Scarlet and Violet UU Viability Rankings

Status
Not open for further replies.

Monky25

is a Site Content Manageris a Forum Moderatoris a Top Community Contributoris a Metagame Resource Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Top Contributoris a Smogon Media Contributor
is a Site Content Manageris a Forum Moderatoris a Top Community Contributoris a Metagame Resource Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Top Contributoris a Smogon Media Contributor
Moderator
1676678156015.png

I promise we’ll get new art soon!
Hosted by Monky25 and Lily

Hello and welcome to the very first Scarlet and Violet UU Viability Rankings!

Here, we come together as a community with a goal to rank every viable Pokemon within the SV UU metagame into ranks indicating their dominance and effect in the tier. This can serve as a great resource for teambuilding by essentially being a threat list, helping newer players understand which is the best Pokemon to use and what to account for while building. Any user is encouraged to post in this thread and share their thoughts on rankings that should be changed, which our lovely viability ranking team will read and discuss as we schedule VR updates. There is no set schedule for VR updates, but rather when we determine that the current rankings may be an inaccurate representation of the current metagame. There also is the possibility of mini updates which can be quick metagame changes that should directly happen without needing to conduct a full slate. The current viability council is below:


The ranking descriptions for what each rank means and what the characteristics are of Pokemon in these ranks are in the below spoiler:
S and S-: The best of the best Pokemon, being extremely splashable and versatile, having high consistency, and shaping the tier’s development. Their dominance has a notable effect on teambuilding and the dynamics of the tier. S- Pokemon are Pokemon that are a step above the rest of the A+ Pokemon but may not be as centralizing or potent as another S tier.
A+ and A: great and metagame defining Pokemon that have exceptional prowess and must be accounted for while building, not as defining as S rank Pokemon but still strong Pokemon that most teams should make use of. A rank Pokemon have similar traits to A+ Pokemon but may be held back due to performance or usage.
A- and B+: These are Pokemon that still have an impactful role in the metagame and should still be accounted for, but lack the consistency and/or potency to be ranked any higher.
B: Generally the lowest ranking of Pokemon considered impactful to the tier, these Pokemon operate decently within the metagame but have enough notable flaws to keep them from being tier staples.
B- and C+: Pokemon in these ranks are without a doubt viable, but have noticeable flaws and restrictions that limit splashability and usage in the tier while not being too consistent either. Pokemon that are staples found in niche but viable playstyles reside here.
C: These Pokemon have roles in the metagame that are generally outclassed for the most part, but still have enough relevance and usefulness in the metagame to warrant a ranking.
D: Lastly, Pokemon in D rank are UU by usage but completely unviable. Discussion on D rank Pokemon is prohibited.

When nominating changes to happen in this VR PLEASE avoid personal biases and instead use information such as trends working for or against this Pokemon as well as usage to support your claim. Note usage does not always equal viability. There is a correlation, but just because Forretress got more usage last month than Quagsire on the ladder does not mean it is a better Pokemon; tournament usage stats are generally better support for nominations. For nominating unranked Pokemon to be ranked, consider a few things: Does this have enough of a distinguishable niche in the metagame? (meaning does what it does act differently enough from another ranked Pokemon). Also, should the first criteria be met, is this niche relevant enough in the current metagame? A good nomination of an unranked Pokemon would be here or here. Replays are also great tools to help support a nomination and are required to nominate an unranked Pokemon. And with that, here are our viability rankings! Happy posting!

Sandy Shocks Rank
989.png
Sandy Shocks

A+ Rank
967.png
Cyclizar
373.png
Salamence
212.png
Scizor
663.png
Talonflame
959.png
Tinkaton
248.png
Tyranitar
1001.png
Wo-Chien

A Rank
423.png
Gastrodon
658.png
Greninja
450.png
Hippowdon
Hisuian Form
Hisuian Zoroark
993.png
Iron Jugulis
923.png
Pawmot
195.png
Quagsire
914.png
Quaquaval
985.png
Scream Tail
080.png
Slowbro

A- Rank
594.png
Alomomola
936.png
Armarouge
724.png
Decidueye
094.png
Gengar
130.png
Gyarados
462.png
Magnezone
778.png
Mimikyu
715.png
Noivern

B+ Rank
232.png
Donphan
671.png
Florges
282.png
Gardevoir
701.png
Hawlucha
941.png
Kilowattrel
448.png
Lucario
925.png
Maushold
741-p.png
Oricorio Pom-Pom
128-a.png
Paldean Aqua Tauros
855.png
Polteageist
988.png
Slither Wing
849.png
Toxtricity

B Rank
242.png
Blissey
652.png
Chesnaught
945.png
Grafaiai
297.png
Hariyama
612.png
Haxorus
876.png
Indeedee
745-d.png
Lycanroc Dusk
128-b.png
Paldean Blaze Tauros
Heat Rotom
Rotom Heat
700.png
Sylveon

B- Rank
334.png
Altaria
947.png
Brambleghast
196.png
Espeon
475.png
Gallade
920.png
Lokix
479-m.png
Rotom Mow
978.png
Tatsugiri
461.png
Weavile

C+ Rank
625.png
Bisharp
986.png
Brute Bonnet
091.png
Cloyster
691.png
Dragalge
215-h.png
Hisuian Sneasel
995.png
Iron Thorns
741-s.png
Oricorio Sensu
398.png
Staraptor

C Rank
839.png
Coalossal
132.png
Ditto
834.png
Drednaw
973.png
Flamigo
089.png
Muk
933.png
Naclstack
968.png
Orthworm
758.png
Salazzle
503.png
Samurott
763.png
Tsareena
 
Last edited by a moderator:
There will be a 24 hour period to ask questions about the current VR, where the VR team will be happy to respond to any concerns. Please avoid repeating questions, it just clogs the thread up when it has already been answered or asked, so expect repeat posts to be deleted. Hold off on nominations until this period is over. I’ll answer three likely questions ahead of time in this post:

  1. What Pokémon were voted on?
  • We voted on all Pokémon in the viability list (minus pelipper and Orthworm since they rose to OU). We then included the new drops in Pawmot, Iron Hands, and Torkoal as well as Scovillain who has experienced new viability with sun being in the tier. If there’s a Pokémon you wanted to see ranked that wasn’t voted on, be sure to nominate it following the proper guidelines!
  1. Why put up a VR when Iron Hands could very well be banned soon?
  • The Viability Rankings is one of the, perhaps the most important resource in the generation. It’s almost March and we have yet to put one up. We felt that we should put one up as soon as possible when the meta has somewhat settled and then look forward to the changes anyway with UUPL starting and a potential ban changing the metagame. Besides, you now have a new topic to post about here in changes post Iron hands should it be banned!
  1. Why is there no C- rank? Other tiers before have them!
  • Based on a model from the last gen, there really isn’t a need for a C- rank. In gen 8, it ended up being clogged with bad Pokemon that didn’t get any usage basically and there wasn’t too much of a difference from the C rank, so they were merged which ended up being really beneficial to clearing up the VR. Thus, C- is not a rank that will appear on this VR.
 
Hi guys, this VR looks quite accurate overall, although I'm curious about why is Oricorio-Pom-Pom in A.
 
Let Iron Hands celebrate for a few days before it gets banned.

Is there a specific reason why Brute Bonnet is so low or is just outclassed by wo-chien and bisharp?
 
1. Idk if you all are experiencing this but why are the images broken [as in some work fine, others for mons like Gengar and Tinkaton fail to show up]
2. Serious question, I'm a bit curious as to why Brambleghast and Tatsugiri are so high.
 
View attachment 492883
I promise we’ll get new art soon!
Hosted by Monky25 and Lily

Hello and welcome to the very first Scarlet and Violet UU Viability Rankings!

