Announcement SS NU Community Surveys

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Hello everyone.

Once upon a time, OU, UU, RU, and Ubers began making community surveys to gauge their playerbase's opinions on the metagame. Once upon a RN, the NU tiering council has decided to do the exact same thing!

Here is a link to the first SS NU playerbase survey. It is open to anyone who has a forum account to respond and you have until Friday the 26th of February at 11:59pm GMT-5 to respond. If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a PM or VM. Just for clarification sake: the 1-5 scale for the Pokemon in the current metagame has 1 implying that you do not believe it is banworthy, 3 implying that it is very good and potentially banworthy, and 5 implying it is definitely banworthy. Have a great day!
 

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We have finally hit the deadline for the February SS NU Tiering Survey! We have received over 80 responses. I appreciate everyone who went out of their way to respond and I encourage you guys to keep it up in the Cresselia suspect discussion thread or anywhere else in the NU subforum if you are interested!

I'm going to discuss the responses to some questions using two different demographics. The first will be of everyone who responded and the second will be individuals who had accounts in the top 45 of the ladder OR qualified via tournaments. Unfortunately, I do not have the Google Forms graphics for the latter group as we sorted them out manually by their responses to if they qualified and then had to confirm each respondent individually, but there is still data for both groups and we can share this!

On a scale of 1-10, how much do you enjoy the current metagame?

This is 86 different responses and the average response was a 7.07/10, meaning that most players are enjoying the metagame. This means the playerbase is having fun!

Of the 23 qualified responses, the average response was a 6.52/10, meaning that most experienced players are enjoying the metagame, too. There is a slight dip here, but it is within the margin of error.

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On a scale of 1-10, how competitive and balanced do you find the current metagame?

This is 86 different responses and the average response was 6.71/10, meaning that most players find the current metagame competitive. This means players believe the metagame rewards smart play and teambuilding for the most part!

Of the 23 qualified responses, the average response was a 6.09/10, meaning that most players experienced players find the current metagame competitive, too. There is a slight dip here, but it is within the margin of error.

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On a scale of 1-5, how do you feel about Mienshao? Note: The scaled indicated that 1 meant it was not broken whereas 5 meant it was broken.

This is 86 different responses and the average response was 3.77/5. This is a significant amount of support for Mienshao being broken in the metagame.

Of the 23 qualified responses, the average response was 4.17/5. It is worth noting that this is considerably higher than the general response to Mienshao, being north of 4.

The NU Council is voted to ban Mienshao after seeing this response. For more, see here!

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On a scale of 1-5, how do you feel about Cresselia? Note: The scaled indicated that 1 meant it was not broken whereas 5 meant it was broken.


This is 86 different responses and the average response was 4.06/5. This is a significant amount of support for Cresselia being broken in the metagame.

Of the 53 qualified responses, the average response was 3.96/5. This is very close to the same response as the general public on Cresselia.

The NU Council elected to suspect test Cresselia after seeing these results and discussing internally.

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We also had discussion of various other Pokemon in the metagame. None of them received the same degree of support as Mienshao or Cresselia, but they are still things on our radar and we will continue to discuss them moving forward. I will include the graphs on them as well.



Please note that just because these Pokemon (and Snow Warning) were not grouped with Mienshao and Cresseia at the top does not mean they are being ignored in the present or future. The metagame will continue to evolve, there will be more surveys in the future in all likelihood, and we will continue to keep a close-eye on the metagame as it develops. If you have any questions on these graphs or the responses in general, feel free to shoot me a PM anytime. We also received lots of valuable written input when responded to the final open-ended questions and I personally have read through many of these (thankfully most were brief :psynervous:); thanks to everyone who provided input!

The council will be present to address any issues we believe deserve tiering action when appropriate!
 

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Hey sorry for the delay in posting these results, but we have decided what direction to move forward now that we have the results of the survey!

Here are the results of the vote as it pertains to metagame enjoyment & balance:

Now the more pressing matter covered by the survey, hail:




Overall what can be seen from these results is the fact that the large majority of players do want something done about hail, and there is a fairly even split on which aspect of hail should be looked at. Due to this, the council will be having a vote over the next day on what to do with hail and it will be a ranked vote with the options of: Ban Snow Warning / Ban Arctovish / Do Nothing.
 

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Hello everyone! The council is back with our third Community Survey. This one will be covering a number of important metagame topics and we are excited to hear from everyone, so please eave your thoughts!


We are going to be collecting responses till this Friday July 23rd @ Midnight GMT-4, so please get your responses in before then! Feel free to shoot me or shiloh a PM if you have any questions or concerns.
 

