Project SV OU - Victim of the Week (Week 52: Iron Moth) [Open for submissions!]

[SetsuSetsuna]

Ogerpon-Wellspring @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Ivy Cudgel
- Power Whip
- Knock Off​

Water/Grass type with Water Absorb that hard-checks Manaphy and still does a shitload of damage to Tera Grass offensive variants with Swords Dance Knock Off. A Counter to offensive Manaphy.

Hey, sadly this is only a check without Tera Grass into account, as otherwise Manaphy may Tail Glow into Energy Ball and OHKO. Think we'll have to leave this one out for now, sorry

+3 252 SpA Tera Grass Manaphy Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring: 315-372 (104.6 - 123.5%)

 

[Lectrys]

Check


Walking Wake @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 12 HP / 244 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Steam
- Flamethrower
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse

It's a good day when a wallbreaker ends an opposing sweep. Note that this is a check (instead of a soft counter) only because +3 Tera Grass Manaphy Energy Ball OHKOes.

244 SpA Choice Specs Walking Wake Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 307-363 (90 - 106.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
244 SpA Choice Specs Walking Wake Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 202-238 (59.2 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Manaphy Energy Ball vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Walking Wake: 96-113 (28 - 33%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
+3 252 SpA Manaphy Energy Ball vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Walking Wake: 238-281 (69.5 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252 SpA Tera Grass Manaphy Energy Ball vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Walking Wake: 357-421 (104.3 - 123%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[JacobMR]

For the Manaphy, a counter would be:
Dondozo @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Yawn
- Earthquake
- Wave Crash

Checks would be:

Zapdos @ Choice Specs
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Heat Wave
- Volt Switch
- Tera Blast

Or alternatively

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Trailblaze
- Swords Dance
- Ivy Cudgel
- U-Turn

Honestly at this point im just waiting for Manaphy to be sent to OUBL limbo.
Edit: I realized that a lot of Manaphy run Tera Grass, so i changed Horn Leech to U-Turn on the Ogerpon set. Knock Off is also a valid alternative and you could run Spiky shield over SD and Horn Leech over Trailblaze, it really doesn't matter.

 

[SetsuSetsuna]

For the Manaphy, a counter would be:
Dondozo @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Yawn
- Earthquake
- Wave Crash

Checks would be:

Zapdos @ Choice Specs
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Heat Wave
- Volt Switch
- Tera Blast

Or alternatively

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Trailblaze
- Swords Dance
- Ivy Cudgel
- U-Turn

Honestly at this point im just waiting for Manaphy to be sent to OUBL limbo.
Edit: I realized that a lot of Manaphy run Tera Grass, so i changed Horn Leech to U-Turn on the Ogerpon set. Knock Off is also a valid alternative and you could run Spiky shield over SD and Horn Leech over Trailblaze, it really doesn't matter.

Hey there, only 1 submission per participant is allowed. Ogerpon-Wellspring was already mentioned above. The particular Manaphy set we are trying to check is Max Speed + Energy Ball + Ice Beam + Tera Grass. Your Zapdos set cant take on a boosted Ice Beam, has to win a Speed Tie, and never OHKOs with Thunderbolt. The Dondozo loses to the Energy Ball + Ice Beam combo, with Tera Grass Manaphy resisting both Eq and Wave Crash.

I cant consider any of these as submissions in their current state, sorry.

 

[Zora489]

Thank you to everyone who participated this week. Please vote for up to 2 checks and 1 counter

Check
(Loaded Dice) by Lectrys
(Bulky) Dragon Dance by Joseph Gomes
Grassy Glide by kd458
Life Orb by NoobHereWaddup
Bulky by Mugenman88
Physically Defensive by InvisibleWater

Counter
Iron Defense by Zora489
(Synthesis) by quacc

Voting ends on Monday October 2nd at 11:59 AM EST​

Nvm, emoleon sucks ass so imma just do goodra-hisui. Great mon all around within the meta, fits on BO as a special attacking breaker.