Here, we come together as a community with a goal to rank every viable Pokemon within the SV UU metagame into ranks indicating their dominance and effect in the tier. This can serve as a great resource for teambuilding by essentially being a threat list, helping newer players understand which is the best Pokemon to use and what to account for while building. Any user is encouraged to post in this thread and share their thoughts on rankings that should be changed, which our lovely viability ranking team will read and discuss as we schedule VR updates. There is no set schedule for VR updates, but rather when we determine that the current rankings may be an inaccurate representation of the current metagame. There also is the possibility of mini updates which can be quick metagame changes that should directly happen without needing to conduct a full slate. The current viability council is below:


The ranking descriptions for what each rank means and what the characteristics are of Pokemon in these ranks are in the below spoiler:
S and S-: The best of the best Pokemon, being extremely splashable and versatile, having high consistency, and shaping the tier’s development. Their dominance has a notable effect on teambuilding and the dynamics of the tier. S- Pokemon are Pokemon that are a step above the rest of the A+ Pokemon but may not be as centralizing or potent as another S tier.
A+ and A: great and metagame defining Pokemon that have exceptional prowess and must be accounted for while building, not as defining as S rank Pokemon but still strong Pokemon that most teams should make use of. A rank Pokemon have similar traits to A+ Pokemon but may be held back due to performance or usage.
A- and B+: These are Pokemon that still have an impactful role in the metagame and should still be accounted for, but lack the consistency and/or potency to be ranked any higher.
B: Generally the lowest ranking of Pokemon considered impactful to the tier, these Pokemon operate decently within the metagame but have enough notable flaws to keep them from being tier staples.
B- and C+: Pokemon in these ranks are without a doubt viable, but have noticeable flaws and restrictions that limit splashability and usage in the tier while not being too consistent either. Pokemon that are staples found in niche but viable playstyles reside here.
C: These Pokemon have roles in the metagame that are generally outclassed for the most part, but still have enough relevance and usefulness in the metagame to warrant a ranking.
D: Lastly, Pokemon in D rank are UU by usage but completely unviable. Discussion on D rank Pokemon is prohibited.

When nominating changes to happen in this VR PLEASE avoid personal biases and instead use information such as trends working for or against this Pokemon as well as usage to support your claim. Note usage does not always equal viability. There is a correlation, but just because Forretress got more usage last month than Quagsire on the ladder does not mean it is a better Pokemon; tournament usage stats are generally better support for nominations. For nominating unranked Pokemon to be ranked, consider a few things: Does this have enough of a distinguishable niche in the metagame? (meaning does what it does act differently enough from another ranked Pokemon). Also, should the first criteria be met, is this niche relevant enough in the current metagame? A good nomination of an unranked Pokemon would be here or here. Replays are also great tools to help support a nomination and are required to nominate an unranked Pokemon. And with that, here are our viability rankings! Happy posting!

S Rank
992.png
Iron Hands

A+ Rank
KQPoVhMDz2W7xTx-fOBaK1Njdqx_l8aS94nIE1FMRx7QHcuJ5ip4wVwBECUQyEn4NjJQxQ1pxYeSr4LC5HXsJrNt00kSs6KA5JhIykt8BTccgz8z4DsWxwVViq_7RY6JxjOYG2RLPc7emopJy_PMH03_IRmbIoGUczVIOq-O2BYAdrqq8eHmFZRIs7KhAA
Gengar
923.png
Pawmot
9k5vvCjvK9ggwHjP2QJNEUdk-mVBRuNjjzZaXDpxhPef0CXfDv_KkIBFk38I92dHh6TBOd02nt8Ptz4Q5zNmoygd8IuZK_gjEBeLBtu-I8wcPZl55RIK8tqON9HqdIqD85nY1QhXDVcsnLl3027LIN1HpuHp4xc2D2100uIltawj0yX_1gRzUqLWHxCQfw
Quagsire
yLlQlM4SEPllC7RjG7-R4ubYrTmv2bb1HPnmlLSfex4zQnBv2r-fbGQX20c0ZrS80W-6QiBCCOSazXD4GQgmH0bvcE3hCPw7bL-SDSzyAY0RIG_KfzEsSncsUNNiU8SSGIgA7QBWSp4yXxNUMJ026Svrvq-ILJJ-SVFdCvTFHQ3ICfqPiddjxgrQZx5p6g
Salamence
U6MLAvOMdZFu-9wyVyEYtVOb1cNHgSdMg_razVP4Jq6g8djRf7z740UDowiDxiznZxnyoUNmZLr0YNfi-UHJT9N7Q0QMUKcSc3ZSSXC2AqlK0ksx5-sxQ1CLgS9OhrE9gVyWW8mxm6n6zaZqq6e0KKt68I2PofyQIKpbQn8KGGveDT3TZk0GW9TOwYA2ew
Sandy Shocks
b09HLJTv7BEJIwDdMWWoZuRpji4u6LQfvdRpFLqAgS6RYnn_gl_6I0rw01MhpiibClVgyrSo995BuM9mhmQd1HjlGU9UTEgB1Qu3sMUEZQkBVEd-LkMN1vZmYDuyGqY9sasBfZy2m9BdTuUBfEhOAhTl_96_gBA4Mj7urHMFCqeqLOvsRyOM1-F72tNjug
Talonflame
BIJeOcGoe7yg4WmJJbHHOOtMzNZJrTSa-fLligSDzUSo-z1OgT_cdRq9-rm0d3D6JVZGGZ5DqS2syUHR-tsLWawrftXpwffIHTdOM-gw9mD7oG0Fytg_jFbSzRRaoiLuUTQ-fsU2OyrACHtjuq7Nb-prR8ZWEcGfxGHymz32H_GJ759JlJlQPP7oA86hYQ
Tinkaton
Sf0TVCdrEi5U99dODXuKlGodxfHlkdqqfj0587SaQ7ShRs4EAvGmTTeLFN52pZ8XbneTL9oiK2XzIS0bYcMmEAYgy-MJgRH9jbCnCYf8cX_9p0FP6x1Mrli4pNj9Z1jYJS8upLJt19hNYfFohoI34wPWb6zOHnSh6IR5E6qAEG6mo7Ujnkf1sn7K2vvJ2g
Tyranitar

A Rank
4BpKz4wGcQoYgAM0Ij4_V22yyPRN6s5N1v9VEFOrZ-58bKAVpHr7k0evP07Vs9ExRxPdplUA4e8psuPxdPOiEf_oWUrruOc7M2VZ2sW5ZgCW7YUCFfhCqpH5IZWhat_OxSxhLnmtVFWyg12q2-ET7_0hjwYRf1aTprJct8csw2IvzHs61B4bLibR3sRlPg
Oricorio-Pom-Pom
dP3SkUaagK-v0L5puE5HNrKMoklPRP2s4EdY3wgyZaIjp63uvACRAEsiCcYGzqJRtjSPx3ZZAmJH0AaAgarV5h4mRsPdNfQqSdD715lhdgHpnRz63ifLQbcUkL5qHZeXIB3Uzru66-VZU40IlJnaiQzMyY-d_AnemMQMDcBVMrrORNTOJnXc-stxIpPRSA
Slither Wing
iyk4uoj076WJqMuUB3JA36RLwy2QBcbarSl7uHfvBf1tDFEljfkGC_JFI9i4fL4y8s-dPFgZ3krEfpCZzCXit-_H9JzBJ7iK4iHA1-tqHpgkzOGs3wZSUiRS67x2GnC11SrLJ1tR68exW95HbyOo5CL2ygISh1Zo7Zn8zsnQOEaw2PPPRXx7VvTaSG0NvQ
Slowking
OpARrNzznZxoahBzSc9DREPiC8TgTpZpCwDOzgoi9LmdqybXWFCpFWv9jlPg2JOu9MAk9ckTXoB7pyS5nowPkGmWjUljlvJO-GuCMWNr6DVUZPPP2T943MZwpz9BbWBYcXSiWjKFjX-rPFAbiqDqFcdw7z4lRHa-kQSwmpDCVHzrh7kQPUz27Jx-hT_L3A
Wo-Chien