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Hello, the results of the SS NU tiering survey are ready! Thanks to all 49 people who participated and we are looking forward to hearing more from each and every one of you moving forward.

On a scale of 1-10, how enjoyable do you find the current metagame?

Over 49 responses, the average was a 7.27/10. This means the playerbase views the metagame as enjoyable to a good extent.

On a scale of 1-10, how competitive and balanced do you find the current metagame?

Over 49 responses, the average was a 7.14/10. This means the playerbase views the metagame as competitive and balanced to a good extent.

On a scale of 1-5, how do you feel about Sirfetch'd?

Over 49 responses, the average was a 3.49/5. This means that a significant portion of the playerbase believes Sirfetch'd is worthy of discussion for future tiering action, but not necessarily a strong majority. We are yet to reach a consensus on this topic in the current metagame state and will continue to discuss it both internally and with the public in order to reach the best conclusion for the metagame moving forward.

On a scale of 1-5, how do you feel about Blastoise?

Over 49 responses, the average was a 2.71/5. This means that a portion of the playerbase believes Blastoise is worthy of discussion for future tiering action, but not quite enough to warrant prompt action when compared to the other Pokemon, which received slightly more support. We are going to continue monitoring and discussing Blastoise moving forward, but we are not likely to act on it in the immediate future.

On a scale of 1-5, how do you feel about Rotom-C (Mow)?

Over 48 responses, the average was a 3.19/5. This means that a decent portion of the playerbase believes Rotom-C (Mow) is worthy of discussion for future tiering action, but this decent portion does not constitute a clear majority. We are going to keep this result in mind as we continue to discuss it and monitor Rotom-C's place in our metagame.

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Regarding the other questions, 20.4% of people want us to consider suspecting something else (i.e: not a Pokemon listed above) and 47% of people want us to consider retesting Pokemon from NUBL. Pokemon listed for the former include, but were not limited to, Salazzle, Starmie, Bronzong, Golurk, and Tyrantrum. Pokemon listed for the latter include, but were not limited to, Tornadus, Pangoro, Sigilyph, Bewear, and Indeedee-M. We will be having some serious discussions on these topics both on the forums with the community and internally as a council when we sort out our priorities and the time is right. These are certainly important topics and sometimes it requires looking outside the box to find the best solutions for our metagames, so we appreciate people who explained their thoughts here.

Thanks again to everyone who responded and have a great day.
 
Hello everyone! With the Snorlax suspect being finished, we've decided to hold our fourth Community Survey! This one covers possible suspects, both for retests back in the tier and possible suspect-worthy Pokemon in the tier right now.

We are going to be collecting responses till this Friday, October 29th @ Midnight GMT-4, so please get your responses in before then! Feel free to shoot me or Finchinator a PM if you have any questions or concerns.
 

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Hello everyone, apologies for the delays -- we are adjusting to a shift in leadership and I had a trip, but there's always room to make time for y'all :blobuwu:

With regards to how enjoyable the players find the metagame, we find ourselves at an average of 7.42 / 10! Of the 65 responses, only 2 individuals said the metagame was lower than a 5 / 10 and this is the most enjoyable the metagame has been rated all generation thus far.

With regards to how competitive and balanced the players find the metagame, we find ourselves at an average of 7.6 / 10! Of the 65 responses, 0 individuals said the metagame was lower than a 5 / 10 and this is comfortably the most competitive and balanced the metagame has been rated all generation thus far.

The next portion of the survey was geared towards potential retests in the SS NU metagame moving forward. The following Pokemon received noteworthy support:
  • :Indeedee:-M had 30 / 65 people list it as a first choice and 11 / 65 people list it as a second choice. In total, 53 / 65 people put Indeedee-M before having no suspect, meaning that a majority of people both support a retest and prioritize Indeedee-M over most alternatives.
  • :Tornadus:-I had 9 / 65 people list it as a first choice and and 19 / 65 people list it as a second choice. In total, 45 / 65 people put Tornadus-I before having no suspect, meaning that a majority of people support a retest and over 43% of people prioritize Tornadus-I over most alternatives.
  • Nothing else received close to as much support with :Pangoro: and :Porygon-Z: respectively trailing the top two by a large margin. 8 / 65 people listed no suspect as their first choice, 15 / 65 listed it as their second choice, and another 25 / 65 listed it as their third choice. This and the aforementioned responses indicate that there is not nearly enough support to look into any other retest option at the moment.
To summarize, Indeedee-M received a good majority of support to be retested and Tornadus-I received some, but much less, support to be retested while nothing else received significant support.

