not ranked at all? To my experience it's actually a pretty good Pokémon, it walls a ton of things (Mainly physical threats like Scyther and Tsareena.), traps and kills a handful of mons (Mainly hazard setters like Garbodor), great defense stats, (Without Eviolite it still has higher defenses than defensive pivots like Aromatisse) and a good defensive typing. supremacy, it 100% has its place in the tier.
Corsola-G has significant issues as for why it is not ranked at all, at least in two ways:After years of being registered here but not posting anything at all, I guess I will finally nominate a mon.
How is
Strength Sap works on it beautifully and because of it it's not as crippled by Knock Off and one would think it is, and with it, it has the potential to beat otherwise losing matchups like Absol (Without SD), Guzzlord, and Scrafty.
Disable Body is great, Scalds don't nearly have the same effect as it and they both have the same amount of % of activating. If you play your cards correctly you can trap and disable a choiced mon and they'll die to struggle, it's rare, but it gives Corsola more of a fighting chance against Choiced users (Mainly Band, Corsola doesn't take kindly to Specs users.)
I suggest putting it at atleast B-, unfortunately, it has some significant drawbacks to prevent it from being up there witht the best, it can't beat Passimian and Gigalith 1v1, it hates being poisoned, it's easy setup fodder for Special Mons and absolutely cannot touch Heliolisk.
Of course I've got the replays, it's not at its true potential, here but I think it showcases it's capabilities as a wall and trapper well and has been at the center of many late-game forfeits;
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8pu-1353894941
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8pu-1353925628-7w43b7u23ccm5twon951memeye2omrkpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8pu-1353927820
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8pu-1354293879
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8pu-1354327573-lnb777p4e13yfwd0tbcirud7kiwbca6pw
I believe in
That's not really how it works in practice. For one, Modest Specs Draco does about 50% at minimum and does this much over 2 turns:
With that being said, I also don't think a relatively good Corsola-G set is good enough to warrant a ranking. To be sure, it may just randomly wall teams on ladder, but there are a lot of obstacles that prevent it from being remotely consistent. Looking at common threats that are highly ranked, Corsola-G is basically helpless against quite a few of these. Heliolisk was already mentioned, but in addition to that, Charizard can simply come in on Corsola, Roost any damage off when necessary, Defog if it tries to get SR up, and basically put Corsola out of commission if it hits a Toxic - yes, cleric support exists, but few clerics can be viably run and having to find opportunity to click Heal Bell makes for a great momentum suck. Wish Togedemaru with Toxic is another example of something that just sits on it, at most being annoyed by Will-o-Wisp. Shed Skin Scrafty is another common threat that just does not really care about Corsola, as it simply uses the poor thing as setup fodder and Rests off any damage or status Corsola may throw at it. Rest Sandaconda, basically same thing. Xatu has also been on the rise and is an especially painful case as Corsola just completely fails to do anything at all in those matchups.After years of being registered here but not posting anything at all, I guess I will finally nominate a mon.
How is
Strength Sap works on it beautifully and because of it it's not as crippled by Knock Off and one would think it is, and with it, it has the potential to beat otherwise losing matchups like Absol (Without SD), Guzzlord, and Scrafty.
Disable Body is great, Scalds don't nearly have the same effect as it and they both have the same amount of % of activating. If you play your cards correctly you can trap and disable a choiced mon and they'll die to struggle, it's rare, but it gives Corsola more of a fighting chance against Choiced users (Mainly Band, Corsola doesn't take kindly to Specs users.)
I suggest putting it at atleast B-, unfortunately, it has some significant drawbacks to prevent it from being up there witht the best, it can't beat Passimian and Gigalith 1v1, it hates being poisoned, it's easy setup fodder for Special Mons and absolutely cannot touch Heliolisk.