A- Rank
Urip8d9vUKmnyoZMMCLEiQPtS_7iczx1uGoKZrtwgrIYB-r1DXsFrpasw4rMv26Rvql3-ouGYmO0LEUfw1UvW3_RB5b3T5Nyc-vgA2Lw6tHXn5cbuYeNeWB5FHCkNsN80iZbXQT1OWx7IigRdCR5tq1kozL5sBrmkGsMWAACYoKnTHJL40p7JZCbBpKVaQ
Gastrodon
eQikP5FIWRlHyYeosQKxSUv64BX1im5rS9ZZtQdp4As126pjuNgqrTqATSsqz0g1kfTyc2bmuuFIEOPMt4d_1Nvn9aQnF7ZaufsX_Zis8RpwIWSI-rHb8L85jjRg0JwUjnPbGtBzGfy-tAC-24mQ6XudkcN9vFwRCZJSXOirEBSrWl87wi-mpfSrkZkNTw
Grafaiai
QvwKj1pU_UYVfo_l5tCcRV9U5Se6CBWYPN-oZ6rzVuGV6KvZBQ_N8A9tnxdsThgd8_WEZFcjEfJXQGfJRbc_BuZXlVZsxaYU7ls31DxiLvgY5sX9i5uz7gS_59RvaUJMS33ClgbmFAgTx0uPw0Ah-ZPe7gx1R1OdjrcFvkRaYaDG6EkbhsnnprtQN6iJmQ
Hippowdon
3oP2L6EIeUERp8b8jQgPX-be1INqtOJp5iPO6AXOeDuoTHA6Df94iUFuhQhEafnGaYqizjxtEi0Dz4_mzUMgrYdkDKlAp5VdY63WQOsa0OzN-px1YkRXL0UWO32lc2n0jgFS4VOoG5TajYPTcX_bfxufV5z1kGQrnExLafQygFlx0eVnL2CihuAO4zgBxw
Iron Jugulis
SuWE2n9qcn1mYHxIp-zZWv4610KSeek4LX3d6Rv9P5XyNl-3rW741mqSI5n4Ozjcw4kXpT1FfDzHShrPBbqNv8XluUtZ1eBCIVBx3VVcoWMfW1diaphHT68wgCXTx-ZbQo23x2daJUZA-NsgiXW-XK7G7l7gT7NbaCQ4zPt693_BWiMYmvSJqUuLZHKARQ
Lucario
mYglHmM9lD0jMYj5NEL9X73ZulMf4_ok1UcJJ4c7-j_Hs4pSaaOf4JdrG-Cc0u9wY_lEp0mOjaLYxUWRKXdtj0IBj6fYFSrMwpn-ZJf_s4AXydbcCbPPGdOlrdjC0IYcr7CT7I_L0rFP4GLTQtEWkWlZK4qkom3-W_CLpVTE2rbq_PA5OI23d3qA6UFpiw
Mimikyu
Lvs63ZggbMCuiqxtaYO5_EC6Il9uIxZUTC9wArOlyLcLDdbmQb9Vwm3hPA5lwhzn2vA5tr3TbXtPjMOksWl8JsF3OwvVPROmZFhRRHogRXar1MZ2PoMMhO2AIyRi4S0bfRexTtCUXM0ujvBl9kDbtYhXk9BaEmx2zM0DaOdOh5xpUTXQuU-GK7-AALUsZw
Noivern
2_fdC3zkYLIt-DEAh8ZNEFpW9cFnJo2tmaNEER5YI_fLumEbk7MADb_28pTlFmFqltfvjekl2eL8S9gNCw_rkaMaEVweWdJtM-V0Vdu4hAGj1cOQ8JrLCD1YpMpILoyjsYhC5ERfv5993tpbQqehOdqsYXjp9zJoe9V9R9hK-KktQfKs-T-W52XNV3Wc6g
Scream Tail
jvuw4spYsb0wmfdMoGTkOaVM-KhXKLWNHkbmAonE4quBIiWZd8za22WpaM_NsibAJu4Fv9NH8f1ev9WIB4lp0uKEddzc6qdmgN5t4HDlgyP0yKMhKKqVrXLjRa0eAj_ciPto5r-p6AelHZ1k_vqQ61Zxwi-vdKKQlBgNTyTeGojX6hkzv7lNvrGVupeYtg
Staraptor