With regards to unbanning Snow Warning and banning :Arctovish:, 40 / 65 people support a council vote on the matter, which is a clear majority and we will be sure to bring this up in the council chat in the immediate future.

With regards to the Pokemon in the metagame, none of the four Pokemon we singled out (:Blastoise:, :Doublade:, :Sirfetch, and :Salazzle:) received an average response of 3 or higher on the 1-5 scale of potential brokenness. However, Sirfetch'd was very close at 2.91 / 5 and Blastoise came in a tight second place at 2.75 / 5 while Salazzle was a distant third at 2.14 / 5. It seems there is more support and enthusiasm surrounding potential retests, but we are by no means going to ignore current metagame trends and topics that could become problems if we feel they need to be addressed.

A number of individuals chimed in on :Snorlax: in the comments and we will be sure to keep an eye on it as it is still a newer metagame development, too, and we are not afraid to have tough discussions about it despite its recent retest if necessary. We implore everyone to be verbal about their opinions on the metagame and potentially controversial Pokemon so that we can understand public perception and work towards achieving the best NU metagame possible. As always, my PMs are always open and the NP thread is your friend, too.

Finally, thanks to everyone for responding, even user "Karl Marx" who proceeded to quote the Communist Manifesto in the optional written portion of the survey.
 
We're back with another survey! We recognize that Bronzong leaving has destabilized the tier a fair bit, and wanted to put out a survey before our future suspects to gauge community opinion on these Pokemon. Those included aren't the only Pokemon that I have heard mentioned, but are the main ones that the council heard grievances about.

The survey will be closed Sunday, January 29th @ Midnight GMT-5, so make sure to fill it out before then! Ask me or Finchinator if there are any questions or issues.
 

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Hello everyone, I hope you are all well! Here are the results of the recent tiering survey.


With regards to how enjoyable the players find the metagame, we find ourselves at an average of 7.47 / 10! Of the 58 responses, only 3 individuals said the metagame was lower than a 5 / 10 and this is the most enjoyable the metagame has been rated all generation thus far.


With regards to how competitive and balanced the players find the metagame, we find ourselves at an average of 6.76 / 10! Of the 58 responses, 7 individuals said the metagame was lower than a 5 / 10. This is a step back from last time and we should look to find why this is the case, but it is still a strong position overall.

The next portion of the survey was geared towards potential suspects in the SS NU metagame moving forward. The following Pokemon were included:
  • :Goodra:
  • :Silvally:-Ground
  • :Blastoise:
  • :Copperajah:
Of these four, Goodra and Silvally-Ground received by far the most support, both eclipsing a 3/5 average on the scale of 1 to 5 (with 1 indicating not being suspect worthy and 5 indicating very suspect worthy). Let's dig into their results!


Goodra received an average response of 3.64/5 across 58 responses, indicating that a majority of players deem a suspect appropriate. This is the largest amount of support any Pokemon listed received and the NU tiering council will discuss future action as a result of this consensus.


Silvally-Ground received an average response of 3.26/5 across 58 responses, indicating that a majority of players deem a suspect appropriate. While the levels of strong support are slightly less than Goodra and the levels of people opposing a suspect are notably higher than Goodra, we will be sure to discuss Silvally-Ground as well.

Blastoise lagged behind with an average response of 2.57/5 while Copperajah hardly had any support at 1.57/5. We are likely to focus on the Pokemon that got the most support, but can keep these in mind moving forward.
 
Yep, its another survey! We recognize that there's a lot of debate on whether the meta is healthy or not, and have planned to release this survey about now to keep tabs on community opinion. Some of these Pokemon listed have some council attention, and some others are mostly precautionary, but we'd like to see where the votes lie for them. Also, we'd like to hear if there's significant desire for retests on certain Pokemon, as that would be the likely route if nothing gets suspected.

The survey will be closed Friday, April 15th @ Midnight GMT-4, so make sure to fill it out before then! Ask me or Finchinator if there are any questions or issues.
 
Hello everyone, glad to report back to you with the survey results! I'd like to thank everyone for responding, as 80 responses is more than we've had on these surveys in a long time.

Forms response chart. Question title: On a scale of 1-10, how enjoyable do you find the current metagame?. Number of responses: 80 responses.


With regards to how enjoyable the players find the metagame, we find ourselves at an average of 6.93 / 10! This is lower than last time, which is something we want to keep an eye on for the future. Most of the survey results didn't post significantly high numbers for specific Pokemon to test, but its clear some action is desired. Of the 80 responses, 11 rated enjoyability a 5 or lower, which influenced these results a great deal.

