Project Ubers Victim of the Week! Season 1 Week 4: Ho-oh (Sub)

[snow]

Approved by dream and Nayrz

Welcome to Ubers iteration of Victim of the Week. Hopefully this project will help gather information and spread knowledge of checks and counters to popular Pokemon in the tier.

How it works
Each week I will nominate a Pokemon as VotW. You guys will need to nominate a Pokemon to either check or counter the VotW (make sure to state which in post).
The submission phase will last 5 days and the voting phase will last 2 days each cycle.
The "Hall of Fame" will be a ladder system with the winner getting 3 points each week, 2nd place getting 2, and 3rd place getting 1. Plus your sets will be archived.

Rules
1. Follow the definitions for checks and counters in The Smog issue #32.
2. Please make sure to explain the set. Doesn't need to be long just make sure people know why its a check / counter. Preferably with calcs
3. Reservations only last 12 hours, don't john.
4. Different sets of the same Pokemon can be nominated.
5. Don't be toxic, if someone posts a 'bad' set help them out instead of flaming.
6. Make sure Pokemon is on the VR or a viable niche
7. Don't vote for yourself​

 

[snow]

Hall of Fame

VotW:

// Winners: The Dovahneer // skysolo14 // Paradise Seeker
VotW:

// Winners: Goat Heart ♥ // Katy // Ropalme1914 // benbe
VotW:

// Winners: bigtalk

// Paradise Seeker

// Katy

VotW:

// Winners: Katy

// benbe

// Ropalme1914

VotW:

// Winners Ropalme1914

// Katy

// Vengeance417

// Solaros & Lunaris

VotW:

// bigtalk

- Certified Idiot

- Katy

Votw:

// Winners: Solaros & Lunaris

- SiTuM

- WreckDra

Leaderboards

Katy - 11
Ropalme1914 - 6
bigtalk - 6
Solaros & Lunaris - 4
Paradise Seeker - 4
The Dovahneer - 3
Goat Heart ♥ - 3
benbe - 2½
Certified Idiot - 2
skysolo14 - 2
Vengeance417 - 1

 

[snow]

First Ubers Victim is...

Groudon @ Red Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 Atk / 100 SpD / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Polish
- Swords Dance
- Precipice Blades
- Stone Edge

Ubers most versatile Pokemon and all around tier bully needs to be stopped!
Tell me some ways to Check or Counter this Pokemon!

[Submission phase ends Wednesday 12th June]​

 

[Katy]

reserving lunala


Lunala @ Lunalium Z
Ability: Shadow Shield
EVs: 244 SpA / 12 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moongeist Beam
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast

Lunala is a check to Primal Groudon due to its amazing ability in Shadow Shield which acts like Multiscale. Lunala can tank due to its ability even a +2 Precicipice Blades from Primal Groudon.
Furthermore Lunala with its Z-Move is capable of OHKOing Primal Groudon with its strong STAB Menacing Moonrace Maelstrom. However Lunala has to be worried about a +2 Attack boosted Primal Groudon
and can't come in directly into a strong Precipice Blades, henceforth making Lunala only an offensive check to Primal Groudon.

Calcs:

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unboosted dmg:
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 152-179 (36.6 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 84-99 (20.2 - 23.8%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

boosted dmg:
+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 303-357 (73 - 86%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 168-198 (40.4 - 47.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

moongeist dmg:
244 SpA Lunala Moongeist Beam vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Groudon-Primal: 166-196 (48.6 - 57.4%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO

z-moongeist dmg:
Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Groudon-Primal: 331-390 (97 - 114.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

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[Cynara]

reserving Arceus-Ground

 

[HimikoNaschterra]

My stab at this:

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Jolly Nature
244 Atk/68 Def/196 Spe
-Earthquake
-U-turn
-Stone Edge
-Hidden Power Ice/Knock Off

The speed EVs and Nature allow Lando to outspeed Pdon prior to Rock Polish while 68 Defense Evs allow it to take a Stone Edge after intimidate and the attack EVs can allow the flying tiger to OHKO Pdon back with EQ after Rocks thus locking the Pdon player into deciding whether or not they want to set up a SD first or RP first thus putting Pdon in a 50/50 situation.