B+ Rank
4lVOACp6X8IjdqM9EFxqC4ehvkGgyTaokP70Llo0whskATWuPEqfuWJLJhXM7OvVQcIv6tdyfpWu6xd8e-XAi0iBvxnv72U6mjIAMiso7fhsXmiVYY-B950T-PmBPpu0C6sA0r-30mZuSUp2DgXtQFS1OGeOtODC3Z-pfvax7F1lwydMBfKdqymBdqusAg
Armarouge
jaFrsHyytqLffVuo5U7mXS-PFgQ6R7Qm34ajprvtmamzFiQRZEE2vA63uqOQbK9gY5wA8eCqjB_BR1IYAAkQ057mSSngpg7tXazJaFfgmRKXmG_b66BArXK5If_WDvgPLhXNqovc7FF6TGRJ9nsdJx9YZC6aKpLMxiFsmXkUepbB_GDYwZ2RrvuTEl_cVQ
Bisharp
ybtTneZtct8AmYFR4kseuH8EgBkTPFvWWNURpaQkzim1_pgB7u8eS9GwUD24VQ5O8dvndXAgg6c12lXKTPZk9FtkR-BPS76tcR6ZDy7KBYG8xy0GGdZuNXTbb1LVpGHb5gQXfRlp0L3E6EYP6qhRrD6l4IimBSYxmOFUkmo0c8dTXiv3EUK_h-to9SxgdA
Brambleghast
IqgBaLMcwCX_xCpmxT-AVgtlgM8264uvl-RJ-1X20sX1fFIwuDuuiJvUfJZVrN2JkV9jfsJ7uOiDQ21Vyes9zLtrPx4TPXQjDeKO6HHu3qsFSiCu9B_SQuwvZNg2Ql3cwn9i9rSdJDjPzWMOHcsmmvxlvH1Y_m1u0V1ZwQICJgrD2nrLFeasrd9ywAzvow
Donphan
dKIIKTi2fTY6OmLHQlk0WuEFYPARyddW6WPLcHYMNWAqliMJWZKF1XpIiVpRGcAI28Xg1bT9iNf9eRvDJ1YSnCJJlFDt7g6ZLDLTTIlow9PeEl-O7xcaXT3qWHr2FN4wnaYkivf7HBsyUd_BQu-zH7hPREwmHWwQt7-Vzru0jCa0E7swvdWAVtIkLSIAhw
Gallade
cpW0Y8KAJ2mWjP2eRi1z3hPguISdBcfbTWYEXAXAGeKqQNvAukSQyitRyoydt7jxN3HIsXRIedH26PjrBXDtw6KSUXrnDq_zoM1QcPBi10N_b8_abODCHg4bbBgMXWjhI1yZcCS12hXI4Fr35A_sXCcO_58eQuCkGrHXf-mz-Bc8NBSxEQjmA-puCmOd_g
Gyarados
sMejzSnpAWmOTWlTK-Jvqe3aNIck9n03rfRwNJFxfdX-MYWmKsAhiOnHuzxXaLs9w3l5T8Gp7C4c-mCGbo7HmNRfCfXUNSvEqIkTqPghCivwP4u2qmmsfIeleqDyTV45O1I3qcder3moErGymiJR3DeZKtO6cAxBoSV3ZTGkMi-BHMSHlfbqUbd2StaxZw
Haxorus
CfsP4gXr2BSxtNAUNfI9yrwtLu_vmVPya0KssOzdAiICb8hStOxP8mps62h64rsD056Twh38XSDBTVPvqI0G_4AZZlsnJPAZJ1_Q0i9lD0_pgBBRXvrHGEqg44c7_x55L8wLpjiRr7UK7zDr3gYsaa14e0JN4vTcJwJqBrJ7eagiQAOP8ud9Mh8IERFL2Q
Kilowattrel
JXtV4x5UCQkzUd5HfeOCqtaDDHdwb8xwOBCHB22RYcfyfB4NgxI1MQVmWLxC1aT46tWLyFp9RivLOOYc_n3wjHfgd707Yevs0gBZeCvNBqHfI0pyWSvDjAOIvQbsH6BdVCgMv_R0ETlIafpNQNaczKvJW5R00tQHJ3ZfCmxP4mx2U1cbezILyf5qUpLIjw
Lycanroc-D
040eLghQIBOZjGZ1bZxqA_DJsxTqiPoyTD8Wze36Dz_jsCVcUR6w8lSywxLiPm_YmvmUi1NJd6rEyX57ep99wXh1KesKVR5sT0y3naVWfIOeK2qRzPlhQAhtwP3GP8tqwckv3GP9zTuUGULTkhq-fJClvYFl7u6eJ2iB6BZeLClK2YQaM1HrT0l56R50Ow
Magnezone
Iqknb7xJIbExEugkEWkC5dS_pTSyoLsCWm4mA-n-4btnY_WCu5qnYYMLmpEGNaHDcFZHMDnYNwIKSpQBNC9SbyetnhIY5h0_NW_JA6FN7Rh3F4fuHbcf4f2fTHU-s8q5R11zLquwSaHKmM4G7X9WnkkFQeVOtQ8u7xCjlRyQC8_jUqw74I9zP108kTl00Q
Maushold
VouPIVCyqaTtvtVl7KWoBJPujjLz8uZoQZoodQ7x7LcG6ZPSzEsCjOr9rbfZBQvLAfbKb5SspSsNV-0LngQP4D7ovgI9kXidT4NCUkF5NVedDLKLA0hhWYvhlx_UIqQwLo_C7RjZOTxiKQEjgeJM7GEVnsWwFhpw_tD650oQCr90cLHBl2LVUW3g1gdfqQ
Polteageist
lkEkzTUSxRqJ7nxFkEWmaGqqn4wNKJd8ozNVwq6HT9bMkB31c_aYaXQgIu3k0-luvEjyu1iOuWtz7NPKh0pc-eO1lRnFzJfNPeAIUpL6nePE6q-S-aep8cg6eBcRHsrsZmIXVvpqR2QrO847VWkUbAnxZ4NaToExHSMBh8G4NPBmly5vX6e3HJ0I6AZf4g
Slowbro
p8qaqqu6g8td6z2hDJJe9LHEcdUx_bnn3xr99cU7Irdlx_4sNmA7xw_VSbsogtFeqOfh0Y0H89xIYazLhVix31BH-sI42HNQgK8nyW8VyscINk-bHSKAH0IdxEq31mye6TiTjoYCKw2N9RI1vU3bnGnkXCVl8X9qBZaoRoOhtF2qwgIvjMBH0voxn87OiA
Tatsugiri
9VQKauAGlJBio5miC-xbA_VanAqoirCPcFOxQ41ZwiR1J2_uLTpnQi8qAtCDocqjeM4kHFYLxdW9TwUpf859scEGH_yZ1x4Fggx7S3k9yoRtedbtHm3jJrbUdHENOJAkhADtm1dDUek1nLMIX_QMBlfEWbexnXpovLCv7xnWFh-RLWFYeWqn-xLA6OCFLA
Tsareena

B Rank
hlWBSiuoXapf4z9k0kzWWzMPOwkG-q1XD3LrcUxfeNqe9P94tqfv3ImCYwBEVJkvchaEKYxsxLZovj5nbO2xed2W6NdnA5ry5pVPFPgHuxg77rn4SCWq0an0pO4Ie2GKFZkHDtDwtYX1Nlf0uvz93vcQs9lWx6TPU-Fc2etN-fNoUldL2EE5kBCnCwJDbQ
Gardevoir
ViyMyQWJLHutkeml28vT2Fh9YUhOLtVs3XMxR3PdbSHe1sPlS5tOvVZ7LOiqKY9ajCegR9iKE3gxQFtTQtLpN81YRw23gGpzkFhVc_JMgLDtamAStVcgf59IV2UQfYq4iCyNbRUdLQcIf2MqjetctMYbhsezXoCiAPUNbHQ2uhchqgKULtkqhvYRkhPuFg
Hawlucha
D_wVkpmUhDoeTclZ8Uo02VdpFwwpEX7eJbBKL7rwsqN5HrzEyHG4Xc3jUiJ9oLXXWlClmAuAZwbeS6PkB4p9epFXES6WfHn9-i1u5SizzUn8nXxxPt9IBGUPqczS6VwbDO-m6R6dqYId2V6NQ662RCTpYLa3aGakJQ1mUYgNHhoH1VLUPbCg_igUb6oFhw
Lokix
WWnVsrko94ZgOnGoSKepnaBOESmyDcQEcwJDbmkFsv0WX7zkVDPYKOfLOc8j2PdsFXXrJaePZgsk349OWP9IFbaKFKr-bs-ZE9rcOQln-rfTKCMvKj7aSHGeg4c8wxS-VOUs9R42ENaIwaB0b7OfcWuti1roxJ227YO0LNe6cK0O8EwyH2h7zFm6HA444g
Oricorio-Sensu
9WSzz7hDtHY7_fmjG4vgaxpJrwtqwaOSDZ64sqlJ5D5UnxoHVjZvQOY3g3DtH161pxwq7Ixg8gG9VtvTW04gPKqWqJpQJVF4JsM7WeN-uW_PBFM0ufuXNcB-eJYtYYXQmGaFL8GNJAuvgWPCA3XzJXdSJpzCBFQB-7khg7WaA7CLEPh9uI1p9uXf8RYEIA
Rotom-Mow
18f0CMBeA8U42iWuIAoNpZwVX7JQNinGPNBMussqkx3zPP2SVBW04fbPhAFNwEnnc2mCu9Pk2YIqyDnC-enpgVfdUVYqoAtuIk4Ga_w_NNDMAgarAaKecjJlUQEs7zw0xEUhJ46sU35KHHt108IPiHn-hTaLkIkKYU6S-8AdJlyib8KxNj9KguNazajxFw
Tauros-Paldea-Fire
UXqe2DRn-UXb5JwOjusCSd3Z2L_b0c6_aTNjjEAO_ZE9kD9-ZNUmYeGmr_txlpSPMCk--XUT--IhlaYwH-aPENj-SSm8B-j5-WXOPx349FczI9J3vBFHO4K4R41sZ_TxJJejK4pytDM2tG0M8j_Rk6yOmnpwndFJEeL6zLOTIQpO14RQ5qgl0c0e840wiA
Tauros-Paldea-Water
1bQoPm75gqnxYBfO0VvYeeOOreMltLFrDI7FY9MFlR2KRpHnq-2pn4nf8quhE9eFP7owG9Sm92hUTm6faXyYFkrImGP4SuLe44Li6I0_k4D9BdI2mQR4608hSA-omtck5_07dm4GVhAdjeu61pSIkObd55wnuRUltwpfw4Z6Z8Hc6yue0KkzqF0Wp5l8uQ
Toxtricity

