mostly nice. I always seem to ditch whatever I choose for my Gen 5 starter, but that's probably because BW2 has so much good shit to replace it with.Designs have been 80% poor since Gen 7 started.
IIRC it was the Grass type warlord Motonari who said he had a book that described people using balls to capture pokemon, and that it was something fascinating to him.Doesn’t someone at one point in Conquest make an off-hand remark about people in other regions capturing Pokémon in balls? If Conquest were canon (I’m not saying that it is, or that I think it is, because I don’t), that would suggest that it actually takes place in a time period that is a lot more contemporary than the game’s aesthetic would suggest, and the societal differences are just a cultural Ransei thing, rather than a historical progress thing.
With that in mind, Legends: Arceus establishing that Poké Balls are a recent invention at the time of its story thereby creates a rough parameter for the timeframe in which Conquest could occur in the main series continuity, assuming that it actually did.
What you meant to say is "<generational mechanic> is broken gamefreak sucks" meme, which is just typical of your average singles player who wants to play full stall(tm) and hardly seen outside of smogon cause the rest of the players just enjoy the fancy lights."Megas are an inherently broken mechanic" meme
The unflattering answer that popped into mind immediately is that they still believe the cuts were done for balance and therefore any identifiable group that was entirely cut must have been overpowered because otherwise they wouldn't have been cut.View attachment 498026
Can someone please for the love of god explain where the "Megas are an inherently broken mechanic" meme came from??? I charted it out as you can see here. 6/48 actually genuinely broke the base! 12.5%! But yeah they totally deserved to be purged without a big universal rebalance
Seriously what is the origin of this utterly baseless bad faith critique that I feel like I see everywhere nowadays
1: I agree banning Megas was the wrong move.View attachment 498026
Can someone please for the love of god explain where the "Megas are an inherently broken mechanic" meme came from??? I charted it out as you can see here. 6/48 actually genuinely broke the base! 12.5%! But yeah they totally deserved to be purged without a big universal rebalance
Seriously what is the origin of this utterly baseless bad faith critique that I feel like I see everywhere nowadays
Can someone please for the love of god explain where the "Megas are an inherently broken mechanic" meme came from??? I charted it out as you can see here. 6/48 actually genuinely broke the base! 12.5%! But yeah they totally deserved to be purged without a big universal rebalance
I also have a strong hunch Mega are no longer done simply because GF got bored with them or it started to get difficult coming up with Mega designs for Pokemon they didn't envision with the mechanic. Say what you want about the Mega designs introduced in XY, but they feel like GF had at least a direction they wanted to go with all the Pokemon they chose. But then when you look at the Megas introduced in ORAS, and I personally get a feeling from quite a few of them their designs didn't have as much enthusiasm behind them. Like they still had some leftover from XY's development, and the idea of making more was exciting, but then they started designing and they realized they used most of their good ideas and, though they still came up with some good ones, the struggle started to set in (like from interviews we know poor Flygon was planned to get one but they couldn't agree on a good design).The unflattering answer that popped into mind immediately is that they still believe the cuts were done for balance and therefore any identifiable group that was entirely cut must have been overpowered because otherwise they wouldn't have been cut.
I would also add that you could probably create yet another sub-category for Megas (perhaps with some overlap on "already broken" entries) of "the Mega isn't a worthwhile gain", notably with MMX and a case to be made for Garchomp and Tyranitar.View attachment 498026
Can someone please for the love of god explain where the "Megas are an inherently broken mechanic" meme came from??? I charted it out as you can see here. 6/48 actually genuinely broke the base! 12.5%! But yeah they totally deserved to be purged without a big universal rebalance
Seriously what is the origin of this utterly baseless bad faith critique that I feel like I see everywhere nowadays
We probably will see Megas again someday, but mainly if they do show up they'll be in a future game centered around Hoenn or Kalos when we revisit those regions again in the future. Why those two regions specifically? Because Mega Evolution from a lore point of view is pretty strongly associated with Kalos and Hoenn and the phenomenon behind it is mainly taking place in those two regions where Mega Evolution energy is prominent and the Mega Stones were all discovered there.They may or may not show up again in future if they feel like it (I doubt), but I don't think we'll ever get more of them nor any comparable "pokemon specific" mechanic. At least not in the mainline games.
As I said, it's also a philosophy of rotating new gimmicks in and old ones out every time. Z-Moves and Dynamax are both gone, the former was also dropped after Alola, and Dynamax was now dropped after Galar.They just had a shift in philosophy and decided that the supermechanic must be generic
I think the main contrast between Megas and the other mechanics is that Megastones weren't inherently associated with a region or phenomena.With that said, when we revisit these regions again the corresponding super mechanics will return with them for sure, because from a lore standpoint each super mechanic's in-universe phenomenon is strongly associated with the region it debuted in (Megas are also associated with Hoenn due to ORAS being Gen 6).
We probably will see Megas again someday, but mainly if they do show up they'll be in a future game centered around Hoenn or Kalos when we revisit those regions again in the future. Why those two regions specifically? Because Mega Evolution from a lore point of view is pretty strongly associated with Kalos and Hoenn and the phenomenon behind it is mainly taking place in those two regions where Mega Evolution energy is prominent and the Mega Stones were all discovered there.
