Gen 5 Tornadus (QC 2/2) (GP 1/1)

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[OVERVIEW]
Between its great Speed tier above Latios, strength, and great coverage, Tornadus is a solid pokemon in BW OU. Its STAB Hurricane—perfectly accurate in rain—is very difficult to switch into, with most Pokemon that resist Flying either getting taken out by Focus Blast or pivoted on by U-turn. However, Tornadus also is weak to Stealth Rock and struggles to switch into much of the metagame safely due to its mediocre bulk. This lacking bulk makes it easy to force out with faster Pokemon like Alakazam and Starmie, as well as Choice Scarf users like Keldeo and Latios. Tornadus is also vulnerable to being Pursuit trapped by Tyranitar, which easily switches in on Hurricane. Finally, it has to compete with Thundurus-T, which is much stronger and provides a better matchup against sand teams.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Hurricane
move 2: Focus Blast
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Protect / Tailwind / Knock Off
item: Leftovers / Sharp Beak / Choice Specs
ability: Prankster / Defiant
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Focus Blast hits Pokemon resistant to Hurricane, like Tyranitar, Heatran, and Excadrill, super effectively while also dealing solid damage to Rotom-W. U-turn lets Tornadus maintain momentum and pivot out of switch-ins like Jirachi, Tyranitar, and Rotom-W. Protect scouts Choice item Pokemon like Latios, Keldeo, and Tyranitar, easily playing around Choice Scarf Tyranitar in particular, which often attempts to Pursuit trap Tornadus. Tailwind lets Tornadus support slower teammates like Kyurem-B and, thanks to Prankster, prevent a sweep from even faster foes late-game. Tailwind should always be run if Choice Specs is the chosen item. Knock Off cripples switch-ins reliant on their item, like Jirachi, Rotom-W, and Heatran.

Set Details
========
Leftovers grants Tornadus better longevity, particularly against sand teams, since it'd otherwise get passively worn down. Sharp Beak lets Tornadus switch moves and still get a power boost, letting it 2HKO bulky Thundurus-T after Stealth Rock. Choice Specs provides the largest increase in power, notably letting it OHKO Latios and Garchomp after Stealth Rock. Prankster should be used with Tailwind. Both abilities matter little with Protect or Knock Off, but Defiant has marginal situational utility.

Team Options
========
Tornadus fits best on rain teams thanks to them giving Hurricane perfect accuracy and Tornadus threatening Grass-types for them. Politoed brings rain, switches into Tyranitar and Steel-types like Jirachi and Heatran, statuses Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Rotom-W so Tornadus can more quickly break through them, and baits in Grass-types like Ferrothorn for Tornadus to switch into. Tentacruel keeps entry hazards off the field and takes on Steel-types like Skarmory and Jirachi. It also cripples Pokemon like Jellicent and Rotom-W with Toxic so Tornadus can more easily break through them. Ferrothorn counters Dragon- and Water-types like Latios, Starmie, and Kyurem-B, and it removes Leftovers from Thundurus-T as it switches in and Rotom-W as it burns Ferrothorn, helping Tornadus break through them. It also provides entry hazard support and appreciates Tornadus breaking through Pokemon like Breloom and Reuniclus. Choice Scarf Keldeo can clean late-game with the holes Tornadus breaks, (AC) while the Choice Specs set can wallbreak in tandem with Tornadus to destroy bulkier teams. Keldeo also checks Pokemon like Tyranitar, Heatran, and Jirachi, while Tornadus breaks past Grass-types like Breloom and Celebi. Jirachi brings Wish and U-turn support to keep Tornadus healthy and pivot it in safely, as well as answering Psychic-types like Latios, Alakazam, and Reuniclus that threaten it. Excadrill can clear entry hazards, switch into Jirachi, and force in Ground-types like Landorus-T and Gliscor for Tornadus to threaten.

[SET]
name: Substitute + Protect
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Protect
move 3: Hurricane
move 4: Focus Blast
item: Leftovers
ability: Prankster
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
With Prankster Substitute and Protect, Tornadus is able to stall out slower foes with ease. Substitute punishes switches, while Protect scouts Choice item users like Latios and Keldeo and gives free Leftovers recovery to mitigate Substitute's HP loss. Focus Blast hits Pokemon resistant to Hurricane like Tyranitar, Heatran, and Excadrill super effectively and deals solid damage to Rotom-W.

Set Details
========
Prankster is mandatory, as Tornadus gets priority when using Substitute, and Leftovers maximizes Tornadus's longevity.