B- Rank
EfpHj2u4B8rIbDIpsvd74bv5YWzz6txvy6SesEQA05o77730w2mndklPX-gOC5J6kSSvGgKIxas9J72JpR76utt2_QGPgF53EiD4YJ-SCfHc7S9crlYxZZ3dRCdnF7ACATuB6hjNu6jdKMzOCgrpm3gPgW6wYO1yKYpI2D3rVwpLFrCPUPbBOJ2Udr3hNg
Cloyster
OleTzzcoXHpmnueQSoPmoE3MMiQS3-clqVS7fSnUKCxuFnLHWIQVsZC9FzohG_xZFebkkWvIQzqFJuC7LfWiCbGnbVHa8hQRBX9-dEPUASVPpsQMIjQZX-VIIdFSO9u5eCyhlwpcI0_4gE6GwZYakAf4MSh-zX2DBwjl-kIUwspcSTu8F-wI8idbzUlcMQ
Drednaw
6vNahv3vKEdBVoLvB95B_3xSzwAglk0D5aqC3jhaVM3AhjORce0uPe-wObm83mhESHJt-XzZpl15vIvVdA7CxxoWhqz3Ndud46gAJsS4_8mopRQDOlZgF6zhBXGj3plQbb_xt4K7IswG2QbH1hcIDCslat0UKFFOjBnZlKBZsJRUPYj9PthtRTSzcXBCAQ
Indeedee
RcfkAGbAqIH1g5p46r-OijGlN3cOq-UwN30RndQLE-wllas8ji7ftLtJZiOXWu-At8w6PKRhgREi9qV4XSBAATsB_nN9vXEQIsdNpmrcD8xy8ZtEqSYgI7rfoQaD2gtOYgbrkgNBkzytz7CddRue3FFVQ9lDhZZycCs_Vq82GJ-jgHoxGqCBjFjx2UA0Vg
Iron Thorns
c8cHya28kEV3bXnzylCtjnwk2B-B7PWgLaR556qW5ps3DzIeISs7K8MszOLhOhyluhZwYFYN8UJuyvUOpUwc56podxPsprsospjWgexMRE1VmaUODj7QwIfK-76HVW0ctKeuxgIrDQaCn_KwGFNlr0ya2OImnfTsgFUF0ahbrGU0coH7tOgv-lJ6WGOZPQ
Salazzle
324.png
Torkoal

C+ Rank
bOgPaCVMzn_Wuvna9yaGriyvusdjF7kcJqSiOnlwua3sx0lxqVlwyCujEbzswklomiD0PaFaUVGMREwbUyjSxmMpyjuSi2yfqxOb1QEWIUEU0owgCa8qZV3-FN1ngWYPZTA-KxPyc7M5SphGXEG5B02QYl5daEkxyiFMAqj4KLPN8WTz62mPOqXkofjFWA
Alomomola
LAjfFSdtdVTr05OKHurq4is9lnkD1ILCWjE3JFBrYiq887t9nLZQcaNvWlgdw5U7rU9vgJOAjTbTePQOi9YkhyKikbuPbDRA_wNvL4NHPvXQioft2FyBjNNFG3myNUh85prE92jaXAADaejMfE-Y8Sg6w-jv2gvhaq2S3oVZZB-L_lE01R7rSIFUQp1NGg
Bellibolt
3Z6J4OKVA2lMDw4lczR0QM0FagLs7i2_BehSGjqtxNaVuhWr1GE_PzTUW2hJbgfutWbWAKDHJakZZqZxAtRTReadHxu0dJpbTcqor0TQ5hrIHMsbxyk0em0GV7zOl4LVchwXoTIfJecLEE2tnHSi0m6lzhXxPZ8BQCqggpn3NiSSv1_FzCqMpO2oL13diQ
Blissey
K2PIp1kbAVHCutusdY1gDkN6YRPJeds9lCWC7zDqInIpfWi9xB9JzTwLyU8Ya5m9gVvPvBtPOGHeHoqFWXqerzVatSL61xzuMhrGyI-vHFePjVt-YIwNfShuAyp8nDnNUvk-ZmM3KmTybuZYQ-rDbg3ejjHz54FXK3Yj4pU0gOBzrfBij66yph_ncL2y6w
Espeon
-Q_UTMuu6UrA9LQCIPCroNveWuhO8r-AYY3wEEus5eTohIguzNK5GzjzJYv75_6ULzYzajUAjiGeWJV9N584Y_KQMYPQYcL1BHKcK1JewEwLeU7mHL5P8x_PyYzQKSGvmqPaWl4AhQ-LsPDByOEiz0o07hRWbsmMFyWSnfpb8suiSwOz5T_Td1o1kIdx_A
Florges
5EsNnpdWXAo1wer7S7frazR3wHPKat3j-Za2FWRDfU6YeXz1zVhPETyukGSqF-5G0Tlz6r73NArqBUloubiD5iHr5JPRC-rSfrIlEebaws5DXCkJtoHZPig2weKbl2CtBfnZ4lP3ULk4QnV7PpnhLOvujlLl6kStX-SZDXGpxKYSYIrWpvRNJRh1xgMhCA
Froslass
qWbfXReKMmHDmbEkxvRacr6MVADlvQ8Ln2SQsQfOtlZKb_bjGF9w2FPLP6AABEcDRe1NdFcb9VfXHrSUomhVNebwNBKjeVTcEgsVa_R0WMciGd8HKsax9BsqpMn1IldN1RSgl4BxrehM_In2sk-q-wWWPe3JGXzhOq6_jHgEyq56Mdp4pu3IfhJpBEDisA
Heracross
t-NKva-DyE4cJSJgcKkk8r41u_KTKIK-ctB9lw9Bgb0DqkgKwIBwURYYBXDMbFZBMvH8ZiTTNs-QJNHHIjMFpLY7QixhPt31PIwd5Wx6dcZ_xa_RzpA_wSKcEnLPy9cYpo9LaVVpcntqRa8r77LDXwU9vbnVa0oWw3mDzX9ZO5sN0sRV9hh5hHVHmZHJhA
Palossand
952.png
Scovillain
nOCEh5n2ew2c2UKYv6ESMpQccfeil1Y6_lkgeXl0MOMRHi5jKjH5zRQzk-7vOpKm7WIREPBQsQZLmmblTSJ1qKtHQpDwkXPUlPdsgOlTeHE8Xr3MSuYjc5YrXrZJLaUIQ0N2JBNGJkFLYKvhMN7_cbA8QCbvM6gsMh1YwIatLmddIZz0HdO8Em8pQ9UAow
Sylveon
O34OFSUq5_aspns9SN9aOROzEsJHNzysF_jj6Mdf0MypwAXuFwLYbmZvenof0mI2oKWm9VP3kkKwQ9xiUbcmQGmTO1UHSOY7hWZJqB5noxgZywNVGLpiQ4cw5lu_nzBlYcjoGn-SArF7wwiSzFNlqnDELowWUr0rBOG35bd_G7IGrq8C39HgTZQNY80Jiw
Toedscruel
moxugotd2DxbqyfElkpb8aYJLrtFzfpkgBLTmFU6DpWyalpgYBDw0yG43q5Xc_m8-AZzxrhflsyH8hLoZ1wVgMPglmJlR5cMeaVOWUKGmIwIl3Q5xOyeXA7RzwjarfVOqLFIT4WISmC0f6yrcCeDbVSRFhPbuwKebT3LvooH9mAfBBjDzWv0DNNfmrUJEA
Weavile