This is the set :
Goodra-Hisui @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sap Sipper
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt
- Fire Blast

What this mon usually does, it come in on toxics and non 2x special attacks to soak up momentum and then fire off a powerful draco to either cripple a special wall in order to enable your sweepers, or just straight up claim a kill and switch out.\

CALCS :

+0

252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra-Hisui: 43-51 (11.8 - 14%) -- possible 8HKO
Manaphy Energy Ball vs. Sap Sipper Goodra-Hisui: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Manaphy Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra-Hisui: 58-69 (15.9 - 18.9%) -- possible 6HKO

+3

+3 252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra-Hisui: 108-127 (29.6 - 34.8%) -- 13.4% chance to 3HKO
+3 252 SpA Manaphy Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra-Hisui: 144-170 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra-Hisui Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 310-366 (90.9 - 107.3%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra-Hisui Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 96-113 (28.1 - 33.1%) -- 87.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra-Hisui Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 288-340 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra-Hisui Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 87-103 (25.5 - 30.2%) -- 0.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

[Zora489]

For the Manaphy, a counter would be:
Dondozo @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Yawn
- Earthquake
- Wave Crash

Checks would be:

Zapdos @ Choice Specs
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Heat Wave
- Volt Switch
- Tera Blast

Or alternatively

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Trailblaze
- Swords Dance
- Ivy Cudgel
- U-Turn

Honestly at this point im just waiting for Manaphy to be sent to OUBL limbo.
Edit: I realized that a lot of Manaphy run Tera Grass, so i changed Horn Leech to U-Turn on the Ogerpon set. Knock Off is also a valid alternative and you could run Spiky shield over SD and Horn Leech over Trailblaze, it really doesn't matter.

If you want an easy one that could probably win just submit cm bliss tbh. It seems you're a bit new to the thread, but the general idea for a counter is something that can switch in reliably (pure bulk/recovery), and force it out after coming in as no progress can be made from the offensive side/you set up and win. But, for checks it becomes a bit more tricky as they can be more offensive I.E. switching in once and forcing it out to set up or gain momentum. But, that's pmuch it. Counters are easier to justify than checks as spikes+rocks stuff can occur. Have fun tho, this project is really nice to have ngl.

 

[SetsuSetsuna]

Nvm, emoleon sucks ass so imma just do goodra-hisui. Great mon all around within the meta, fits on BO as a special attacking breaker.

This is the set :
Goodra-Hisui @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sap Sipper
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt
- Fire Blast

What this mon usually does, it come in on toxics and non 2x special attacks to soak up momentum and then fire off a powerful draco to either cripple a special wall in order to enable your sweepers, or just straight up claim a kill and switch out.\

CALCS :

+0

252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra-Hisui: 43-51 (11.8 - 14%) -- possible 8HKO
Manaphy Energy Ball vs. Sap Sipper Goodra-Hisui: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Manaphy Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra-Hisui: 58-69 (15.9 - 18.9%) -- possible 6HKO

+3

+3 252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra-Hisui: 108-127 (29.6 - 34.8%) -- 13.4% chance to 3HKO
+3 252 SpA Manaphy Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra-Hisui: 144-170 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra-Hisui Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 310-366 (90.9 - 107.3%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra-Hisui Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 96-113 (28.1 - 33.1%) -- 87.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra-Hisui Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 288-340 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra-Hisui Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 87-103 (25.5 - 30.2%) -- 0.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

Are you submitting this as a check or a counter?

Submission phase will stay open for a couple more days to hopefully get more checks and/or counters! Ty for waiting

 

[Zora489]

Are you submitting this as a check or a counter?

Submission phase will stay open for a couple more days to hopefully get more checks and/or counters! Ty for waiting

Check, thx for asking. I forgor to add it onto it.

 

[1LDK]

CHECK



Meowscarada @ Choice Band / Choice Scarf
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Flower Trick
- U-turn
- Sucker Punch / Play Rough

Meow outspeeds manaphy can emergency tank one +3 energy ball or one +3 surf with no rain (gets deleted from dazzling gleam)

+3 252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Meowscarada: 204-240 (69.6 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252 SpA Manaphy Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Meowscarada: 136-160 (46.4 - 54.6%) -- 63.7% chance to 2HKO
+3 252 SpA Manaphy Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Meowscarada: 484-570 (165.1 - 194.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Band kills straight up, while scarf needs either rocks or 1 layer of spikes

252 Atk Choice Band Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Manaphy on a critical hit: 458-540 (134.3 - 158.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Manaphy on a critical hit: 306-362 (89.7 - 106.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Manaphy on a critical hit: 306-362 (89.7 - 106.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
252 Atk Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Manaphy on a critical hit: 306-362 (89.7 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

 

[Overshoc]

Manaphy Check:
Ninetales-Alola @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Aurora Veil
- Encore
- Freeze-Dry
- Moonblast

It may not be as reliable, but, Ninetails is faster than Manaphy and can lock Manaphy into a weak move OR tail glow, in return u can whittle down the Manaphy, ( 0 SpA Ninetales-Alola Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 128-152 (37.5 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery), or swap into something that can kill it for you. Something to note is that Manaphys Surf does 3 shot nine-tails in return, however, ice beam/energy ball/ gleam are more in the 4-5 hit range. If you want a better mu against the surfing mana you can tera, but personally I find this to be a waste.