-1 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 68 Def Landorus-Therian: 104-123 (32.6 - 38.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
244 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Groudon-Primal: 236-278 (69.2 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

As one can see from the calcs here, if Groudon wants a chance at nailing Lando it needs to go for both SD and RP in order revenge kill it.

 

[Inspirited]

Part of Groudon's power is that it has many very good sets that all anchor around its defensive attributes and the asinine power of Precipice Blades. Kyogre doesn't exactly check this particular Groudon if it has the right boost that breaks your set, but it is about as good as you can get. (even Zygarde has trouble with this particular Groudon to give you an idea of how dangerous it is)

Check

Speedy Fish

Kyogre-Primal @ Blue Orb
Ability: Primordial Sea
EVs: 32 HP / 236 Atk / 64 Def / 176 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Liquidation
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Thunder

Kyogre-Primal @ Blue Orb
Ability: Primordial Sea
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Water Spout
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Origin Pulse

These two need to be scared if Groudon boosts its speed as they come in, but both will move first against most Groudon and will easily OHKO it with their their water moves under heavy rain. The physical attacking fish will live max Attack Precipice Blades if there are it has taken no damage at all (yes Stealth Rock makes it scared of Blades) and has the 100% accurate KO move. The special attacker will Speed tie at worst with unboosted Groudon but is always scared of Blades.

Fat Fish

Kyogre @ Blue Orb
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 248 HP / 236 Def / 24 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Toxic / Ice Beam

This doesn't take on Groudon if it has boosted its Attack, but does have a much easier time with any other Groudon than the other sets. It will always KO Groudon with Heavy Rain Scald. This goes without saying, but Kyogre doesn't take 2 Precipice Blades without being KOed.

Groudon has a funny interaction with Kyogre where it is actually checked by Groudon should Groudon have its Harsh Sunshine overhead. Kyogre usually won't check double dance Groudon should Kyogre be forced out initially and the Groudon player use the opportunity to begin boosting.

 

[Staxi]

Defensive Lunala

Import

Lunala @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Shield
EVs: 216 HP / 92 SpA / 200 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog
- Roost
- Toxic
- Moongeist Beam

Shadow Shield allows Lunala to come on every Groudon-Primal's attacks easily combined with roost to make its ability working again. Toxic is here to cheap damages on Groudon-Primal, Defog to remove the potential Stealth Rock and Moongeist Beam as an offensive pressure. The speed EVs and the timid nature allow Lunala to outspeed every Groudon-Primal's spreads (without Rock Polish boost) which is useful to beat it, 92 EVs in SpA allows Lunala to 2hko Groudon-Primal after SR and the EVs in HP make it bulkier to deal with the Precipice Blades.

Calc

252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 216 HP / 0 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 152-179 (32.4 - 38.1%) -- 1.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 216 HP / 0 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 303-357 (64.6 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

92 SpA Lunala Moongeist Beam vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Groudon-Primal: 150-177 (43.9 - 51.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

[Ropalme1914]

Defensive Zygarde-C as a counter
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Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Power Construct
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Thousand Arrows
- Rest
- Coil / Sleep Talk
- Glare / Coil / Dragon Tail

Defensive Zygarde-C is one of the closest things that you're going to get to a counter, especially if you consider the possibility of Groudon having Fire Punch instead of Stone Edge. If you're already transformed, you'll be okay: you can literally boost Coil alongside it while not only making you take less damage, but also making you an actual threat to the opposing team. The matchup if you're still 50% is not guaranteed, but it still is almost impossible to lose: you still can take a +2 Precipice Blades every time from full (25% chance to KO after rocks), but if you use Coil on the turn that you take Precipice Blades (considering that you're slower before the Glare if you're not RestTalk), you'll have around 7.5% chance to get 2HKOed (your opponent best bet is you having bad luck with Sleep Talk), but you still can use Dragon Tail to phaze it out or use Glare to cripple it and maybe even fish for some paras. Thousand is great because it already 3HKOes Groudon without any boosts, 2HKOes with just +1 and has a good chance to outright OHKO it at +3.
It's needless to say that you always wins the 1v1 if you have a free switch, even if you still are 50%.
It also can take almost any set that lacks HP Ice and work as a nice switch to Eruption as a bonus.