Team Options
========
Tornadus fits best on rain teams because they support it best, for example giving Hurricane perfect accuracy, and bait in Substitute fodder Pokemon like Stealth Rock Gliscor and Ferrothorn while appreciating it threatening sand teams. Politoed brings rain, switches into Tyranitar and Steel-types like Jirachi and Heatran, statuses Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Rotom-W to help Tornadus break through them, and baits in Grass-types like Ferrothorn for Tornadus to switch into and use Substitute on. Tentacruel keeps entry hazards off the field and takes on Steel-types like Skarmory and Jirachi. It also cripples Pokemon like Rotom-W and Tyranitar with Toxic so Tornadus can more easily break through or stall them. Tentacruel can also lay down Toxic Spikes for the same benefits. Ferrothorn counters Dragon- and Water-types like Latios, Starmie, and Kyurem-B, and it removes Leftovers from Thundurus-T as it switches in and Rotom-W as it burns Ferrothorn, letting Tornadus more easily break through them. It also provides entry hazard support and appreciates Tornadus breaking through and taking advantage of Pokemon like Breloom and Keldeo. Choice Scarf Keldeo can clean late-game with the holes Tornadus breaks, while the Choice Specs set can wallbreak and force in passive walls for Tornadus to set up Substitute on. Keldeo also checks Pokemon like Tyranitar, Heatran, and Jirachi, while Tornadus breaks past and sets up on Grass-types like Breloom and Celebi. Jirachi brings Wish and U-turn support to keep Tornadus healthy and pivot it in safely, as well as answering Psychic-types like Latios, Alakazam, and Reuniclus that threaten it. Excadrill can clear entry hazards, switch into Jirachi, and force in Ground-types like Landorus-T and Gliscor for Tornadus to threaten and set up Substitute on.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A physical set with Acrobatics and Flying Gem is usable on DragMag teams, since Magnezone traps Skarmory and Acrobatics is incredibly strong in tandem with Superpower, with the pair breaking past typical Tornadus checks like Tyranitar. Toxic can be used as the fourth move on the offensive set to cripple switch-ins like Tyranitar and Rotom-W. However, it's useless against switch-ins like Heatran and Skarmory, and its targets can be worn down easily through other methods. Taunt on the offensive set prevents recovery from Pokemon like Jellicent, Gastrodon, and Jirachi, letting Tornadus keep them at low health to finish off later.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Residual Damage*: Tornadus is weak to Stealth Rock and vulnerable to sand, making its longevity limited against sand teams.

**Special Walls**: Chansey can switch in easily and cripple Tornadus with Toxic and Thunder Wave or set Stealth Rock against it. However, Chansey is rare and detests Knock Off. While Tyranitar doesn't enjoy taking Focus Blast or U-turn, it can switch in and potentially Pursuit trap Tornadus. However, Choice Scarf Tyranitar can be scouted if Tornadus is running Protect.

**Steel-types**: Steel-types like Skarmory, Heatran, and Jirachi can all switch into Hurricane safely. Skarmory and Jirachi can also stay healthy thanks to their recovery and neutrality to Focus Blast.

**Electric-types**: Thundurus-T forces Tornadus out with its STAB Thunder and sets up a Substitute or Agility as it switches out. Specially defensive Rotom-W and Zapdos can switch into Hurricane and force Tornadus out while pivoting with Volt Switch. It is important to note, however, that all of these Pokemon may struggle to make progress against Substitute + Protect Tornadus and can be scouted by U-turn.

**Faster Pokemon**: Faster Pokemon like Alakazam, Starmie, and Choice Scarf users like Garchomp, Tyranitar, and Keldeo can all outspeed and KO Tornadus. However, the Choice Scarf users can be scouted with Protect and stalled out by Substiute + Protect.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Gamer1234556, 515642]]
- Quality checked by: [[Ophion, 433215], [BluBirD, 347088]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429]]
 
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Hey man, i'll be doing the second qc.

Firstly i think it should be mentioned that Tornadus excels vs hyper offense teams since it naturally hard checks pokemon like breloom and volcarona(if rain is up and it's not psychic gem) and HO generally doesn't have the tools to switch in to hurricanes(especially if rocks are up)
Tornadus also has access to good utility moves like taunt and tailwind.

Ferrothorn counters Dragon- and Water-types like Latios, Starmie, and Kyurem-B. It also provides entry hazard support and appreciates Tornadus breaking through Pokemon like Breloom and Reuniclus
I'd give the common rain sequence a quick mention here, that being ferrothorn commonly knocking off rotoms that look to burn ferro t1, which is something that torn greatly appreciates long term.

It also cripples Pokemon like Jellicent and Rotom-W with Toxic so Tornadus can more easily break through or stall them
I'd say that this statement is kind of redundant since you're muscling past jellicent anyway and rotom needs to be crippled already for you to actually "stall it", so phrase this better if possible.

That would be all, QC (2/2)!
 

