252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Scale Shot (5 Hits) vs 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 240-290 (47.6 - 57.5%) -- approx. 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Koraidon @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Tera Type: Fire / Fairy / Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Scale Shot
- Low Kick
- Flare Blitz
nobody has posted about this yet and i feel like we need to talk about kora. in the latest DLC it got scale shot, which honestly pushes it over the edge.
before, koraidon's checks used to be stuff like hooh, fairyceus and certain zygarde tera types. all of these could be broken in some way but by compromising something else: running outrage to kill hooh made you very exploitable after and dragonium meant no tera, which in turn meant you couldn't rely on flame charge to break fairy, leaving you with either another wall or making you easy to revenge kill by forgoing flame charge for flare blitz. if you ran sd + flame charge without dragonium hooh would check you pretty well (not a surefire check with lo but still pretty good), while choice sets were prediction reliant and easy to abuse by something like xern.
now with scale shot though, hooh is actually not an issue anymore. a 4-hit scale shot almost kills hooh, while a 5-hit is a guaranteed OHKO. what's more, kora doesn't really need the extra power from life orb, letting you run dice to smack hooh more consistently. what's more, you beat your #1 check AND boost your speed at the same time, meaning it's now impossible to revenge kill you without either priority or a scarf kora speed tie.
running scale shot as a speed boosting move also lets you have the freedom to run flare blitz, which turns fairyceus from a check to something that has to stay at full HP the entire match and watch out for hazards constantly:
+2 252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 204+ Def Arceus-Fairy in Sun: 354-417 (79.9 - 94.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
switching once into spikes is already a roll. switching twice means it kills you, and with two layers of spikes it's a 75% chance to ko without previous chip.
+2 252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 208 HP / 244+ Def Zygarde: 340-402 (83.1 - 98.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
what else checks it? dondozo? that's a dumb ass mon
provided spikes are up, zygarde needs to have to correct tera typing AND predict it correctly to be a check: if you don't tera fairy, either low kick or scale can kill you, while if it teras and you get flareblitzed it's gg.
it has quite some versatility in terms of tera types too, tera fire lets you outright nuke fairies while avoiding random burns, ghost (maybe steel too) lets you crap on ekiller and fairy avoids facing scarf kora speed ties. normal might be useful for marshadow too ig.
basically scale shot pushed a borderline banworthy mon over the edge, having no reliable checks nor revenge killers in one single set and requiring a great deal of prediction and avoiding chip just to not get 6-0ed. thanks for coming to my TED talk
it never was... low kick hits it real hard. Also bro must be a masochist running that lorb scale shot LOL.252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Scale Shot (5 Hits) vs 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 240-290 (47.6 - 57.5%) -- approx. 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Dondozo isn't even a reliable switch in sometimes.
koraidon wont get banned. it is manageble, and is countered by the best pokemon in the tier. that might just be my experience as a user of prankster t-wave though.So when Koraidon gets banned, if it will, does anybody have any good scarf-absuing pokemon? I've been thinking about scarf Xerneas and Galarian-Darmanitan but I was wondering if there was anything else of note?
koraidon isn't countered by anything (bar from shit like tapu fini but we known that isn't a very viable mon). have you ever played with/against sd scale kora?koraidon wont get banned. it is manageble, and is countered by the best pokemon in the tier. that might just be my experience as a user of prankster t-wave though.
that being said, kyogre used to be great with scarf, maybe you could find luck with that.
again, my bias comes from my usage of murkrow, which shuts down any and all non dark or ground type speed sweepers.koraidon isn't countered by anything (bar from shit like tapu fini but we known that isn't a very viable mon). have you ever played with/against sd scale kora?
I’m really not sure what you mean with manageable. “Countered by the best pokemon in the tier” is just not true at all. Pdon is not a reliable koraidon check what so ever. Low kick hits for 120 bp stab vs it, and you’re either getting 2hkod if you’re offensive, or deal way too little damage. Even ho-oh, which used to be a manageable check pre dlc, now folds to it without koraidon needing to use a niche set (lorb sd, sd dragon z etc)koraidon wont get banned. it is manageble, and is countered by the best pokemon in the tier. that might just be my experience as a user of prankster t-wave though.
that being said, kyogre used to be great with scarf, maybe you could find luck with that.
"koraidon is outdamaged" so what, it wins the 1v1 even unboosted because it outruns and kora kills most pdon sets at +2 with low kick, with even defensive falling to the most minimal chip or spikesagain, my bias comes from my usage of murkrow, which shuts down any and all non dark or ground type speed sweepers.
also, i forgot about scale shot.
252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fighting Koraidon Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Groudon-Primal: 260-308 (76.2 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
a max invested koraidon can barely even ohko an uninvested p-don with rocks in.
252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fighting Koraidon Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 240 HP / 216+ Def Groudon-Primal: 206-244 (51.3 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
against my actual groudon set, koraidon is out-damaged by groudon. and thats with tera.