Calcs

+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-50%: 346-408 (82.3 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 346-408 (54.4 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 231-273 (36.3 - 42.9%) -- 97.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+6 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. +3 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 277-327 (43.5 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Groudon-Primal: 132-156 (38.7 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 0 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Groudon-Primal: 194-230 (56.8 - 67.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 0 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Groudon-Primal: 320-380 (93.8 - 111.4%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

 

[The Dovahneer]

Practically any variant of Giratina-O checks Primal Groudon, as it can't be 2hkoed from full by Rock Polish sweeper sets with 1 turn of setup, but this specific set is likely the best at it. Hex into Draco Meteor or 2 Dracos KOs any offensive Primal Groudon variant while Support sets get hit by Toxic and then crushed with Hex while having their rocks defogged away. Only set to look out for is switching hard in on eruption, which does 2hko. Overall, Giratina-O is an excellent choice for teams with the offensive pressure to put set-up Primal Groudon into range of Draco Meteor or handle a low HP don. It also works together with other offensive checks such as Primal Kyogre to give an alternate answer in case it's lack of recovery becomes a problem.

import

Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Defog
- Hex
- Draco Meteor
- Toxic

calcs

252+ SpA Griseous Orb Giratina-Origin Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Groudon-Primal: 389-460 (114 - 134.8%) -- guaranteed KO in 2 turns
252+ SpA Griseous Orb Giratina-Origin Hex (65 BP) vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Groudon-Primal: 130-154 (38.1 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Griseous Orb Giratina-Origin Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Groudon-Primal: 259-306 (75.9 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Giratina-Origin in Harsh Sunshine: 165-194 (37.4 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Giratina-Origin: 121-143 (27.4 - 32.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ SpA Griseous Orb Giratina-Origin Hex (130 BP) vs. 252 HP / 200 SpD Groudon-Primal: 235-277 (58.1 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after toxic damage

 

[Chessking345]

As a counter to the specific set
Arceus-Grass @ Meadow Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 80 HP / 176 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Grass Knot
- Ice Beam
- Fire Blast
- Recover

Has excellent bulk, resists Blades, neutral to Edge, has reliable recovery, and 2HKOs easily.

176 SpA Meadow Plate Arceus-Grass Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Groudon-Primal: 205-243 (60.1 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 80 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Grass: 118-139 (29.4 - 34.6%) -- 9.1% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 80 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Grass: 131-155 (32.6 - 38.6%) -- 99.1% chance to 3HKO

 

[astralydia]

Reserving Mega Salamence as a check

 

[Voyager]

Reserving surf rayquaza

 

[Paradise Seeker]

tbh some of the mons mentioned above are just double dance pdon's check such as primal kyogre due to it's too dangerous to switch in. Besides, mons like lando-T and grassceus r just based on the opposing pdon's set is already confirmed, thus in fact they aren't solid answers due to they may be take down by pdon's other common sets, moves such as overheat, eruption, fireblast are dangerous to them in fact. From my point of view, Cynara's groundceus and Staxi's defensive lunala as well as dovah's gira-O are good answers, btw i suggest Cynara to add a priority since Judgment can't KO pdon, which can be dangerous while mons like magearna or dusk mane give pdon a free chance to set up.
At last, I'd like to share my pdon check lunala's set:
Lunala @ Leftovers/ Lunalium Z
Ability: Shadow Shield
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 116 HP / 192 Def / 200 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moongeist Beam
- Toxic
- Roost
- Defog
yeah it's a bit different from the calculator set, I give a bit more EVS into HP to make it roost to max hp after taking a max special attack's eruption from pdon:252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 116 HP / 0 SpD Shadow Shield Lunala in Harsh Sunshine: 212-249 (47.7 - 56%) -- 82.8% chance to 2HKO
the remain EVS are given to speed and def to outspeed 90 max speed then reduce the damage of precipice blades.
u can also change it's item into Lunalium Z if here's another solid answer to special pdon and u wanna damage it after a rock polish/swords dance, and it can also offer a way to ko necro-ultra(yeah moongeist beam can't lol)