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[OVERVIEW]
Between its great Speed tier that lets it outspeed above Latios, strength, and great coverage, Tornadus is a solid pokemon in BW OU. Tornadus's STAB Hurricane that's made perfectly accurate under rain is Its STAB Hurricane—perfectly accurate in rain—is very difficult to switch into, with most Pokemon that resist Flying either getting taken out by Focus Blast or pivoted on by U-turn. However, Tornadus also is weak to Stealth Rock and struggles to switch into much of the metagame safely due to its mediocre bulk. This lacking bulk makes it easy to force Tornadus out with faster Pokemon like Alakazam and Starmie, (AC) as well as Choice Scarf users like Keldeo and Latios. Tornadus is also vulnerable to being Pursuit trapped by Tyranitar, (AC) due to its aforementioned bulk and Tyranitar getting on the field easily if Tornadus uses which easily switches in on Hurricane. Finally, Tornadus it has to compete with Thundurus-T, who which is much stronger and provides a better matchup against sand teams.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Hurricane
move 2: Focus Blast
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Protect / Tailwind / Knock Off
item: Leftovers / Sharp Beak / Choice Specs
ability: Prankster / Defiant
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Focus Blast hits Pokemon resistant to Hurricane, like Tyranitar, Heatran, and Excadrill, (AC) super effectively while also dealing solid damage to Rotom-W. U-turn lets Tornadus maintain momentum and pivot out of switch-ins like Jirachi, Tyranitar, and Rotom-W. Protect allows Tornadus to scout scouts Choice item Pokemon like Latios and Keldeo, and Tyranitar, letting it easily play around Choice Scarf Tyranitar in particular that attempt Latios, Keldeo, and Tyranitar, easily playing around Choice Scarf Tyranitar in particular, which often attempts (I assume?) to Pursuit trap Tornadus. Tailwind lets Tornadus support slower teammates like Kyurem-B and, thanks to Prankster, (I assume?) prevent a sweep from the opponent in the even faster foes late-game. Tailwind should always be run if Choice Specs is the chosen item. Knock Off cripples switch-ins reliant on their item, like Jirachi, Rotom-W, and Heatran.

Set Details
========
Leftovers grants Tornadus better longevity, particularly against sand teams, (AC) since it'd otherwise get passively worn down. Sharp Beak lets Tornadus switch moves and still get a power boost, letting it 2HKO bulky Thundurus-T after Stealth Rock. Choice Specs provides the largest increase in power, notably being able to letting it OHKO Latios and Garchomp after Stealth Rock. In any other set, however, Prankster is near mandatory as it helps in Tornadus' support capabilities. The EVs maximize Tornadus' high-speed tier and damage output. Prankster should be used with Tailwind. Both abilities matter little with Protect or Knock Off, but Defiant has marginal situational utility.(I assume?)

Team Options
========
Tornadus fits best on rain teams thanks to them providing it perfectly accurate Hurricanes and it giving Hurricane perfect accuracy and Tornadus threatening Grass-types for them. Politoed brings rain, switches into Tyranitar and Steel-types like Jirachi and Heatran, statuses Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Rotom-W so Tornadus can more quickly break through them, and baits in Grass-types like Ferrothorn (RC) for Tornadus to switch into. Tentacruel keeps entry hazards off the field and takes on Steel-types like Skarmory and Jirachi. It also cripples Pokemon like Jellicent and Rotom-W with Toxic so Tornadus can more easily break through them. Ferrothorn counters Dragon- and Water-types like Latios, Starmie, and Kyurem-B, (AC) and it removes Leftovers from Thundurus-T as it switches in and Rotom-W as it burns Ferrothorn, (AC) so Tornadus can more easily helping Tornadus break through them. It also provides entry hazard support and appreciates Tornadus breaking through Pokemon like Breloom and Reuniclus. Choice Scarf Keldeo can clean late-game with the holes Tornadus breaks, (AC) while the Choice Specs set can wallbreak in tandem with Tornadus to destroy bulkier teams. Keldeo also checks Pokemon like Tyranitar, Heatran, and Jirachi, (AC) while Tornadus breaks past Grass-types like Breloom and Celebi. Jirachi brings Wish and U-turn support to keep Tornadus healthy and pivot it in safely, (AC) while also as well as answering Psychic-types like Latios, Alakazam, and Reuniclus that threaten it. Excadrill can clear entry hazards, switch into Jirachi, and force in Ground-types (i get that both are ground-types, but isn't their Flying typing what's more important here? consider changing to "Flying-types" if that's appropriate) like Landorus-T and Gliscor for Tornadus to threaten.

[SET]
name: Substitute + Protect
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Protect
move 3: Hurricane
move 4: Focus Blast
item: Leftovers
ability: Prankster
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
With Prankster Substitute and Protect, Tornadus is able to stall out slower opponents foes with ease. Substitute punishes switches, (AC) while Protect scouts Choice item users like Latios and Keldeo and lets Tornadus freely recover with Leftovers gives free Leftovers recovery to mitigate Substitute's loss of HP. HP loss. Focus Blast hits Pokemon resistant to Hurricane like Tyranitar, Heatran, and Excadrill super effectively and deals solid damage to Rotom-W.