C Rank
qUbkJX2hCKKJbeioUpp53SuTAmIV0lRdOmzLWhJtWv6VXDCajgndxqDzrtlBFCRTfcCfvB9_r28Jd3sPUkgXl3HzvfL-7P5Tt9QlPYH52RLS-g8aC4tKAqlqV31ZhBNfq57iHmEjlOHrQAFAyVjy5EdL6rwE_xxB5x6Aj--5HdV3uQo84LIXHGW6zU9Zog
Altaria
gf3A7zhs0GpYjAABIEC9cTGaL7B9KKA7q80z3KbDLL17evI9god0VheMxnqkuATWpZKtS-BHY5bUCIuElCl2TITIXvwRJ4Hsddl9_-bsD4R__1Zwhw5RVSVHi6-vVbMZFQJoz1CaN7HrGbeClWqSXmflDS6DrxdcBrTXwCtHFqlZxNTaI05dsqMTpYL1Mg
Brute Bonnet
xUG8dAqFopRMkFb0b2KXVxQgntH9GZP6-vtV-cilofaG2pKE9K-5aKPaZKkSwpc61ssiYtF_nQth0nXE9grLI_AhWDitRon0DGj_P8XAgr0pvc7NgA0fnhFSyKXrkhUagWXvB81lM5JrbvlClwDIPa6OIfEw0Ly8iaxpYtX01hsEzGYdrVGUROrIdEWw0Q
Cetitan
GBvPbu7kEnMoH-KGw8p7Ptn7XF99ogLeAqVo2E61WTk83fWEH8hSw7of5ApctNoEPoB8_7PSjMG5u9Sq8SPUgV9UJ5un5JilUbkvaeoIuPh9P87ffZDZQpzp9Rd1k7sowPjg0X_WzURIbdCJr6hxnFJ17eOcD_vwEJwz3uAmhIfphualMY-sTh6R8mmdXg
Charizard
kq7ItglZHk7DZwT2ncxocte4U-1jshNLHYInOpm7ZfF61PsILHKw2AVsQgYibYZTAvDXh2WxKBlKHlFvGk5Bb4ARsgCAI4RT5owF2ayxjYlIsnstN8wfrgjfyIx4UwXMuzQZAeXbGK6oUQITD6euQJwBlJsC1XZCRk9xuuiTa11VbHt5CMCvpzO-9OsCKg
Ditto
DW5awP4U7_jwvgOSxgtG4mNYrMJXTUhMgd-gR35828J6BIL3zL864IlKaV_YnH506FAOg9K434Mg2mNkD3PoKmVoZG5DAYc4Cl74y_mvDwgP_fSZU8uE7aQFbXcfMgq6z2bh40sYsgvkhLBli3yO3ttlY6Ggv6ACqnDR755w8pNNR2d3RYiEv25vCd_DrA
Drifblim
59Pqhq9kqiecUEo1GfulO6dAA2ut7xh1jq5LUFvFU5zbrcWQdidnXm6oxELjZnpXgSXbhzGbMiNbCOzEmhuN22nzJZ6BUY0vDhNZ11mtF8p32kEHbB0S3YfVAhBfiNcYl2KbaBduVYXCzMT4UqnwQik6oqhoqnrya5yP1X6kSonCBDR5AumKwu_ppFR3YQ
Flamigo
aaOFyAJHs46tPwwtRPcddua-mtGAHc64h4ZsefFpeck2YyLk5hsGzgFeWmQ9ArnMCcVCDip4lzGNaLKcji-ZUzQajurjfkQOnRcDphS8dKhyok54totM_atUF7nILdwHWV0wQLcdvMRcF1MMU_DHIWeLX8ZU2bdlMRaJ3DjGgYgAPURInoJuqv0fQX26hg
Forretress
BhW7ka5yspyNywFt5BXvQt0bCiRb6UyHJcCVf1LuAMDodgiwCijsoNCe7GFQwkoz_PRJl0Dwa6sYL_TW35IR2ylGJem7-A8EtJgULQicc_QSIKEgpcbc-KfXN2X2KJY0F1CDuYCpQoM-7VmSIqPMe9VqboHTyqapQUTwmM3CPs0o1_yIYt2hgGri80lHPg
Frosmoth
THquUPRJ2DfSQAM8j_Xfpfn9A8_trjZN33Mn0JOItF5nzPy8_fezBIHMXc8b-FXZr59dCQM6sAMuMCGqdj04jMLQdwTswf-lNvpEtM9tq_Fr0a26APFR6LKdSA72blIi2gbPmfVmPk37vF4fRcLb8Ze7NW8P8ECKSPfGeB6KrUcmpBQuNIFFNHBkdMX7SQ
Klefki
t0EN9AKfhF_5EBU5cgys363kugNMRRgyFyHasvSZSLZzjMBTz3ZzfPVcolzbcpL8J3GxKwwT7AI2vzzAon5VqZyEd28exjOwPi0d_I3PswsfQnXeSmmxuaq3gY9vIKG2pZzgl31HXr6QUC-ukZ0hP7CxKvoNpV32WFfDtibIwAkIFRwy1HYyU3hpzMAIDw
Krookodile
SA9ZB3f5lU-4ssX98YL_LoPr7zM9pKrmG1lnHGH0jyxkTZOt0gGbkjydxJMyFnNCnKU-EfKhvzN_kEem9d-yFJfK4Rhypjp9NP4h5cYkQVv9LD-P63ErngTDvomlXnTbj1YdyO0Uu1WImQnxG7jpGCfDiDgV2zwaFdgRySVeTz5DjA0CmLLUvDYjtPQskQ
Masquerain
BqIFkEkuC2AEYGWNi7eERNInWZ96EG8iVyEDpQncdgrPgYVaslVVdGjL4L2Pf7m-B7MuOkqxFE-XMiXHEGWQb99_MqgFj18qw41jnxM4dSq12Njf969LBVuV3unq7zI-iJL8wayEHty6ew8jw6C3ipn_M_nwZc0xtZuYyWQJbGjNxr7-xa92XDxmK8eiWA
Naclstack
JwxDTFuilO1ETypq8xjgQ1qEQg3Qr3Yb9gTTuQz8iA2-eaO8PqHnt_kbd2gWfxQgNGuY9YVkfdfwRr0IGtaOvzKbQRIm6JB1JQXWBuT0H3aWkm2OCEruLTWDjTTQnpMqsFz1Pc_kKTrjg8FW4J-f34z49LXh14Z1e5PBc24JmU-pxOYBVi-aDjLcLdkw6g
Sableye
70srGh5CNULUJuKy_b6Ecv5ZvC_7HQioo7DcLE6WszFiShKt7wrVcM6br_pUSX9eshuAx_o5ojXcydhvvJIh087Ma_QBFCMh2GRZdK7Ci68yFvH0BiROZ6C-YctBY3AjmaEvMcMoxGaa0gwj7AWQ7Mn8VzNkG4ExxfmSzfDbT0mrrrWO-aNmag8-uLUdRQ
Umbreon
O59aQxaFWc5dAe4VMIcb9dLGZcys7Z5KFnDDK_c_gazxtbT3ZPF6p3_8W7O-wRMwvqGQjxNJogPJ0M0vivPchP9LrOJQSCVzwri2ygpnxsL8pDfGmXnjwOE9y3xrljRd72-55P8JAV0YU-Gc3F8jasuAj5TSijWb5KugL8-eDQXB8dkY5JrDI3PVSlHIMg
Venomoth

D Rank
98TqA8u0aKyZlz1HbFiLDEBjvpqoNrXy_ilHJA7G8aRBbkvaglnqNFXGTQ7I-tC4mDwEopYNDpQ-Y_pNSGjZu1UgAFh15U3Sv36eCRIR7ZbJOtkj4izlOT0aRHQBfNa4Ahohq7ALHVviiF-eLhjBU4-vC1DqTOAUQNYBHdt3mfS2rHnpyTC90QA_LNTOpw
Barraskewda
HuiI-_IK0W_poZU-ovUgxBBpBqHE9xf_Xf1udqm6OclxQNZUn6gqz5n3RkA4nDjPVDLcGqcn27Jcoooypim82yRApzItjKrSqgnSjWYRL24lblLeJpYw6jZpm86LsO4YadMi4vnmeoFqjPXYULEkQFq471e2DlPDDp6mdXT7cDfmSs1q7ky-GkZAEf9guA
Floatzel
Can someone explain why hax is so high in viablity yet dosent have enough usage.I mean i thought it would be a C tier mon but its actually in B+. Dosent it have competition with salamence and noivern.
 