Forms response chart. Question title: On a scale of 1-10, how competitive and balanced do you find the current metagame?. Number of responses: 80 responses.


With regards to how competitive and balanced the players find the metagame, we find ourselves at an average of 6.81 / 10! This is higher than last time, which is a good step, but we recognize there's still some work to do. Of the 80 responses, 14 rated the balance of the meta a 5 or lower, which is an obvious concern compared to last time as the meta seems to be relatively polarizing among respondents.

The next portion of the survey, similar to last shift's survey, was geared towards potential suspects in the SS NU metagame moving forward. The following Pokemon were included:
  • :blastoise:
  • :silvally-ground:
  • :snorlax:
  • :indeedee-f:
  • :stakataka:
  • :grimmsnarl:
Of these six, Blastoise and Silvally-Ground received the highest scores, both receiving an average over 3. This average number is our baseline for looking into suspect tests, so there will be discussion around these 2 Pokemon in the future. The exact results will be shown below!

Forms response chart. Question title: On a scale of 1-5, how do you feel about Silvally-Ground?. Number of responses: 80 responses.


Silvally-Ground received an average of 3.38/5 across 80 respondents, indicating that most people believe some form of action should be taken towards our drive-holding friend. This number was not as high as we anticipated, but the support for a suspect is obviously there and will be examined for the future.

Forms response chart. Question title: On a scale of 1-5, how do you feel about Blastoise?. Number of responses: 80 responses.


Blastoise received an average of 3.20/5 across 80 respondents, indicating that there is more support for a suspect than there is against one. However, the results for Blastoise are much more polarized, with more people at either end of the spectrum when it comes to their desired action. This tracks with our knowledge of the general community, as Blastoise as a Pokemon has been largely polarizing throughout the generation. However, we'll still be examining whether a suspect is deemed worthy and will be updating everyone with that information shortly.

Every other Pokemon got a marginal amount of concern and will be kept on the radar, but not enough for immediate action. Their scores will be shown below.
  • Stakataka with an average of 2.63/5
  • Grimmsnarl with an average of 2.43/5
  • Indeedee-F with an average of 2.36/5
  • Snorlax with an average of 2.33/5
Thank you again for responding, and until next time!
 
Another one! This survey is going to focus on what everyone wants suspected, so please try to answer with care and really think about your votes. There's a lot of precautionary Pokemon on the list, but due to a community need for radical change within the tier, we would like to get opinions on as many Pokemon as possible. We plan to have a suspect after this vote informed by this survey.

The survey will be closed Tuesday, July 5th @ Midnight GMT-4, so make sure to fill it out before then! Ask me or Finchinator if there are any questions or issues.
 
Hello everyone, I'm back to report on the recent survey's results! The survey got 67 responses even without advertisement through other avenues such as Smogon's discord, so it was a pretty sizeable turnout. Now, lets move on to results.

Forms response chart. Question title: On a scale of 1-10, how enjoyable do you find the current metagame?. Number of responses: 67 responses.

When answering how enjoyable people found the metagame, we ended on an average of 6.49 / 10. In addition to this, we have a staggering 18 / 67 respondents answering a 5 or lower on the question, indicating a wide distaste to the current state of the meta compared to previous surveys. This is something we have kept in mind with our plans of action.

Forms response chart. Question title: On a scale of 1-10, how competitive and balanced do you find the current metagame?. Number of responses: 67 responses.

When answering how competitive or balanced people found the metagame, we ended on an average of 6.13 / 10. On top of this, 21 / 67 respondents answered a 5 or lower on the question. This aligns with people have answered on enjoyability, and aligns with how the survey is constructed.

The next portion of the survey was geared towards potential suspects in the SS NU metagame moving forward. The following Pokemon were included:
  • :rotom-mow:
  • :silvally-ground:
  • :blastoise:
  • :machamp:
  • :indeedee-f:
  • :exeggutor-alola:
  • :salazzle:
  • :snorlax:
Forms response chart. Question title: Rotom-Mow. Number of responses: 67 responses.

Rotom-Mow got 50.7% votes for First Suspect from the community, and only about 21% of people said that they wouldn't be open to a suspect on the lawn mower. This gives us a direct line of action, and a suspect will be coming shortly.

Forms response chart. Question title: Blastoise. Number of responses: 67 responses.

Forms response chart. Question title: Silvally-Ground. Number of responses: 67 responses.