 

[Overshoc]

Manaphy Counter:
Clodsire @ Leftovers/Heavy Duty Boots
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
- Recover
- Earthquake

252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 176-210 (38 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (If you want to use hdb)

252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 176-210 (38 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery (with leftys)

Clodsire has recovery and eats every move Manaphy throws at it, unless its double dance then it loses but regardless, it can toxic the manaphy and win the war against it.

 

[chartung17]

Counter

Blissey @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Soft-Boiled
- Calm Mind
- Seismic Toss
- Stealth Rock / Heal Bell / Thunder Wave / Hyper Voice

+6 252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 286-337 (43.8 - 51.6%) -- 10.9% chance to 2HKO
+6 252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. +2 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 144-169 (22 - 25.9%) -- 3.3% chance to 4HKO

Blissey Seismic Toss vs. 0 HP Manaphy: 100-100 (29.3 - 29.3%) -- guaranteed 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 0 SpA Blissey Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 153-181 (44.8 - 53%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Once you've set up two calm minds, Manaphy can't win without a crit (and if you recover to full health every other turn, you'll probably win even if Manaphy gets a crit). You can use Seismic Toss, but it goes a bit faster if you have Hyper Voice.

 

[Zora489]

Manaphy Check:
Dragapult @ Choice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Shadow Ball
- Flamethrower
- U-turn

Dragapult can swap into any of Manaphy's unboosted moves and threaten it out with specs Draco, it is a bit situational however but I thought it was worth nothing for the very least:

252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 265-313 (77.7 - 91.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 265-313 (77.7 - 91.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Yo cuh, you can only submit one. Choose one and scrap the others so mods don't got to yfm.

 

[SetsuSetsuna]

Thank you to everyone who participated. Will be allowing a couple more submissions for checks since Tail Glow + Tera can make Manaphy pretty odd to 100% check. I will also be allowing both of Overshoc's submissions as 1 is for counter and 1 for check, and will be allowing this in general in the future. Please vote for up to 2 checks and 2 counters

Checks
by Lectrys
by Zora489
by 1LDK
Tera Water + Encore + Aurora Veil by Overshoc

Counters
SpDef Haze + Toxic by zaydapoketrainer
Fast Haze + Freeze Dry by Magcargo
Unaware Calm Mind SpDef by kd458
Unaware Toxic SpDef by Overshoc
Calm Mind + Seismic Toss SpDef by chartung17

Voting ends on Wednesday October 11th at 11:59 AM EST​

 

[zaydapoketrainer]

Checks: ,
Counters:

 

[Mugenman88]

Checks:
Counters:

 

[kd458]

Checks:
Counters:

 

[chartung17]

Checks:
Counter:

 

[InvisibleWater]

Check:
Counter:

 

[Lectrys]

Checks: (Note that Choice Band Meowscarada unintuitively has to go for the 2HKO with Knock Off instead of the OHKO with Flower Trick if you want to guarantee checking Tera Grass Manaphy.)
Counters:

 

[awyp]

Check: walking wake
Counter: Clef

 

[FYBIRR]

Check:
Counter

 

[Zora489]

Check: walking wake
Counter: Clef

you can vote for two checks

 

[zaydapoketrainer]

you can vote for two checks
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Not zora tryna get him to vote goodra…

 

[SetsuSetsuna]

Ty for voting. The winners this time are

Checks
by Lectrys
by Zora489

Counters
Fast Haze + Freeze Dry by Magcargo
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Your sets are now in the Hall of Fame. For the next Victim of the Week we have... Choice Band Rillaboom!

Rillaboom @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Wood Hammer
- U-turn
- Knock Off​

Rillaboom getting back Grassy Glide in the DLC helped it restore its status as an OU Pokemon. Tera Grass makes up for the power nerf of Grassy Glide, allowing Rillaboom to threaten OHKOs on Pokemon like Ogerpon-W and Iron Valiant. Knock Off provides coverage for Gholdengo and Galarian Slowking. What answers does Monkey have?

Submissions end on Sunday October 15th at 23:59 EST
Please specify if your submission is a check or a counter​