Can someone explain why hax is so high in viablity yet dosent have enough usage.I mean i thought it would be a C tier mon but its actually in B+. Dosent it have competition with salamence and noivern.

Its speed at +1 dd is really good right now and also has the option of SD trailblaze making its set more versatile than salamence as well. With a higher attack stat it can also guarantee KO's better against bulky fairies like scream tail if needed. It also has mold breaker which ignores the popular mimikyu's disguise ability letting it kill mimi in 1 hit with iron head. It does not really compete with noivern imo as hax always wants to set up and noivern looks to either break with strong choice specs attacks or pivot with a boots and u-turn set, so they serve different roles on a team. Hope this helps!
 
Its speed at +1 dd is really good right now and also has the option of SD trailblaze making its set more versatile than salamence as well. With a higher attack stat it can also guarantee KO's better against bulky fairies like scream tail if needed. It also has mold breaker which ignores the popular mimikyu's disguise ability letting it kill mimi in 1 hit with iron head. It does not really compete with noivern imo as hax always wants to set up and noivern looks to either break with strong choice specs attacks or pivot with a boots and u-turn set, so they serve different roles on a team. Hope this helps!
Thanks dude
 
Why is Torkoal only in B-? Sun in general has been great in my experience, what with providing Protosynthesis mons great support and enabling mons like Scovillain and Zard to wreak havoc.
 
Why is Torkoal only in B-? Sun in general has been great in my experience, what with providing Protosynthesis mons great support and enabling mons like Scovillain and Zard to wreak havoc.

Generally Sun just doesn't match up well against the overall metagame because of two big factors.

1: The abusers themselves aren't broken enough to make up for how middling Torkoal is as a pokemon, nor do they make up for how much team support Torkoal and to a lesser extent some of the more dangerous abusers need. The only abuser I'd say reaches the level of something like Floatzel or Kilowattrel on Rain is Slither Wing, everything else is either strong but balanced (Armarouge, Sandy Shocks) or kinda bad (Scovillain, Charizard). That same sentiment applies to the gluemons aswell, since necessary evil mons like Espeon kinda stink.

2: It doesn't match up well against general metagame trends at the moment. I previously mentioned Slither Wing and Sandy Shocks as examples of abusers that are strong, but they're also excellent pokemon in their own right without Sun support. If your opponent has either of these two on their team they're essentially getting the same boost your own proto mons get with zero opportunity cost. This also applies to the other weather setters in the tier, mainly Hippowdon and Tyranitar, who are both common and dangerous against Sun teams. This mainly applies to Hippowdon since Torkoal can tech in Body Press or Wisp for Tyranitar.

Either way the fact that most teams are using at least one mon which either takes advantage of your own weather or cut it off completely just makes sun less overall consistent than other playstyles in the tier. Keep in mind that Torkoal is in the same tier as Indeedee, which is another flawed abuser that enables a HO playstyle. I assume that the credit is going mainly toward the better abusers here instead of the setters.


I'd also like to make some noms myself.

:alomomola::blissey: C+ ---> B-

This applies to Alomomola more than Blissey, but I still think that ranking a Stall exclusive mon a whole tier under a Sun exclusive mon doesn't make sense when Stall is a better overall playstyle than Sun imo (it's also much more proven if that matters). I get that lacking flexibility is a big downside, but Blissey is an extremely important mon on Stall and even some Semistall teams so I feel as if the VR should reflect that.

As for Alomomola, I think that atleast giving it a bit more credit for being a solid Semi-Stall and Balance mon would be fair, since personally I think that it's better and more flexible than most of the junk in C+ tier. Like comparing it 1 to 1 against a mon like Blissey, Mola is a lot more important on stall as a Pink Blob since unlike Blissey it has irreplacable utility (Wish + Regen + U-Turn sponge that checks Slither Wing).

Stall Bias who? :>
 
Last edited:
Hi, before my questions thanks for getting a VR up! As for questions how Wattrel and Pom-Pom are in B+ and A respectively? Also what puts the likes of Forretress, Krook and Weav so low?
 
I would like to make a premature nom

:tinkaton: A+ -> S-
I personally think Girlboss Lando-T should be S/S- Tier, with or without Hands this Mon is very versatile and fits on many teams, the only thing holding it back is a ground weakness, which really isn’t a flaw just a typing disadvantage. Even then, Steel/Fairy is one of the premier defensive typings in the game. With Knock, Encore, Rocks, TWave, Screens, and the best Steel move in the game, Tinkaton is an amazing utility Mon, and I think it should rise.
 
2. Serious question, I'm a bit curious as to why Brambleghast and Tatsugiri are so high.
This is generally due to the current hazard metagame being pretty favored towards the setters, but for the specifics.

Brambleghast is the spinblocker of choice as it forces Donphan to run Ice Shard to even have a chance at killing it and turns Tsareena into basically a U-Turn bot. If those two end up giving it free turns, it can just set Spikes, adding on to your hazards further. Worse Rapid Spinners like Toedscruel and Forretress fare even worse, not to mention that Brambleghast can easily spin away hazards set by those two right away. Strength Sap also means it can't easily be worn down by Tsar or Donphan because it can restore all of its health in a flash if you position it properly. It's not a bad spinner itself since it threatens opposing Brambleghasts with Shadow Ball and can 2HKO, but its main role is as a spinblocker and an hazard stacker.

I'm surprised Tatsugiri is this high, it might've been a bit of a biased vote, but that's moreso because it sees little use. From what I've heard though, it basically uses its strong STABs and high spatk to force certain mons in and force the spin off because ghosts can't come in (Regieleki in the previous gen could do something similar). It's obviously also a 120 base spatk mon with Nasty Plot and 110+ BP stabs so it can hit hard, but as far as offensive threats go, it's not a standout. It's mostly its ability to force switches and get the spin off that makes it valuable.

Hi, before my questions thanks for getting a VR up! As for questions how Wattrel and Pom-Pom are in B+ and A respectively? Also what puts the likes of Forretress, Krook and Weav so low?
Kilowattrel is a pokemon that I personally would've put higher, but I'll explain its role so you can make up your opinion on how good you think it is. While it was used on Rain before, Kilowattrel doesn't really need it to function since it just boosts the accuracy of its STABs. With it gone, it turns more into a pivot for hazard stack teams. Hurricane is a very deadly STAB, it deals a lot of damage to most specially defensive Ground types and the confusion chance can be absolutely devastating for the matchup. However, the most threatening thing about Kilowattrel is that resisting Hurricane is really not good enough to take it on. Hurricane resistances like Tyranitar and Tinkaton are pretty easy for it to just Volt Switch on and wear down through Spikes and Volt Switch damage. As such, it can actually apply a lot of pressure to certain teams as it can be hard to deal with Volt Switch+Hurricane. It can also use options like Tera Blast Grass to beat through Gastrodon and Sandy Shocks, Volt Absorb so that Shocks can't deal with it despite resisting Hurricane and being immune to Volt Switch or Competitive so it can get a massive spatk boost from defoggers, which can be great with spikestack.