Blastoise and Silvally-Ground are 2nd and 3rd, both with about 1/3rd support for first or second suspect, and a large majority wanting to have a suspect on them eventually. Blastoise has clearly more support, but they are both options for a follow-up suspect.

Forms response chart. Question title: Machamp. Number of responses: 67 responses.

Forms response chart. Question title: Indeedee-F. Number of responses: 67 responses.

Both Machamp and Indeedee-F have majority support for a suspect, but not to the levels of the other Pokemon. We'll keep an eye on them and see if further action is needed after a suspect or two.

Exeggutor-Alola, Salazzle, and Snorlax all didn't have majority support for a suspect, so we'll keep an eye on them but they likely will not be in consideration for a suspect unless there's a big swing in the metagame.

Thank you all for responding to the survey!
 

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We have a unique survey focused on a singular Pokemon: Sirfetch'd!

It has been the subject of a lot of discussion on the forums and discord recently, especially after Machamp got banned by such a large margin. The council is willing to act swiftly on it if there is support, but feels a need to gauge community input as to if this action is appropriate or not.

Please fill out: this Sirfetch'd survey, thanks.
 

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The survey went as follows:
  • 58 total responses
  • >55% in favor of a quickban
  • Only 12% opposed to tiering action
  • Almost 1/3 in favor of a suspect test
Given the abundance of support for some tiering action and the majority supporting a quickban, we put the matter to a council vote.

The vote went as follows:
Ban Sirfetch'd (8): Meri Berry, Finchinator, etern, Rabia, OnArceus, S1nn0hC0nfirm3d, Luck O' the Irish, Ren-chon
Do not ban Sirfetch'd (0)

Sirfetch'd will be banned from the SS NU tier effective immediately!
 

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Hello everyone, we're back to report on the recent survey's results! The survey got 54 responses, so a decent amount of you expressed your opinions on the metagame. Thank you to everyone for taking time to respond.



When answering how enjoyable people found the metagame, we ended on an average of 7.39 / 10. To dig into the data, 20/54 responses indicate they rank the enjoyability 8/10 or higher, which is 37%. On the contrary, only 8/54 individuals believe the metagame is lower than 7/10, which is only 14%. Nearly half of the responses, which constitutes the entire remainder, ranked the metagame a 7/10 on the enjoyability scale. This is a clear improvement from the last survey.



When answering how competitive or balanced people found the metagame, we ended on an average of 6.89 / 10. To dig into the data, 17/54 responses indicate they rank the competitiveness 8/10 or higher, which is 31%. On the contrary, only 6/54 individuals believe the metagame is lower than 6/10, which is only 11%. The majority of the responses fell between 6 and 7 on the competitiveness scale. This is a clear improvement from the last survey.

The next portion of the survey was geared towards potential suspects in the SS NU metagame moving forward. A 5 indicates action is needed while a 1 indicates action is not needed when it comes to these questions. The following Pokemon were included:
  • :indeedee-f:
  • :silvally-ground:
  • :sceptile:
  • :vileplume:
  • :scrafty:
  • :salazzle:

Of these six, Indeedee-F, Silvally-Ground, and Vileplume received the highest scores; Indeedee-F was the only Pokemon to achieve an average score greater than 3. The exact results will be shown below!



Indeedee-F received an average of 3.83 / 5 across 54 respondents, indicating that most people believe some form of action should be taken towards Indeedee-F in this metagame. 37 out of 54 responses gave Indeedee-F a 4 or 5, which is 69%. This was comfortably the highest average score of any Pokemon listed above. Expect further announcement on this matter in the immediate future.



Silvally-Ground received an average of 2.98 / 5 across 54 respondents, indicating that some people believe some form of action should be taken towards Silvally-Ground in this metagame. 20 out of 54 responses gave Silvally-Ground a 4 or 5, which is 37%. This is a significant amount of support, but it is nearly a third less than Indeedee-F and not enough to mandate immediate action necessarily.



Vileplume received an average of 2.85 / 5 across 54 respondents, indicating that some people believe some form of action should be taken towards Vileplume in this metagame. 17 out of 54 responses gave Vileplume a 4 or 5, which is 31%. This is a noteworthy amount of support, but it is over a third less than Indeedee-F and slightly less than Silvally-Ground. This is not enough to warrant prompt tiering action.

Every other Pokemon got a marginal amount of concern and will be kept on the radar, but not enough to be in the above conversation and certainly not enough for immediate tiering action. Their scores will be shown below.
  • Sceptile with an average of 2.31/5
  • Scrafty with an average of 2.07/5
  • Salazzle with an average of 2.06/5
Thank you again for responding. Have a nice day!
 
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