Of course I've got the replays, it's not at its true potential, here but I think it showcases it's capabilities as a wall and trapper well and has been at the center of many late-game forfeits;
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8pu-1353894941
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8pu-1353925628-7w43b7u23ccm5twon951memeye2omrkpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8pu-1353927820
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8pu-1354293879
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8pu-1354327573-lnb777p4e13yfwd0tbcirud7kiwbca6pw
I believe in
magmorterrible a -> b+ this mon seems p bad tbh, finds next to no opportunities to switch in, the advantages of it over zard are quite minimal since focus doesnt even do that much to Gigalith while you lose all of zard's utility; recovery, fighting resist, removal, etc. it also just... doesn't really switch into anything? the mons whose attacks it resists, like togedemaru and whimsicott, just uturn on it. seems really bad to me
sandaconda a- -> a+ yo what why is sandaconda in a-??? this mon is excellent defensively, spreading para and taking advantage of the few grass-types in the tier; most teams will only have 1 mon that switches solidly into sanda, particularly if rock slide, and sanda can check multiple mons on basically any given team. eggy-a comes in on u, sure, but that alone isnt worth putting it in a-. coil sandaconda is the 2nd best long-term wincon in this tier, the best being bu scrafty. just like whimsi is unable to handle scrafty for an entire match, sending eggy-a in on hazards (particularly in spikes: the meta) repeatedly can let sandaconda win in the end. (or u can be cool and tech dragon rush on it)
druddigon (b+) is most viable, could possibly move to a-
Butterfree: I don't think I've ever seen a team where you can fit this on, and it doesn't really do its breaking/sweeping job even remotely as consistently as the other QD mons. Ribombee has a better defensive typing and is naturally faster allowing it to not have to +1 to be faster than say Heliolisk, Arch, Charizard which all get in the way of Butterfree QD'ing in the first place. Frosmoth on the other hand, while not being a top threat at least blanket checks a ton of shit because of its ability, and forces in much more because of the pure breaking power at +0. With 80% of teams running one of Scarf Toge or Pass it's just extremely hard for it to do much of anything. You might get off that sleep > QD > QD/Tinted lens Hurricane ect, but I don't see this happening enough to where it should be ranked anymore. Someone prove me wrong though
Combusken: Another mon I haven't seen on a team in a year, I just don't see why I would use it. It doesn't hit hard enough to justify trying hard to build around and get your speed boosts going. The best thing it has going for it is set variety and maybe SD T-Punch for Charizard but you're giving up so much and we don't have enough bulky waters that this set would do well even if you didn't face Charizard. You only have so many move slots, T-spikes aren't in a good spot at all so no Protect lefties sub shenanigans to go around. I have no clue what this would do at the moment, but I'd love to hear if ppl agree or disagree on this.
Ludicolo: God I have loved this mon at times but haven't been able to run it since Kingdra(?) The one thing I could maybe cling onto is that Water Grass Ice coverage is no joke, but you have to get so many turns right to get enough value of of it. God forbid you face a Gigalith which can just about 1v1 you with protect and sand chip. You never 2 hit KO it with Hydro in sand if they have Protect, so these are more turns you have to get right (Hydro/Giga on Blast predicting Rain, Rain on Protect predicting Hydro/Giga) Ludi might get a kill a game but I really don't think it has much potential anymore. It's good on paper but nobody runs it and I totally get why
Slowpoke: This was such a cool mon but it had its run. Talon was the biggest thing that enabled Slowpoke to me, especially being able to get in Virizion. But these mons aren't in the tier anymore, and maybe you could do some Teleport into Eggy (if it stays) type stuff. Idk, I don't have much faith with Grass and Dark being such common types. Maybe this isn't the last we've seen of Slowpoke though, I wouldn't be one to complain!
Orbeetle: Orbeetle just sucks. We have much better web setters, the dual boosting set is inconsistent and outclassed by Xatu (though Xatu is leaving I still have no faith we will see Orbeetle take over that role). It is never threatening for at least 3 turns of being in, has a pretty awful defensive typing, wants too many items and moves, doesn't fit on teams because of the bad typing and lack of any utility if it is trying to do its main role of setting up. I've tried extremely hard to make it work and it just doesn't :[
Persian-Alola: Why would I really use Persian-Alola? I don't really see it. You shut down some physical threats but don't really switch in on much in the meta. Every Psychic type is running some sort of coverage for Dark because of Scrafty and Guzz. The speed tier is nice though and Parting Shot is great when you aren't facing Regirock. Give me your thoughts please, I'm leaning towards wanting it off the rankings but yea
Thievul: The main reason I haven't formed a full opinion on Thievul is because things might change come Guzz leaving and a potential Eggy ban. Less Fairys and one less Dark type is extremely good for Thievul, however it is so bad in its current state I'm quite skeptical. It's too slow and it only really "traps" in very specific match ups where they for some reason don't have a Dark resist. Even with Guzz and potentially Eggy leaving, do you really even want Thievul on your team? The only way you aren't just giving Scrafty set up is banking on getting the turn right with the extremely niche Play Rough or the good move but way less reward in U-turn. Thievul has been doing terrible but I would probably like to see if the meta ahead is any good for it, since on paper maybe you might actually be able to throw it on a team