¨but precipice blades can miss¨
if your that worried about koraidon, just run dragon claw.
murkrow
in the best possible scenario, where it has a +attack nature and is terad, and p-don dosent hav a status move, yes it does. unless it manages to get a swords dance off, in which case it still cant even ohko it withuot tera or rocks, so unless koraidon got that boost without taking damage, it will get ko-d. and even then, unless it managed to get off both scale shot and swords dance, that leaves it vulnerable to being revenge killed. and even if it does, you better pray that the opponent dosent have any sort of priority move, or a sash."koraidon is outdamaged" so what, it wins the 1v1 even unboosted because it outruns and kora kills most pdon sets at +2 with low kick, with even defensive falling to the most minimal chip or spikes
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uh, something isn't a check if it dies after a swords dancein the best possible scenario, where it has a +attack nature and is terad, and p-don dosent hav a status move, yes it does. unless it manages to get a swords dance off, in which case it still cant even ohko it withuot tera or rocks, so unless koraidon got that boost without taking damage, it will get ko-d. and even then, unless it managed to get off both scale shot and swords dance, that leaves it vulnerable to being revenge killed. and even if it does, you better pray that the opponent dosent have any sort of priority move, or a sash.
i will admit, it isnt as much of a counter as i first thoughtuh, something isn't a check if it dies after a swords dance
+2 252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 56+ Def Groudon-Primal: 312-367 (77.2 - 90.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
the most defensive pdon dies to jolly teraless +2 koraidon after spikes if it gets the slightest amount of chip, which it's pdon, it will get chipped throughout the game. pdon isn't a kora check in any way, shape or form. enough said.
oh yeah and kora can tera to take prio and sash is a mostly unviable item outside of hazard leads that is deleted by scale shot
hazards are very common, what?i will admit, it isnt as much of a counter as i first thought
that being said, it absolutely is a check, and hazzards arent that common in this format. if a check stops working if the checked pokemon gets off a boosting move that the pokemon, who isnt defensive, has to take an attack for, and if hazard are in play in a format that dosent see that much hazards, it is still a check.
about the sash, i once again forgot about scale shot.
I'm really regretting jumping into the fray given your earlier comments. They give off the impression that you've either never played the tier or get your rocks off being a contrarian. is the easiest mon in the tier bar none to chip down due to its complete lack of recovery, weakness to every hazard, and needing to defensively answer a plethora of threats. It is at best an incredibly soft check to choiced or non boostedin the best possible scenario, where it has a +attack nature and is terad, and p-don dosent hav a status move, yes it does. unless it manages to get a swords dance off, in which case it still cant even ohko it withuot tera or rocks, so unless koraidon got that boost without taking damage, it will get ko-d. and even then, unless it managed to get off both scale shot and swords dance, that leaves it vulnerable to being revenge killed. and even if it does, you better pray that the opponent dosent have any sort of priority move, or a sash.
i not only play the tier, but i was once ranked 60th.I'm really regretting jumping into the fray given your earlier comments. They give off the impression that you've either never played the tier or get your rocks off being a contrarian. is the easiest mon in the tier bar none to chip down due to its complete lack of recovery, weakness to every hazard, and needing to defensively answer a plethora of threats. It is at best an incredibly soft check to choiced or non boosted View attachment 555715. Not being able to instantly one shot is hardly an argument against something being broken. Ironically it is probably about the same number of mons that can actually check .
scares out a ton of mons which makes it incredibly easy to nab that +2 at which point it can likely finish off the game unless you have one of the literally less than a handful of mons that can hard check / counter it (mainly View attachment 555709 or ). A fully healthy used to be able to check it until dlc gave it scale shot instead of flame charge.
There are some mons that can revenge , but not due to sashes , which are unviable outside of the lead slot (sashshadow is unviable shoutout @ANinjaDude), but priority. and View attachment 555712 can revenge it after a bit of chip whilst and can revenge it from a little under half health. This also doesn't get into or which are still extremely good.
Nobody runs Adamant Koraidon dude. Most of your takes are complete out of touch with the meta. Not sure what your point with Murkrow is either, this isn't VGCagain, my bias comes from my usage of murkrow, which shuts down any and all non dark or ground type speed sweepers.
also, i forgot about scale shot.
252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fighting Koraidon Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Groudon-Primal: 260-308 (76.2 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
a max invested koraidon can barely even ohko an uninvested p-don with rocks in.
252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fighting Koraidon Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 240 HP / 216+ Def Groudon-Primal: 206-244 (51.3 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
52 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Fighting Koraidon: 198-234 (58 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
against my actual groudon set, koraidon is out-damaged by groudon. and thats with tera.
¨but precipice blades can miss¨
if your that worried about koraidon, just run dragon claw.
the point is that no-one runs adamant, and even that wouldnt be enough. also, my point was with prankster pokemon in general, i just happen to use murkrow for reasons.Nobody runs Adamant Koraidon dude. Most of your takes are complete out of touch with the meta. Not sure what your point with Murkrow is either, this isn't VGC
Pulse does not get shut down by but protosynthesis does. If you're using to check you're already likely in a pretty bad spot.doesn't Orichalcum Pulse get shut down by Harsh Sun? same way as protosynthesis
What does Lunala even do here?https://pokepast.es/e531d05667cd40ef
Anyone got any tips for this team, Im hoping it gets better once/if Koraidon gets banned, but I also struggle with Extreme killer and some bulky Arceus forms. I feel like I get set-up on too easily but im not sure what to change.
Yeah your right, I updated it, Lunala is less passive now, also I know tapu Lele is weird but its kinda been working for me, somewhat fast taunt and aromatherapy, plus psychic terrain to boost Mewtwo Y and shut down opposing priorityWhat does Lunala even do here?