Set Details
========
Prankster is mandatory, (AC) as Tornadus gets priority when using Substitute, while Leftovers help maximize Tornadus' longevity throughout games. and Leftovers maximizes Tornadus's longevity.

Team Options
========
Much like the offensive set, this set fits best on rain teams, which best provide the support it needs Tornadus fits best on rain teams because they support it best, for example giving Hurricane perfect accuracy, and bait in Pokemon for it to set up on Substitute fodder Pokemon like (give an example) while appreciating it threatening sand teams. Politoed brings rain, switches into Tyranitar and Steel-types like Jirachi and Heatran, statuses Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Rotom-W so Tornadus can more quickly to help Tornadus break through them, and baits in Grass-types like Ferrothorn for Tornadus to switch into and set up use Substitute on. Tentacruel keeps entry hazards off the field and takes on Steel-types like Skarmory and Jirachi. It also cripples Pokemon like Rotom-W and Tyranitar with Toxic so Tornadus can more easily break through them or stall them. Tentacruel can also lay down Toxic Spikes to put bulky threats like Tyranitar on a timer, letting Tornadus more easily break through them and poison stall them with Substitute. for the same benefits. Ferrothorn counters Dragon- and Water-types like Latios, Starmie, and Kyurem-B, (AC) and it removes Leftovers from Thundurus-T as it switches in and Rotom-W as it burns Ferrothorn, (AC) so Tornadus can letting Tornadus more easily break through them. (removed extra period) It also provides entry hazard support and appreciates Tornadus breaking through and taking advantage of Pokemon like Breloom and Keldeo. Choice Scarf Keldeo can clean late-game with the holes Tornadus breaks, (AC) while the Choice Specs set can wallbreak and force in passive walls that Tornadus can for Tornadus to set up Substitute on. Keldeo also checks Pokemon like Tyranitar, Heatran, and Jirachi, (AC) while Tornadus breaks past and sets up on Grass-types like Breloom and Celebi. Jirachi brings Wish and U-turn support to keep Tornadus healthy and pivot it in safely while also safely, as well as answering Psychic-types like Latios, Alakazam, and Reuniclus that threaten it. Excadrill can clear entry hazards, switch into Jirachi, and force in Ground-types (see above "Flying-types" comment) like Landorus-T and Gliscor for Tornadus to threaten and set up Substitute on.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A physical set with Acrobatics and Flying Gem is usable on DragMag teams, (AC) since Magnezone traps Skarmory and Acrobatics is incredibly strong in tandem with Superpower, with the pair breaking past typical Tornadus checks like Tyranitar. Toxic can be used as the fourth move on the offensive set to cripple switch-ins like Tyranitar and Rotom-W. However, it's useless against switch-ins like Heatran and Skarmory, (AC) and these Pokemon its targets can be worn down easily through other methods. Taunt on the attacker offensive (I assume?) set prevents recovery from Pokemon like Jellicent, Gastrodon, and Jirachi, letting Tornadus keep them at low health to finish off later.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Residual Damage*: Tornadus is weak to Stealth Rock and vulnerable to sand, making its longevity limited against sand teams.

**Special Walls**: Chansey can switch in easily and cripple Tornadus with Toxic and Thunder Wave or set Stealth Rock against it. However, Chansey is rare due to stall's lack of prevelence within the metagame and Chansey is punished strongly by and detests Knock Off. While Tyranitar doesn't enjoy taking Focus Blast or U-turn, it can switch in and potentially Pursuit trap Tornadus. However, Choice Scarf Tyranitar can be scouted if Tornadus is running Protect.

**Steel-types**: Steel-types like Skarmory, Heatran, (AC) and Jirachi can all switch into Hurricane safely. Skarmory and Jirachi can also stay healthy thanks to their recovery and neutrality to Focus Blast.

**Electric-types**: Thundurus-T forces Tornadus out with its STAB Thunder and sets up a Substitute or Agility as it switches out. Specially defensive Rotom-W and Zapdos can switch into Hurricane and can pressure force Tornadus out while pivoting with Volt Switch. It is important to note, however, that all of these Pokemon may struggle to make progress against Substitute + Protect Tornadus and can be scouted by U-turn.

**Faster Pokemon**: Faster Pokemon like Alakazam, Starmie, and Choice Scarf users like Garchomp, Tyranitar, and Keldeo can all outspeed and KO Tornadus. However, the Choice Scarf users can be scouted with Protect and stalled out by Substiute + Protect.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Gamer1234556, 515642]]
- Quality checked by: [[Ophion, 433215], [BluBirD, 347088]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429]]

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