A -> B+: Agree, I'd honestly even bump it down to B. You don't really see it very often at all and for good reason, cause it's simply difficult to justify putting on teams when it brings little defensive utility while being pretty mediocre as a breaker. On paper it's hella threatening with its coverage and power, but unlike other difficult-to-fit but threatening breakers like Gallade, Absol, and Centiskorch (all B+ rn), it only remains threatening on paper in a lot of cases because people are naturally prepared for it. Between common mons like Lanturn, bulky Zard, and Gigalith, many teams will often have multiple checks that prevent it from reliably making progress, and unlike its main competition in offensive Zard, it lacks recovery and therefore doesn't have as much luxury to get a prediction wrong or miss a Fire Blast/Focus Blast. Demoting it a full rank may seem harsh but it's been a long time coming and it probably was initially overrated to begin with because we were still thinking of the threat it was back in SM, but this gen simply isn't the same meta and Magmortar has not really been able to find a place in it. A- -> A+: Agree, I guess? Eggy-A being banned should free this thing up a lot as it no longer has to run stupid moves like Dragon Rush, so in that regard a bump to A at least is warranted. Right now I think its main issue is Xatu shutting it down as a rocker, but since the bird is set to leave with the next shift I expect the SR set to rise back to the top of the meta. Coil has also seen a lot of usage lately and is just an excellent set, very customizable in terms of EVs and also moveset to a degree, for example Ktut used a 3 attacks set with Scale Shot in PUPL yesterday and it just cleaned up. I think the only question really is which defensive Ground ends up being better, as 
likely will enjoy more usage in the wake of Eggy's ban, but at the moment I feel like Sanda comes out on top due to its Coil sets and its ability to freely spam Glare (once Xatu is out of the way).
A -> A+: I think this is fair. Spikes are actually really good in this meta as Boots spam is not super common and many bulky mons will be chippable with hazards, and Garbodor just does Spikes support the best by far. Poison type is excellent defensively, especially in a meta with a lot of powerful Fighting types running around, and it just finds itself fitting pretty naturally on a lot of defensive cores imo. Not much more to say about it.
is still an S rank threat and it definitely feels that way in the builder when building more offensive teams, as Scarf Pass is just incredibly tough to deal with if you don't have a bulky resist. At the same time, the meta has adapted to it with mons like Garbodor gaining way more usage since it originally got placed in S. Losing Eggy also sucks for it as Pass loses out on a great offensive partner that took advantage of counters like Palossand and Weezing, so I suppose at this point A+ probably is a more fair ranking for it. 
and 
are both great mons and in the top of A+ because of how splashable they are but neither really strike me as S rank, since they often want to do more throughout a match than they can accomplish with their lacking natural bulk. 
is I think the closest thing to an S rank mon in A+, the BU set just offers a ton of utility - useful resistances, Knock to force progress vs a lot of teams, status absorption - and it often finds itself outlasting checks like Whimsicott in longer games. That being said, I wouldn't mind if 
was the only S rank as we currently don't have a lot of mons that really go above and beyond compared to other top threats. I do think in terms of current A+ mon 
could get bumped down as I just find that it struggles to stay healthy in longer matches unless it runs RestTalk or is paired with Aromatisse (bad), for what's often regarded as a gluemon I don't find that it's really that easy to fit on teams currently as teams rn favor longevity which Guzzlord doesn't really bring. achieve a minor degree of success in a PUPL game but I don't think it necessarily should have gotten the opportunity to do so and I think without Protect it really struggles to gain enough speed to clean lategame, while without SD of course it just lacks power and struggles to break past Zard or any decently bulky physical wall. is something I do feel can stay ranked, I've built with it a bit and while I didn't end up liking the builds enough to use them in tournament play I do think it provides some useful things. Ghost resists are rare and the ones we do have tend to be very slow, Persian can deal with niche breakers like CB Froslass and Trevenant while being fast and capable of generating momentum, Knocking items etc. Another boon is that with Foul Play it can deal somewhat well with SD Vally sets other than Fairy. It's by no means fantastic but it's good enough to stay ranked imo compared to some of the other things we have ranked. Some things that I feel could be more likely candidates for an unranking are 
. The former two are exclusively ranked because of their roles on terrain teams but aside from the doubtful efficacy of such a playstyle I also just don't feel like these sweepers in particular are prone to do any sweeping? Blim is just endlessly annoyed by stuff like Gigalith and the same goes for Swoobat, also both need Substitute to boost their speed which leaves them wanting for coverage etc. As for Eggy, its Alolan counterpart may now be gone but I feel like it just doesn't really have much of a place in the meta, or at least I'd need someone to demonstrate it being good and worth using over other Grass types.