 

[Raahel]

Deoxys Offensive Lead

Deoxys-Speed @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Psycho Boost
- Taunt
- Protect
​

Deoxys Speed Is a Great Check of Groudon Due to Its Speed Possibility of Yawning Thanks to the Sash and Pull Taunt to avoid the groudon boost Besides of the Boost Kill to OHKO Groudon. Also your Deoxys Attack Set is a Great Check for Groudon But I'm left with this that I did and it's more original

Calcs

After Nasty Plot +2 252+ SpA Deoxys-Speed Psycho Boost vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Groudon-Primal: 396-466 (116.1 - 136.6%) – guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Deoxys-Speed Psycho Boost vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Groudon-Primal: 198-234 (58 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Deoxys-Speed: 168-198 (69.7 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Deoxys-Speed: 301-355 (124.8 - 147.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[-RDKB-]

MEGA LATIAS

Importable

Latias-Mega @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 4 SpD / 96 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog
- Toxic
- Recover
- Draco Meteor

Mega-Latias' levitate is extremely usefull in order to check Primal-Groudon, giving it an immunity to Precipice-Blades and only leaving it vulnerable to stone edge, it's naturally good defensive stats coupled with max investement in HP and a sizeable investement in defense let it easily live a Stone Edge at +2 by Primal-Groudon. 308 speed guarantees Latias to outspeed primals unboosted. Toxic let's Latias cripple Groudon whilst spamming recover. Draco Meteor deals about 60% letting Latias kill groudon before after 3/4 turns of toxic or 2HKO after hitting Toxic.

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Calcs

+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 156 Def Latias-Mega: 229-270 (62.9 - 74.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Latias-Mega Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Groudon-Primal: 277-326 (81.2 - 95.6%) -- 43.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

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[snow]

tbh some of the mons mentioned above are just double dance pdon's check such as primal kyogre due to it's too dangerous to switch in. Besides, mons like lando-T and grassceus r just based on the opposing pdon's set is already confirmed, thus in fact they aren't solid answers due to they may be take down by pdon's other common sets, moves such as overheat, eruption, fireblast are dangerous to them in fact. From my point of view, Cynara's groundceus and Staxi's defensive lunala as well as dovah's gira-O are good answers, btw i suggest Cynara to add a priority since Judgment can't KO pdon, which can be dangerous while mons like magearna or dusk mane give pdon a free chance to set up.
At last, I'd like to share my pdon check lunala's set:
Lunala @ Leftovers/ Lunalium Z
Ability: Shadow Shield
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 116 HP / 192 Def / 200 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moongeist Beam
- Toxic
- Roost
- Defog
yeah it's a bit different from the calculator set, I give a bit more EVS into HP to make it roost to max hp after taking a max special attack's eruption from pdon:252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 116 HP / 0 SpD Shadow Shield Lunala in Harsh Sunshine: 212-249 (47.7 - 56%) -- 82.8% chance to 2HKO
the remain EVS are given to speed and def to outspeed 90 max speed then reduce the damage of precipice blades.
u can also change it's item into Lunalium Z if here's another solid answer to special pdon and u wanna damage it after a rock polish/swords dance, and it can also offer a way to ko necro-ultra(yeah moongeist beam can't lol)

Just to clear up what you posted about posts only covering the given set. The reason I give the set is to allow there to be more checks and counter to it. If I was going to want people to cover every set I wouldn't post the moveset at all which would lead to less posts on the thread leading to a less active project.

 

[The Strap]

Yveltal @ Leftovers/Charti Berry
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 224 HP / 32 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Foul Play
- Roost
Yveltal is a commonly used pokemon that is capable of filling many capable roles. One of those roles is a stallbreaker/physical wall role, The set allows it to check it by statusing Primal Groudon, Taunt it to prevent it from setting up, and punish it with Foul Play. Leftovers helps with longevity while Charti Berry allows it to tank a +2 Stone edge and retaliate back with Foul Play.