Their philosophy with super mechanics these days is to rotate old ones out and create a new one introduced in every generation, and each generation's "super mechanic" from a lore standpoint is entrenched in that generation's flagship region's lore. Z-Moves were the super mechanic of Gen 7 and lore-wise it's strongly attached to Alola, Megas and Z-Moves were both removed from Gen 8 and Dynamax was the super mechanic of Galar, and we all know that's associated with Galar. Meanwhile, Dynamax itself was removed in Gen 9 and now we have Terastal, which is strongly associated with Paldea.
And we all know full well at this point that once we get into Gen 10 that Terastal will be out the door and a new super mechanic will take its place. And that super mechanic will be associated with Gen 10's flagship region.
With that said, when we revisit these regions again the corresponding super mechanics will return with them for sure, because from a lore standpoint each super mechanic's in-universe phenomenon is strongly associated with the region it debuted in (Megas are also associated with Hoenn due to ORAS being Gen 6).
What I find funny is that Paldea kind of went back a bit to the "not hard-locked" approach to the gimmick in the region's lore with Terastalizing.I think the main contrast between Megas and the other mechanics is that Megastones weren't inherently associated with a region or phenomena.
They were just these things that put in the bracer would let the appropriate pokemon megaevolve.
Z-moves were designed as "almost generic", as a implied connection with Alolan territory was stated but tecnically I don't recall any specific energy shenenigans connected to them. I assume that while designing SM and USUM, they still hadn't fully decided if they wanted to discontinue mechanics or not. I vaguely remind reading that Megas were actually originally not meant to be present in SM and keeping them in was a decision made at later date (and also why they are never used during the game and only show up in the Battle Tree and in the postgame story in USUM which features dimension travel shenenigans).
However once they fully committed to the super mechanic discontinuation, both Dynamax and Terastal were heavily designed "in lore" to have a deep connection with some natural phenomena only present in Galar / Paldea and not present elsewhere.
Tbfh I think there's just a misunderstanding of how the "another region" thing works, because ultimately they say "another region", but it may just well be another part of Paldea OR something that is still somewhat related to the Terastal phenomena.In short, Terastal as a mechanic the trainers invoke is once again tied to an object that can be taken out of the environment rather than the environment itself within the lore of Gen 9. That said they also added the aspect that Pokemon have inherent Tera Types which is the closest thing to an out they would have in future media, by simply saying the actual Pokemon are incompatible with Terastal outside of Paldean Origin (compared to how any instance of Gengar can Mega Evolve if given a Gengarite). Gen 9's DLC has us going outside of Paldea with explicit mention of another region (compared to Gen 8's being remote but still Galarian areas), so this suggests we can take Terastal outside Paldea and it should work unless the lack of it ends up being the Gimmick of the DLC (pending how they handle Terapagos), which I'm skeptical about since Dynamax/Gigantamax came up frequently in Gen 8's DLC content even if not within its sub-plots.
I wouldn't say that. The "other region" of part 1 "The Teal Mask", aka Kitakami, seems to be a totally different landmass from Paldea, and it's a school sponsored field trip to another land that has basically a completely different culture from Paldea, seemingly more Japanese-esque. I think this is a completely and utterly separate landmass from Paldea. It's probably going to be a totally separate region in a technical sense: we're going to have two regions in one game again with this I imagine except unlike Johto/Kanto where that was one landmass, these are two separate landmasses entirely. Ogerpon and the three heroes also suggest that this place has its own culture.(Also, let's be honest, we know that the "other region" will just be the hidden area of the map on north east....)
On this note, I can't help but wonder if the megas were all broken meme is in part the result of a "fox and the grapes" effect. The fanbase has been made to reluctantly realize that nearly 50 highly publicized and largely well-liked alternate super forms have been expunged from the main series with no clue when or even if they'll return, so from there they come up with this stuff to rationalize their absence being a good thing. It's kinda like what Ironmage said but with a slightly different relationship, not so much "Megas being cut was good and just" as "Megas are cut? Well, actually, they always sucked". Those sound kinda similar but there's different vibes to themThey may or may not show up again in future if they feel like it (I doubt), but I don't think we'll ever get more of them nor any comparable "pokemon specific" mechanic. At least not in the mainline games.
I feel like people are a lot more positive on megas after they were cut. When they were there, people criticized that they were just the regular mon but bigger, that GF only gave megas to already strong and popular mons and that the mechanic was half-baked. Frankly, all of these are legitimateOn this note, I can't help but wonder if the megas were all broken meme is in part the result of a "fox and the grapes" effect. The fanbase has been made to reluctantly realize that nearly 50 highly publicized and largely well-liked alternate super forms have been expunged from the main series with no clue when or even if they'll return, so from there they come up with this stuff to rationalize their absence being a good thing. It's kinda like what Ironmage said but with a slightly different relationship, not so much "Megas being cut was good and just" as "Megas are cut? Well, actually, they always sucked". Those sound kinda similar but there's different vibes to them