I play against sand teams in my replays, giga can't ko ivy back losing the 1 v 1.
, 
, and even 
) is a better sweeper for the role, since it can run priority via Sucker Punch, mixed coverage with heat wave, and having powerful STABs in Knock Off and Solar Blade. Shiftry also has more power right off the bat, since its base 100 attack/90 special attack outclass ivysaur’s base 80 special attack, as well as shiftry’s base 80 speed crucially out speeding more forces than ivy’s base 60 speed. The toxic immunity and eviolite-boosted bulk is nice, but a lot of attackers can still overpower it, like :G-Articuno: (and most generally bulky flying types), fire types (, 
), tanks (
), and psychic types (:mespirit:). This is problematic, since if you can't hit hard enough right off the bat, like struggling to make progress against Pokemon like 
or 
or being revenge killed by priority users like 
, you'll have a Pokemon that'll be really hard to justify over other attackers (especially in a niche archetype). A lot of scarfers like and 
can still easily outspeed and revenge KO even in the sun, which is even more disappointing. Ivysaur also runs solar beam in order to deal more damage, since the amount recovered with giga drain won't be enough when a pokemon that's fast or tanky will just swat it away.
as a way to "patch up" that but.. and even Pyuk (not to mention on a bad set). It simply doesn't hit hard enough to justify over other sun sweepers, like Charizard or Shiftry.
should be ranked; It's too slow outside of Sun, it doesn't offer enough firepower (even with boosts), it's weak to a lot of common attacking types, and is generally outclassed by Shiftry in the roles I'd like to select. Being bulkier and having a toxic immunity/absorption to tspikes isn't enough to warrant how underwhelming it is.
C -> UR should be nuked from the VR: Yes, it gets to be funny in resisting Charizard and Magmortar's STABs, walling Drampa, Scrafty, and other pokemon, as well as being the premier trick room lead, but it heavily struggles to do much else. It's weak to every single entry hazard (ruining its sturdy), is setup fodder for many Pokemon (silvally steel tsareena regirock) due to having terrible offensive presence, and the fact that trick room is an extremely niche archetype. The idea of slowing down an opponent's team could be nice, but its really hard to get it to work when most of the attackers are weak to every single hazard (minus stuff like aggron), priority can mess a sweep up, and how switching to resists can make things very hard for team TR. Most importantly, carbink has to be sacrificed in the lead slot just to provide momentum - while it can do its job as a suicide Stealth rock/Trick room setter well, its a job many other pokemon, like uxie or mespirit, can deal while providing more utility throughout the game.
A -> B+As an actual Magmortar user, I think B+ as low as this mon should drop, and the B-rank that termi suggested is too harsh. Magmortar fits well with the breakers in B+. Its fire-type STAB is very thereatning and it has the coverage it needs to blow past checks. Yes, you don't want to get a prediction wrong with Magmortar, but if you get one right, then your opponent needs another check:
B -> A-
C -> B
Hi Zoowi, yes, what are your thoughts on these three? Why would they be C/A/A-?
B > A-
C >A-
> A- . I feel they have enough issues and flaws to keep them from being a, but enough strengths to keep them from b+. I am eager to hear argument for or against, and welcome any critiques in my vr analysis!
UR to A-
UR to B+
UR to IDK S to A+
A to A- A to B A- to B+
A- to B
B+ to B- 
A- to A+
(Steel) A to A+ B+ to A-
C to B+ I agree with both of these noms but don't have enough to say about them.