252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 224 HP / 32 Def Yveltal: 308-364 (68.5 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 224 HP / 32 Def Charti Berry Yveltal: 308-363 (68.5 - 80.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0- Atk Dark Aura Yveltal Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Groudon-Primal: 382-451 (112 - 132.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Paradise Seeker]

Just to clear up what you posted about posts only covering the given set. The reason I give the set is to allow there to be more checks and counter to it. If I was going to want people to cover every set I wouldn't post the moveset at all which would lead to less posts on the thread leading to a less active project.

tbh I don't wanna argue too much on this point but I should say the current meta is full of other pdon sets, mons that are weak to the other common pdon sets may make them can't switch in freely, unless u know the set by scouting, therefore they can't be regarded as good checks to pdon. Not to mention there still have some solid answers, more sets to check your given set doesn't mean more good solutions.

 

[snow]

tbh I don't wanna argue too much on this point but I should say the current meta is full of other pdon sets, mons that are weak to the other common pdon sets may make them can't switch in freely, unless u know the set by scouting, therefore it can't be regarded as a good check to pdon. Not to mention there still have some solid answers, more sets to check your given set doesn't mean more good solutions.

I don't want to argue either, just want to make the project fun. Other pdon sets will probably be covered in later weeks of the thread so they can be covered then, it isn't like this will be the only VotW

 

[Sickist]

reserving Waterceus

 

[Voyager]

Reserving surf rayquaza

Rayquaza @ Focus Sash
Ability: Air Lock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Surf
- Dragon Ascent
- Extreme Speed
- V-create

Air lock allows ray to ignore intense sun amd just click surf. In combanation with 4x weakness and p-dons low spdef it picks up a guaranteed OHKO. Sash allows it to kill pdon even at +2 speed and attack.

 

[Ropalme1914]

Idk if I should really say this or not, but I think it would be good to remind everyone that you should specify if you're posting a check or a counter, since (at least basing on this project for other tiers) there are going to be two winners. I know most are self explanatory, but others could be more shaky, like Yveltal.

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Yveltal @ Leftovers/Charti Berry
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 224 HP / 32 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Foul Play
- Roost
Yveltal is a commonly used pokemon that is capable of filling many capable roles. One of those roles is a stallbreaker/physical wall role, The set allows it to status Primal Groudon, Taunt it to prevent it from setting up, and punish it with Foul Play. Leftovers helps with longevity while Charti Berry allows it to tank a +2 Stone edge and retaliate back with Foul Play.

252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 224 HP / 32 Def Yveltal: 308-364 (68.5 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 224 HP / 32 Def Charti Berry Yveltal: 308-363 (68.5 - 80.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0- Atk Dark Aura Yveltal Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Groudon-Primal: 382-451 (112 - 132.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Speaking of Yveltal, I would suggest to make this 194 HP / 132 Def / 184 Spe, that way you always survive a +0 Stone Edge after Stealth Rock if you're not Charti Berry while still outspeeding max Speed base 90 instead of getting OHKOed 50% of the time by Stone Edge after rocks.

Rn, I would say that Zygarde-C, Arceus-Grass, and Landorus-T are counters while the rest would be checks.

 

[Lacus Clyne]

Vibrava @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Toxic
- U-turn

+6 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Vibrava: 220-259 (72.3 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

No special attacks, no problems.

 

[snow]

Idk if I should really say this or not, but I think it would be good to remind everyone that you should specify if you're posting a check or a counter, since (at least basing on this project for other tiers) there are going to be two winners. I know most are self explanatory, but others could be more shaky, like Yveltal.


Speaking of Yveltal, I would suggest to make this 194 HP / 132 Def / 184 Spe, that way you always survive a +0 Stone Edge after Stealth Rock if you're not Charti Berry while still outspeeding max Speed base 90 instead of getting OHKOed 50% of the time by Stone Edge after rocks.

Rn, I would say that Zygarde-C, Arceus-Grass, and Landorus-T are counters while the rest would be checks.

There are going to be 1st 2nd 3rd with no split of checks and counters but the idea is for people to actually post the correct check/counter so others can learn off of it