Oricorio-Pom-Pom is another one I'm surprised to see this high. It tends to use a very physically bulky set with Quiver Dance and Roost which can be pretty hard to take down thanks to the defensive typing and the bulk and, once boosted up, can cleave through a good amount of teams. It can also make good use of Tera as Revelation Dance changes type with your Tera type, so it can use its Tera to go to types like Ground or Fighting to hit targets like Tinkaton or Tyranitar. It's a bit easier to show through a replay, so I'll link this one:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9uu-1776099901

Forretress is kind of infamous for being a low ladder trap. Essentially, whatever progress it may do, such as setting or removing hazards, can be easily undone because it's so passive. It's bulky, but lacks recovery and it can set and remove hazards, but doesn't have any ways of stopping the opponent from getting their own setter or remover in.

Krookodile has fallen off hard from losing Knock Off. Without it, it's generally pretty unthreatening to a lot of defensive mons. It also has trouble getting kills for Scarf Moxie sets to work and has to compete with Sandy Shocks as an offensive Ground type and hazard setter. Taunt seems like its best way to get things done in theory, but even that probably has some big issues.

Weavile would have probably been even lower if this VR had been done a little earlier funnily enough. It's currently on the rise due to a lack of good physical Ice answers. Tinkaton's tendency to be specially defensive means it can only properly switch-in once. Choice Band Icicle Crash rounded off with Night Slash for the slowtwins and Low Kick for Steel types can threaten a lot, and it's fast enough to force out even stuff like Noivern. It also has Ice Shard which can be great utility. It does have its fair share of weaknesses though, Talonflame is faster and can burn it, the Tauroses are extremely tough for it to deal with and its Rock weakness can be hard to deal with. I'd say its VR placement is a bit unfair currently, but I'd say it's on the rise.
 
This is generally due to the current hazard metagame being pretty favored towards the setters, but for the specifics.

Brambleghast is the spinblocker of choice as it forces Donphan to run Ice Shard to even have a chance at killing it and turns Tsareena into basically a U-Turn bot. If those two end up giving it free turns, it can just set Spikes, adding on to your hazards further. Worse Rapid Spinners like Toedscruel and Forretress fare even worse, not to mention that Brambleghast can easily spin away hazards set by those two right away. Strength Sap also means it can't easily be worn down by Tsar or Donphan because it can restore all of its health in a flash if you position it properly. It's not a bad spinner itself since it threatens opposing Brambleghasts with Shadow Ball and can 2HKO, but its main role is as a spinblocker and an hazard stacker.

I'm surprised Tatsugiri is this high, it might've been a bit of a biased vote, but that's moreso because it sees little use. From what I've heard though, it basically uses its strong STABs and high spatk to force certain mons in and force the spin off because ghosts can't come in (Regieleki in the previous gen could do something similar). It's obviously also a 120 base spatk mon with Nasty Plot and 110+ BP stabs so it can hit hard, but as far as offensive threats go, it's not a standout. It's mostly its ability to force switches and get the spin off that makes it valuable.


Kilowattrel is a pokemon that I personally would've put higher, but I'll explain its role so you can make up your opinion on how good you think it is. While it was used on Rain before, Kilowattrel doesn't really need it to function since it just boosts the accuracy of its STABs. With it gone, it turns more into a pivot for hazard stack teams. Hurricane is a very deadly STAB, it deals a lot of damage to most specially defensive Ground types and the confusion chance can be absolutely devastating for the matchup. However, the most threatening thing about Kilowattrel is that resisting Hurricane is really not good enough to take it on. Hurricane resistances like Tyranitar and Tinkaton are pretty easy for it to just Volt Switch on and wear down through Spikes and Volt Switch damage. As such, it can actually apply a lot of pressure to certain teams as it can be hard to deal with Volt Switch+Hurricane. It can also use options like Tera Blast Grass to beat through Gastrodon and Sandy Shocks, Volt Absorb so that Shocks can't deal with it despite resisting Hurricane and being immune to Volt Switch or Competitive so it can get a massive spatk boost from defoggers, which can be great with spikestack.

Oricorio-Pom-Pom is another one I'm surprised to see this high. It tends to use a very physically bulky set with Quiver Dance and Roost which can be pretty hard to take down thanks to the defensive typing and the bulk and, once boosted up, can cleave through a good amount of teams. It can also make good use of Tera as Revelation Dance changes type with your Tera type, so it can use its Tera to go to types like Ground or Fighting to hit targets like Tinkaton or Tyranitar. It's a bit easier to show through a replay, so I'll link this one:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9uu-1776099901

Forretress is kind of infamous for being a low ladder trap. Essentially, whatever progress it may do, such as setting or removing hazards, can be easily undone because it's so passive. It's bulky, but lacks recovery and it can set and remove hazards, but doesn't have any ways of stopping the opponent from getting their own setter or remover in.

Krookodile has fallen off hard from losing Knock Off. Without it, it's generally pretty unthreatening to a lot of defensive mons. It also has trouble getting kills for Scarf Moxie sets to work and has to compete with Sandy Shocks as an offensive Ground type and hazard setter. Taunt seems like its best way to get things done in theory, but even that probably has some big issues.

Weavile would have probably been even lower if this VR had been done a little earlier funnily enough. It's currently on the rise due to a lack of good physical Ice answers. Tinkaton's tendency to be specially defensive means it can only properly switch-in once. Choice Band Icicle Crash rounded off with Night Slash for the slowtwins and Low Kick for Steel types can threaten a lot, and it's fast enough to force out even stuff like Noivern. It also has Ice Shard which can be great utility. It does have its fair share of weaknesses though, Talonflame is faster and can burn it, the Tauroses are extremely tough for it to deal with and its Rock weakness can be hard to deal with. I'd say its VR placement is a bit unfair currently, but I'd say it's on the rise.
Ok cheers mate
 
:sv/Leafeon:

Nomming Leafeon from UR -> B-, it's a better sun sweeper than Scovillain as it can boost with SD and has more opportunities to do so since it has considerable physical bulk to go with its higher Att stat. With Tera Fire it can sweep entire teams for the most part and not worry about Talon burn as well as resisting First Impression. You don't even need Solar Blade (rip in P) since Leaf Blade already does enough damage to what you're hitting after +2 and you can keep using it with Sun down. Here's a replay from UU Masters of me using it:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9uu-1797328759-vqqigoia0z0lx1zwj9nhdmutwhkisu9pw

Some calcs:

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tera Fire Leafeon Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 257-303 (98.4 - 116%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Tera Fire Leafeon Tera Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tinkaton: 374-445 (100 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tera Fire Leafeon Double-Edge vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Talonflame: 396-467 (110.3 - 130%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tera Fire Leafeon Tera Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tablets of Ruin Wo-Chien: 328-385 (87.7 - 102.9%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

It's not the bee's knees or anything but if we're ranking Scovillain up there as a Sun sweeper then Leafeon deserves to be on there as well. It's also faster than Scovillain and won't get outsped by any +1s or Scarves even while Adamant.
 
1. Idk if you all are experiencing this but why are the images broken [as in some work fine, others for mons like Gengar and Tinkaton fail to show up]
2. Serious question, I'm a bit curious as to why Brambleghast and Tatsugiri are so high.
Brambleghast is a great utility mon , compressing a lot of roles in one slot. It's a spinner that also acts as a spinblocker which is a good niche (not to mention it can lay spikes as well) and its immunity to fighting give it a lot of opportunities to get consistent spins off. It has good longevity thanks to strength sap and has further utility in shadow sneak being able to pick off Polteageist and Armarouge. A strong Power Whip helps vs Slowking and Donphan and Colbur softens dark moves like Donphan's knock. Wind Rider can help it stave off choice Iron Jugs and Noivern locked into Hurricane and generally make them more prediction reliant. Also basically completely cucks Tsareena who's forced into U Turning throughout as it will achieve nothing else vs it. Tatsugiri with Nasty Plot and Draco is a dangerous wallbreaker, but it can utilize it's capability to force switches with Rapid Spin.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top