The council voted on every single mon on the VR here. Basically we put where we think each mon should be on the VR and if a majority found that something should be somewhere else, it went there. Unfortunately we only had 6 members for this time around, so there were some votes that resulted in ties, where a mon would not move even if half of us felt like it should. Arctozolt to B- Not really much of a threat and hasn't been seen on too many teams, but in theory could work Articuno-Galar to A Amazing mon that has found its way on teams, and has had an impact on the meta Quagsire to A- Not a staple by any means but is a hard stop to a good amount of mons (Passimian, Silvally, Aggron, Scrafty, ect)
Aggron A to A+ Spdef has really found its place in the meta and is now a top rocker and offensive threat too Magmortar A to B Hasn't found its way on teams and isn't reliable enough with Gigalith and Lanturn getting so much usage. Silvally-Steel A to A+ Top offensive threat and Steel is an amazing typing. Articuno-Galar dropping makes it more attractive too
Gourgeist-Small A- to B+ People seem to prefer Silvally-Ghost as their physical Ghost type, Gourg-Small isn't bad though Lycanroc A- to B Sandaconda rising up is bad for it and now Quagsire is around. Not as consistent as it once was Sandaconda A- to A Has good longevity and continues to be seen more and more Tsareena A- to A+ A top removal option and so tough to switch into because of Knock and us having no more Garbodor
Absol B+ to B Aromatisse B+ to B Too passive and more steel types on the rise to hard into it Centiskorch B+ to B Claydol B+ to B
Gallade B+ to B In theory has no switch ins but have little defensive utility and isn't fast enough to make up for it Golbat B+ to B Gourgeist-XL B+ to B Lanturn B+ to A- Articuno-Galar and Charizard both being top threats gives Lanturn a lot more of a reason to be used
Miltank B+ to B Weezing B+ to A- Physical sponge and has less competition with Garb gone. Neutralizing Gas has also popped up more to deny Regen n stuff
Ferroseed B to B+
Hitmonlee B to C Horrible and just isn't ran Jellicent B to B+ Guzzlord, Exeggutor-Alola, and Toxicroak no longer being in the tier was massive for Jellicent Runerigus B to B-
Sandslash-Alola B to B+
Tangela B to B+ Seen on Balance/BO more and has the same great utility
Uxie B to B-
Qwilfish B- to B Lost a spiker so Qwilfish has seen more usage + has Taunt + T-wave to annoy builds Shiftry B- to C
Silvally-Dragpn B- to C Articuno C to B- Stall has been seen a bit more and isn't horrible Audino C to B- Stall has been seen a bit more and isn't horrible Butterfree C to UR Talked about most of the things now unranked in my post Combusken C to UR Drampa C to A Way less competition and has useful resistances like grass and water, Cloud Nine also messes with the best Spdef blanket check Drifblim C to UR Exeggutor C to B- Orbeetle C to UR Pincurchin C to UR
Silvally-Water C to B- Slowpoke C to UR Thievul C to UR
Wishiwashi C to B Bulky slow U-turn has proven to be good enough for Wishi to find its way in high level games
Appletun UR to C Less competition and has good resistances, can be tough to kill
Sandslash UR to B- Paired with Gigalith it has proven to be tricky to deal with in end games and hits pretty hard
Pyukumuku UR to C Better than some of the C ranks as it can be a niche option on stall
To UR & 
to B+ is its bulk, Solid Rock is a decent ability to pair with Shell Smash, it allows it to live a handful of physical hits from mons like SpDef , giving it an easier time to set up. That's about most of the postives I have for the turtle man, everything else about this Pokémon is severly underwhelming, its speed tier even after +2 (Running a + speed nature only really lets you outspeed Galvantula, which is not worth foregoing extra damage) is severely lacking and mons like: 
will revenge-kill you (None of these are OHKOed by an Aqua Jet and they tend to run boots) and that's not even mentioning the very common scarf users like: 
(That also aren´t killed by an Aqua Jet). Speed control isn't the only thing Costa loses at, while Rock/Water is a very good STAB combination to have, there are a few mons that while slower than Costa, can outlive some hits and hit it back way harder. Unless you forego Hydro Pump, (To then give yourself a major handicap against ) and will beat you 1v1. Oh and don't forget about which is on the rise. Overall, Costa is a Pokémon that just can't keep up with the higher tiers, it'll either get walled or outsped and Aqua Jet is just too weak, it puts very little pressure on teams and really isn't worthy of a spot anymore, it's not Butterfree levels of bad but at most you'll just use it to check or 
. now, this mon really is just Costa but better in every single way as a sweeper, higher attack and speed is a good start, but Weak Armor is such a great ability since with Endure and with an attack boosting item (Liechi Berry or Weakness Policy both work, I like Liechi for consistency.) makes up for not having Shell Smash, Kabutops also applies much more pressure than Costa, forcing out many swithces in which Kabutops can set up with Swords Dance and get even stronger. +2 Amadant Kabutops is faster than a vast majority of the tier (including scarfers), and if it gets to +3 attack (Which isn't an uncommon ocurrence), Kabutops WILL destroy any unprepared teams and will rarely lose momentum. too) and in the cases where you'll be at 1hp, (Which can be common) you'll probably die to Iron Barbs / Helmet from and , I would experiment with a Protective Pads set though. Also watch out for status, any status will trivalize the power of Kabutops so I recommend having Heal Bell support like Audino. It's not right up there with the A ranks but I've been having alot of fun with this mon as well as moderate success and is a more devastating sweeper than say , I think a nice subrank rise is deserved, better mon than the likes of or 
imo.
